Cubs Tejada Trade On The Table

An emailer reports that the Cubs are awaiting word from the Orioles on this offer:

Cubs get:

Miguel Tejada, Erik Bedard

Orioles get:

Mark Prior, Rich Hill, Corey Patterson

This proposal is on the table.  The report comes from Bruce Levine on ESPN Radio 1000. 

The pros and cons of this deal have been debated endlessly on this site.  To restate my opinion: this move works as a "win now" move.  The Cubs would add something like seven wins, so they'd need some additional upgrades or players outplaying projections to be favored as the division winner.  A couple of options I like:

Platoon Jacque Jones with Matt Murton and acquire a slugging left fielder.  Cliff Floyd would only become available if the Mets acquire Manny Ramirez.  While the Cubs aren't thrilled with Luis Gonzalez, he's still a top ten LF and could push them over the top.

Trade for Jeff Kent.  He's one of the five best second basemen, and I'm firmly in the camp that Ronny Cedeno will not be a Major League success.  Kent's obviously a force in the Dodgers' lineup, but the Cubs could come on strong and top the Mets' weak offer.  The Dodgers may want to get some young players in return before Kent's contract is up.  Just a thought.

Comments

[JMan]

Jeff Kent would go against Hendry's desire for guys who "can catch the ball."

[RumorMonger]

Good point...I guess the suggested moves are more what I think the Cubs need to do rather than what they will do. Most likely they stand pat if they get Tejada.

[lennywebster42]

Who the heck would play shortstop for the O's?

[RumorMonger]

I'm guessing they make a low level signing of a guy like Alex Gonzalez. Or, Brian Roberts can play short and they can find a 2B (Todd Walker?)

[No Head Cases, Please]

RumorMonger:

I too am afraid that a Tejada acquisition marks the end of Hendry's postseason; which would be less than enough for me, as the Cubs clearly need one more bat. I have been saying all along that Murton and Jones platooning would be a great idea, allowing Dusty the comfort of having to start only one rookie dude (Cedeno), while working Murton in with Jones to allow a steady progression from Matt. I think it's a win-win scenario to acquire one more quality OF, with a real hope that a Huff-type might be in Cubbie blue (since it looks like an Abreu type would be out-of-the-question).

I like the above trade, though I don't think Baltimore will take it. I would really love to see MVP-candidate Tejada and Bedard for Prior and Kkorey and Hill. I hate letting Prior go, one of my favorite Cubs; but by my measure it looks like a net gain (age, ability, contract length, etc.) with both Tejada and Bedard (who I think will do quite well here if he comes).

One question RumorMonger:

What is the asking price of Huff? It is a dead deal, or is there any chance of acquiring him and using the platoon you spoke of? I never really got a fix on what exactly Tampa's GM (who is about to get nothing for all his talent at the end of this year) was asking for, exactly.

Love the site; keep up the great work!!!

[BStander]

Why would the Orioles make this trade???

Trading a Top 5 offensive player who PLAYS EVERYDAY for a pitcher who pitches once or twice a week.

Giving Bedard is also wacky!!!

[RumorMonger]

C'mon now, the old "pitchers throw every 5 days and Tejada plays every day" argument is weak. Good, young starting pitching with ace potential is impossible to find.

I haven't heard anything on Huff in quite a while. I have a hunch the Rays were asking for Pie. But that's just speculation. I'd definitely get a bat over another starter.

[Eric]

Cliff Floyd would only become available if the Mets acquire Manny Ramirez.

Damn straight. Not sure what the Cubs have that the Mets would want. Our needs are bullpen and second base.

*coughs* Felix Pie *coughs*

;)

[RumorMonger]

The Cubs have Todd Walker, but if they're using Pie elsewhere I don't know if they could pull off a Walker + prospect scenario without being topped by another offer.

[Eric]

The Cubs have Todd Walker

Not unless you are taking Kaz Matsui back and we are getting another prospect. The Mets have considerable depth at the position in the minors.

I think Minaya would probably avoid trading Cliff within the NL unless he was getting an ACE reliever (Dempster) or a top prospect back.

It's funny, but many of the fans over at Metsgeek, including myself, consider him a better player than Manny Ramirez. It would piss off many of us to see Cliff go.

[RumorMonger]

Floyd IS better than Manny. Look at 2005 WARP for example. Manny's fielding really hurts his value.

[Bstander]

Tejada over Prior anyday!!!

If the cubs really want Tejada they would offer Pie in the deal and take R Lopez instead of Erik Bedard

[Eric]

Floyd IS better than Manny. Look at 2005 WARP for example. Manny's fielding really hurts his value.

I don't think many fans outside NYC understand how good he was defensively. If you watched him all year I think you would agree he was Gold Glove caliber.

Besides being a great quote and terrific personality, Cliff only makes 6.5M in his walk year. He was also born in Chicago, so his limited no-trade isn't an obstacle.

[cubfan]

I am just wondering what did Bruce levine say in the 11:00 update? I didn't hear it....

[No Head Cases, Please]

I'm not sure about Floyd; health issues are REALLY a concern with him. Still, I'm anxious for any upgrade over Jacques Jones.

I wonder what Hendry could offer for Huff, if Pie is unacceptable.....?

[BStander]

Prior isnt even the O's first choice. They would rather have Zambrono. This deal will not happen unless the cubs send the whole boat over to baltimore

[cubfan]

I was just wondering what did Bruce levine say in the update???

[RumorMonger]

You know, Levine hasn't come on as promised. Not sure if the emailer was wrong or something held him up. They've just been tossing around silly trade ideas (one guy thought the Cubs could toss the D'Backs some prospects for Brandon Webb).

[RumorMonger]

I think Pie would get the Cubs Huff for sure, but I'm not sure if the Cubs would pull the trigger.

[Eric]

I think Pie would get the Cubs Huff for sure

D-Rays asked for DAVID WRIGHT when the Mets asked for Julio Lugo.

Just avoid dealing with them at all costs. They will ask for Pie and your Top Pitching prospect for Huff. I'd even be willing to wager it!

[No Head Cases, Please]

---"D-Rays asked for DAVID WRIGHT when the Mets asked for Julio Lugo."---

Wow! That's a lot to ask for a guy who's not even on your team!

LOL ;-)

[No Head Cases, Please]

Sorry...wrong board on that last post....stupid 56K modem delays make me screw-up sometimes...!

[Eric]

That's a lot to ask for a guy who's not even on your team!

HAHAHA! Yes. That's terribly funny. What's even funnier is that we traded a flamethrowing 20 yo lefty for Victor Zambrano.

[Cubs]

I hope this deal go through.

I would like to see this move if they also go after a guy like josh fogg or trade for another "good" starter that is already proven.

[No Head Cases, Please]

D'Rays need to come down just a tad on asking price, methinks.

Their first clue should be when everyone drops out of the race for their players and starts signing Jacques Jones, et al.

Do they think they're going to get David Wright or Felix Pie at the trade deadline, for a player(s) whose contract will be up in some 90 days, if they can't get those players for a full season with Huff and/or Lugo?

I think this guy should be looking for a new job. He's about to spend a sceond year getting nothing for his about-to-depart talent while fielding a cellar-dwellar. He may genuinely get nothing for Lugo, Huff, et al, when all is said and done.

He could get a load of talent, lower payroll, and acquire a decent chunk of cash if he didn't want Babe Ruth and Cy Young for Lugo and Huff. I just don't get their asking prices.....

Maybe it's just me. I'm just a baseball layman who thinks that David Wright and Felix Pie aren't coming to Tampa for Lugo or Huff. But then, Tampa seems to think so. Perhaps they can get Dontelle Willis from the Marlins for Joey Gathright (sarcasm intended).

[Eric]

But then, Tampa seems to think so.

Blame it on Jim Duquette. If he said no to the Kazmir deal, we would all be better off. Now, Tampa brass asks for a team's first born in every trade proposal.

[Bstander]

New Trade Rumor.

3 Way

O's Get:
Prior/Zambrano
Ronny Cedeno
Zito

A's Get:
Pie
Bedard
Finch

Cubs Get:
Tejada
Fiorintino
Rouse

Still pretty one sided...

[canine]

Dumb, dumb, dumb. I'd rather see Hendry go after another big left handed bat (Cliff Floyd?), platoon Jacque Jones/Matt Murton, try Cedeno/Perez at shortstop and Walker/Hairston at second.

I wouldn't want to give up Prior just yet. With a somewhat big season and considering the rumors he wouldn't stay after free agency, there's much more to gain later than an aging right handed SS right now.

[Mark Hawkins]

You waste your time posting information like this. There is not a snowball's chance in hell that the Orioles would accept this deal. Patterson and Hill have no value to the Orioles. Nice try, Cubs Fanatic!

[RumorMonger]

Er, the info came from ESPN and Bruce Levine. Nice try, weird guy!

[dan]

it sounds lame, but i have a very dear friend who is dating a member of the orioles upper management, and while he and she havent confirm those exact logistics of the deal, the oriole are considering it.

dont ask me for names, take it or leave it.

[RumorMonger]

Dan, while many people won't buy what you say, I do. In my rumormongering experience, those with a reasonable story behind their info with nothing to gain are very often on the level. Example: NY barber who knows Dotel.

[lennywebster42]

Bstander, do you have a source?

[O's fan]

Trading Bedard and Mig for Prior and some throw ins is ludicrous. If this is the Cubs offer it'll be DOA.

[Eddie, Os]

Cedeno is really just a tweener. Once he hits the majors he'll fall the way many middle infield prospects do. He's not a Brandon Wood.

There is no way the Os would accept this offer. The Cubs are asking for their a Garland clone and their best position player for Prior (an injury risk with a wonky elbow) and fringe players. Hill doesn't have the control he should have at age 25. And Paterson is just Paterson. He spent some time in AAA last year because of his hitting. Need I say more? Both players are a few years away from arb to play themselves out of baseball.

[dan]

thanks, man.

[RumorMonger]

Bedard is not a Garland clone in any way. They throw with opposite hands, Garland's durable and Bedard isn't, and Bedard strikes people out and Garland doesn't.

[Eddie, Os]

well, if you wanna get technical about it sure, they are nothing alike. I just meant they look similar. sheesh ;)

[Eddie, Os]

The point is, Bedard is a pretty good pitcher who has endurance questions around him but he has a lot of his value being suppressed by the Os iffy bullpen and lack of run support. He has always shown good control since the minors. I just don't think Hill-Paterson is equal value.

[lennywebster42]

Can someone give some analysis of Rich Hill?

[Jonathan]

Bedard is a good pitcher. He was pitching like a Cy Young candidate the first half of '05. Cubbies fans wouldn't realize what kind of pitcher he really is since he's in the AL. I could see the guy become the Oriole's Ace and/or an All-Star in '06 if he solves his endurance issues. There's a reason why every GM in discussing trade with the Os that Bedard is one of the first names to come up. He's a breakout year away from making your average fan know who he is. The Os would be silly to let him go for Hill and Paterson.

[dan]

from a perspective note, this rumor, along with a number of credible sources, has been flying hard and constant for a couple of weeks now. i don't find it outrageous at all.

some people can say they wish this won't happen, and some can say it surely will. but the fact of the matter is, this is being considered, otherwise it wouldnt go on so long, and a lot of credible sources would keep their mouth shut. seperate fact and going on's from just wishful thinking.

[BSMemorial]

Any word about the Sox jumping back in the mix here with Manny? Would Angelos prefer getting Ramirez (healthy) and passing Prior on to Boston?

[Jonathan]

Hill is 25 years old. He has been somewhat blocked by better prospects in a loaded pitching rich system of the Cubs of the last few years. He has posted great K/9 rates at every level but with less than acceptable control, and always too behind on the age/level ratio. His curveball is a great 12-6 offering that is an "out" pitch, and, since he's not a hard-thrower he would resemble a Zito-like pitcher with less control. He could become a lefty specialist on the strength of the curve alone but the control is a big problem.

[CubFanNC]

Rich Hill has a big-time curveball, about a 90mph fastball. His problems are that he struggles with his control, and he doesn't yet have a third reliable pitch to make his mediocre fastball worthwhile.

I limited action, Hill showed he could strike out big league hitters, but had varied success (a couple of strong outings, surrounding by some terrible outings). If he can find his control and develop a good changeup, he has the appearance of a poor-man's Zito.

The major knock on Hill is his age. He's 26. If he were 22-23, he'd be a really hot prospect.

[RumorMonger]

The O's don't want Manny whatsoever.

[lennywebster42]

On the contrary, I think that the O's would be happy to get Manny, but do not wish to improve the Red Sox in the process. The quotes I have seen from O's officials have basically said "we would love to, but it would be almost impossible."

[Jonathan]

Every rumour I hear about the Cubs involves them moving their baggage. Paterson? Hill? Come on. The Cubs have the bullets but they're just holding them back. Prior is a good (VERY GOOD) start but there is enough injury concerns to keep the Os from pulling the trigger. Think about it. He hasn't pitched 30 starts in 4 years. He has recurring issues with that elbow amid whispers of TJ. It could be that he's fine if managed well, but it sounds like the Cubs are trying to unload another piece of baggage here too.

In the worst case scenario for the Os, this is a trade bust of historic proportions. All it would take is for Prior to go under the knife and lose him to FA soon after he recovers.

[Gleebo]

So the way im seeing this the deal breaks down as this.

Prior for Tejada

and

Korey Patterson and Rich Hill for Erik Bedard

Does anyone think the two teams would consider just pulling off the Bedard for Hill/Patterson part of the deal?

[dan]

some people dont think hill and patterson are baggage. some of those people are gm's. so... hm.

[lennywebster42]

Definitely not -- I am fairly certain that the O's will not move Bedard unless they get a pitcher with ML experience in return.

[Jonathan]

The Os turned down a Hudson-prospects for Bedard-prospects deal before last year so it's hard to imagine them pulling the trigger on a deal for Hill-Paterson when Bedard has shown something last year and is a year closer. Then again, the reason why they turned it down was because Beane wouldn't gve them a window to negotiate an extension with Hudson.

[Jonathan]

In the earlier mentioned deal that didn't happen, needless to say, the As prospects were throw-ins and the Os prospects were top prospects.

[Paul]

This is (I can't believe I'm saying this) a good move for the Cubs if it's just a begining of a few others...

Trade 1: Hill, CPatt, & Prior for Tejada & Bedard

Trade 2: Cedeno for Vidro (Nat's need a decent SS)

Trade 3: Pie & Guzman for Zito

Sign Brynes to platoon with Jones

[CubFanNC]

Historically, though, Hendry's trades have involved Cubs' baggage, and not key pieces. I'm sure Pirates fans weren't ecstatic about getting garbage for Ramirez and Lofton in 2003. I'm sure Marlins fans weren't happy about getting Choi for Derrek Lee. I'm sure Dodgers fans weren't happy about getting Todd Hundley for even a bag of baseballs.

The bottom line is that this offer can be viewed as reasonable or unreasonable from either side:

From the Cubs' perspective, they could be giving up a Cy Young candidate, a #3-5 starter, and a 30-30 candidate for a very productive SS (OPS .850-.900) and an injury-prone #2-4 starter.

From the O's perspective, they are trading their cleanup hitter ("the top SS") and a #2 starter for an ace with a huge injury risk, an aging prospect, and a 4th outfielder with no plate discipline.

It's pointless to argue about it, because so much of the deal depends on risk (injury risk for Prior and Bedard, and the risk that Patterson regains/doesn't regain his 2003 or 2004 form). Since there is no crystal ball, there's no way to see if it's a fair deal or a steal from either side.

[Kevin]

Bedard is a decent starter, but everyone is pointing to his other-worldly first half stats. He had a 2.09 ERA, 1.05 WHIP. Those #s are completely unsustainable as they were supported by a lucky hit rate of 28% and a VERY lucky strand rate of 82%. He was similarly unlucky in the 2nd half. But don't expect him to reproduce those 1st half #s ever again.

All that said, he's a decent #3 starter, in my opinion. And he's young enough to still get better. I'd expect an ERA under 4, but he's not an ace.

[RumorMonger]

Kevin's Bedard assessment is spot-on, I think.

[Paul]

The trade would give you..

Line-Up:
Pierre - CF
Vidro - 2B
Lee - 1B
Tejada - SS
Ramirez - 3B
Jones/ Brynes - RF
Barrett - C
Murton - LF

Rotation:
Zambrano
Wood
Zito
Maddux
Williams/ Guzman/ Rusch

Not a bad team...

[lennywebster42]

I think that you would be hard-pressed to find someone who would rather build a team around Prior than Tejada.

The O's are losing the best player in the deal. I think if everyone here were being honest and thinking about who they would pick if they were building a team, they would acknowledge:

Tejada > Prior
Bedard > Hill + CPat

[Paul]

ooppss gotta drop Bedard into rotation...

Zambrano
Wood
Zito
Bedard
Maddux

[CubFanNC]

Historically, though, Hendry's trades have involved Cubs' baggage, and not key pieces. I'm sure Pirates fans weren't ecstatic about getting garbage for Ramirez and Lofton in 2003. I'm sure Marlins fans weren't happy about getting Choi for Derrek Lee. I'm sure Dodgers fans weren't happy about getting Todd Hundley for even a bag of baseballs.

The bottom line is that this offer can be viewed as reasonable or unreasonable from either side:

From the Cubs' perspective, they could be giving up a Cy Young candidate, a #3-5 starter, and a 30-30 candidate for a very productive SS (OPS .850-.900) and an injury-prone #2-4 starter.

From the O's perspective, they are trading their cleanup hitter ("the top SS") and a #2 starter for an ace with a huge injury risk, an aging prospect, and a 4th outfielder with no plate discipline.

It's pointless to argue about it, because so much of the deal depends on risk (injury risk for Prior and Bedard, and the risk that Patterson regains/doesn't regain his 2003 or 2004 form). Since there is no crystal ball, there's no way to see if it's a fair deal or a steal from either side.

[Jonathan]

but wouldn't Bedard get flipped to the As?

[Gleebo]

I figured that Patterson and Hill were just throw ins to tip the scales and make the Orioles pull the trigger.

I just wonder what we are gonna do with Korey if we can't deal him in this trade.

Can we get anything more valuable than a bag of magic beans and a Kevin Stocker rookie card?

[cubspride]

an emailer reports...very specific hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[DrunkCubFans]

No way this trade goes down. Prior has elbow problems, Hill is too old for a "can't miss" prospect and Patterson is a waste of space (plus he is guaranteed almost 2 mil due to Hendry offering arbitration. Listen, this is very, very simple. The Cubs blew this offseason by failing to sign Furcal. Now they are playing catchup. Cubs Fans are now "hoping" that someone will rescue them. If they (Cub Fans) want to be taken seriously, they will stand up and complain about this management group and stop "hoping". Enough is enough. Grow a set and join us all in real world.

P.S. If you want to land Tejada, send Zambrano. Until then, do like the shirt says: "Shut up and drink your beer!"

[RumorMonger]

Nah dude...Bruce Levine definitely said that stuff. I only mentioned the emailer because I didn't hear the initial radio report. I turned it on and heard the exact same stuff the emailer said, repeated ad nauseum.

[Jonathan]

I think CPat is a year or two away from getting pushed or released, esp. as Pie plays his way into the picture. If he posts anymore years like last year's, he's a goner. What would we expect for him? A RP? Bench UT? Who cares? I think Hendry is sort of anticipating that and trying to act before it gets to that point. He's pretty good at spotting busts before they lose all value.

[Danny]

I hate this deal. While Prior has had injury problems in the past (Though, one of those injuries was a batted ball to the arm), Tejada is not worth it. A .348 OBP is something I don't believe the Cubs need. Even though Tejada is MUCH better than Ronny Cedeno/Neifi Perez, I believe the Cubs should get someone like Bobby Abreu for Mark Prior (I'm not making that up, it's been rumored in the past). The way I see it, Cubs get Tejada and their lineup will look something like this:

Juan Pierre .326 OBP/.680 OPS/.276 BA/41 BB
Todd Walker .355 OBP/.829 OPS/.305 BA/31 BB
Derrek Lee .418 OBP/1.080 OPS/.335 BA/85 BB
Aramis Ramirez .358 OBP/.926 OPS/.302 AVG/35 BB
Miguel Tejada .348 OBP/.865 OPS/.304 BA/40 BB
Michael Barrett .345 OBP/.824 OPS/.276 BA/40 BB
Jacque Jones .319 OBP/.757 OPS/.249 BA/51 BB
Matt Murton 160 PAs: .386 OBP/.908 OPS/.321 BA/16 BB

While most of these OBP's look above average, they closely resemble their batting average. The Cubs need people that take walks. If these people struggle at the plate, the Cubs will, again, lose.

They ranked 1st in the NL in BA and SLG last year, yet 11th in the NL in team OBP. I see the Cubs as a 3rd/4th place team with the addition of Tejada.

[Jonathan]

Tejada's value last year slipped tremendously in the second half as the Os got sunk beneath the weight of Ponson, Sosa, and Raffy "Mr. 3000". It's hard to hit homeruns when you're being protected by Jay Gibbons.

[RumorMonger]

Agreed Danny, and Tejada's .348 mark will only get worse as the years go by.

How come everyone makes excuses for Tejada's second half? If he is a true consistent star it shouldn't matter what Raffy said or whether he's protected by Jay Gibbons (who did slug .516 last year anyway).

[michael]

I'm Guessing that Prior will not pass the DR. and than we will have a pitcher that will be very carefull until hais FA year

well, he's always been a hacker. One of the reasons why he was sent out of OAK was because he just won't take walks like Beane likes. But his real value is his ability to make consistent contact at a high rate in spite of being a hacker. He might just for that reason fall off real dramatically like Sosa did as soon as his batspeed slips, but, if no one throws him strikes, it's reasonable to assume that he won't hit HRs. If you were a pitcher with runners' onbase, would you throw a strike to Miguel, or, throw him 4 balls and try to get Gibbons or newhan or whoever else out? In my opinion it's not an excuse but common sense.

[Kevin]

If the Cubs trade Prior + parts for Tejada + parts (I agree Bedard is better than Patterson+Hill), they [Cubs] would be filling one hole by creating another.

It would seem to me that the Cubs could acquire Huff+Lugo from the D
Rays without giving up a frontline pitcher. I may be wrong about that, though. I understand their asking price has notoriously high for some of their players.

Would Pie + J. Williams + Cedeno for Huff + Lugo be close?

If the Cubs land Tejada, fine. But I think there are other deals out there that could fill 2 holes (SS + OF) without creating a hole at the top of the rotation.

[James]

If and when Baltimore pulls out of this deal (which they more than likely will), do you think Hendry would consider moving Prior and Murton for Abreu and one of our pitching prospects like Floyd, Hamels, Gio Gonzalez or Scott Mathieson? It seems that the club isnt too high on Murton, yet putting him in a RF platoon with Jason Michaels could yield some nice results. Abreu could play RF for Chicago, with Joke Jones goin to LF.

[kalen]

I wasnt aware this is a Cubs blog.....this site is repeatedly guilty of posting seemingly all cubs rumors and false proposals....I particularly dont hate the cubs, although their so called
"fans" are uninformed and its nice that the aura of the field that they play on far outweights the fans actual passion for the team. This is not about taking shots at the team it is just about being honest. I am sure there are dedicated cubs fans that truly do have a passion and an affinity for the team, but for fans who vouch to have a long suffering history,that "passion" is hardly seen enough.

[RumorMonger]

Again: Bruce Levine reported this trade proposal on ESPN Radio 1000. I promise.

I'm not responsible for what Cubs fans write in the comments.

Maybe you should read through the post before taking a shot at the website.

[CubFanNC]

I should kick myself for wasting time on this response, but isn't the "passion" you feel is lacking actually being displayed fully by Cubs fans clamoring for trade rumors? It's not like I, as a Cub fan in North Carolina, have any ability to make a difference for the Cubs. But I can hope for the best for my favorite team, and I want to gain any possible resources to ponder my team's future.

As for being uninformed, I'd argue that 99% of ALL fans of any team are uninformed, including both you and me. We all have opinions, but the fact is none (or VERY few) have even a remote clue of what goes on behind the scenes with baseball GMs.

Also, I love it when people preface an insult with a comment like "this is not about taking shots at the team..."

As for this being a "Cubs' blog," I would guess the host is a Cubs fan, and has more access to Cubs radio. Maybe I'm wrong, but either way, it's a website: he can post whatever he wants!

[James]

...or maybe the Cubs have just been very active behind the scenes this winter, and thus, more rumors about them are circulating?

Some people really need to get a grip here. Its not like anyone is FORCING you to read this site every day, let alone take the time to post a comment.

[Cubs]

Pitching wins games not hitting last time I checked so I dont think we should do this trade now I think about it.

[Jonathan]

I think by "uninformed" he means knowing the relative values of players. It's easy to know what the top players are worth. Everyone has heard of Miguel and Prior, but what makes or breaks this deal are the secondary parts. Cubs fans as a whole like to shoot down a proposal like this cus they're trading away Prior, but, it also invariably has them overvaluing both Paterson and Hill, and, devaluing Bedard.

Think about it. Even on the Cubs side, they are conceding that Bedard is worth about both Hill and Paterson combined. All three are approximately the same ages. One of them is the same position as Bedard. What does that say? Bedard must be worth something, right? According to some Cubs fans here, if Hill is potentially a #3 starter under ideal circumstances, then I think it's reasonable to assume that Bedard is a #1 starter under those same circumstances. He's not a Prior, but then again, he doesn't have to be for this deal to favour the Cubs.

This deal is basically exchanging Bedard for fringe players.

[CubFanNC]

I agree that fans in general overvalue their own players (see Ronny Cedeno) and undervalue other teams' prospects/players.

Perhaps I didn't eloquently say what I meant, that being that we have no idea how GMs value these guys. And I feel that this is a quality exhibited by fans of all teams.

The facts seem to me that even to GMs, Bedard, Hill, and Patterson are highly uncertain commodities. Thus, it seems absurd to say that a deal is lopsided either way, as I said in an earlier post.

[CubFanNC]

The other point of contention I have is that people are complaining that Bedard for Hill/Patterson is not equal. Of course it's not equal. The whole point of the trade is that most people don't consider Prior for Tejada straight up to be an equal trade. Generally speaking, you don't trade top-of-the-rotation pitching for hitting straight up.

I don't think most people consider Bedard for Hill/Patterson to be equivalent. I could be wrong about that, though, but I don't think they're equivalent. I think of Bedard as a significant risk, but less of a risk than Hill and Patterson.

[Jonathan]

Well, I think it's more of a science than we fans can give credit for. The GMs and baseball men know their stuff. There is a big difference between Hill and Bedard.

And at least with both Bedard and Paterson there is a MLB track record. As much as one might say they are uncertain commodities (which is true), let's just look at the facts. Bedard has been trending upwards in critical stats for the last several years since TJ. For instance, you already know that Bedard can strikeout major league batters at an above-average rate. He has a lot of other peripheral indicators like K/BB, K/9, G/F, HR/9 already at a good level. If he posts another year with similar rate of improvement, that would be considered as a 3 year trend, the ML gold standard of relative certainty. Paterson on the otherhand has been spotty. In '03 he showed flashed MVP material up until the MCL injury. since then he's been sporadic, sometimes downright dismal. As it stands right now, Paterson might have a higher cieling than the Os CF, Matos, but Paterson is not even worth him straight up. Can Paterson turn it around? Sure. But to this point right now, Bedard is handily worth more.

[CubFanNC]

Yes, Jonathan, Bedard is worth more than Patterson, and he's also worth more than Hill. But the question is how much more is Bedard worth than Patterson and Hill combined.

Yes, we know Bedard can K people and has a decent K/BB rate. What we don't know is whether Bedard can pitch a full season. Before another injury last year, he looked very good in a short period of time. However, his second half numbers were atrocious, and trended worse as the season wore on.

As for Hill, you have completely written him off in the discussion. The big differences between Hill and Bedard is control and injury history. Bedard has shown better ability to command his pitches than Hill, but he's shown history of injuries.

I agree that Bedard's value is above the two combined. However, since we don't know how highly particular scouts and GMs rate Hill, we don't know how much difference there is between Bedard and Hill+Patterson.

[Jonathan]

I have heard that Hill's curve is easily a 60-70 on the scout scale. The fastball is pretty average with decent movement, 89-91 mph. And his change needs to develop to at least a league average offering if he wants to start. I think considering his age, you cannot take his minor league K/9 rates into direct account which tends to inflate his value. It's heavily documented that even a guy like, say, Rick Helling at about the same age could return to AAA and pitch with dominant K-rates. He needs to improve that control which will take a few years in the majors. I think he'll get his shot at starting but unless he develops a 3rd ML-average pitch he won't be starting for long. I don't think there are any ML starters with just 2 pitches. In the bullpen he could be an effective lefty specialist with that curve that drops out of the sky. Right now I think you could count on him to be a RP at least and see how much he improves. Though since he is already 25, for the most part, he is what he is.

[cubspride]

sorry bout doubting you, but after the Burnett, Pierre, and other rumors you can see why I could be a bit sceptic. I was hoping you were wrong again, but I guess your not, we will just have to wait and see how this turns out. I just got a Prior jersey for Christmas damnit.

[RumorMonger]

You just have to read carefully - rumors are rumors, and even if they come from legit sources many of them don't end up happening. There's no guarantee anything happens here with Tejada, I'm just reporting what Levine said.

[Jeff]

Guys, Bruce Levine has said all day that this is just awaiting work from Baltimore on whether or not this deal with go through. It's being reported that Levine will be on ESPN 1000 later on this hour to give an update. I can see why Hendry wants this trade, and I understand Prior is going to be a free agent in the near future, but I still think he could be more important. I'm kinda torn because I think Miggy would be unbelievable if you put him in a lineup that features D-LEE, Ramirez, Barrett, and Pierre. We'll have to see what happens, but if this deal does go through I also see the cubs picking up another pitcher either Zito or Weaver.

Jeff

[Dumb]

Murton and Cedeno will be able to play everyday. Platooning Murton and Jones would be a mistake. Trading Prior for a shortstop at the peak of his game and will only get worse is a mistake. The only things the Cubs need to do is maybe get another starter or another bench playing. I beleive the Cubs should trade patterson bc he wont get any better coming off the bench. WE need to trade Corey for another 4 or 5 quality starter. Jones might surprise you guys. as well as murton, all Murton hit against last season was leftys, he can hit rightys too!!!

[Teetz]

I'm not sure why O's fans think Tejada is light years ahead of Prior. O's aren't gonna be able to compete in that division next year or for the wild card. If Tejada stays, he will just be entertaining fans with his bat, while he could help the Cubs contend in a division that has fallen back to them. In the long term, Prior is the much better buy for a team looking to rebuild, and by long term I mean 2-3 years.

It is a straight up even deal with pros and cons to each team. If it happens, best case scenario would be the O's getting an ace for the long term and the Cubs make the postseason in '06.

[RumorMonger]

Murton doesn't need to be platooned - Jones does. He can't hit lefties to save his life.

[Eric]

We'll have to see what happens, but if this deal does go through I also see the cubs picking up another pitcher either Zito.

The Cubs are not getting Zito. Not only will Beane demand Wood (or a #3 starter), Hill and Pie, but Zito will command 15M a year and Hendry will not be able to afford him.

Besides, we all know Zito is coming to the Mets. Rick Peterson was his pitching coach in Oakland and we'll have upwards of 30M coming off the books.

I think it's more important the Cubs get some better position players. They have enough pitching as presently constituted to win it all.

[Jonathan]

If you ask me, there's no way Peter Angelos okays this deal. Ever since Albert Belle and Scottie Erickson, he's gone from one of the most trigger-happy to trigger-fearful owners when it comes to injury issues.

Remember that Prior and Tejada are on flipsides in the endurance department. Tejada is approaching 1000 consecutive games, ~30 games short. Whereas due to injuries, Prior has produced like an average starter, albeit the most spectacular average starter you'll ever see in your lifetime. He's a head-scratcher. You should throw out the Giles collision and line drives as flukes, but, there's enough recurrance around that elbow that should make every fan weary.

[RumorMonger]

Wood has a full no trade and little value to the A's even if he did allow it.

The Cubs could easily afford Zito, but they probably won't make a play for him.

[Eric]

The Cubs could easily afford Zito.

Says you.

What about Zambrano? You gonna keep him and D-Lee?

The Cubs are a mid-market, not the damn Yankees.

[CubFanNC]

Yes, you have provided me YOUR opinion of Hill. And I agree that minor league numbers don't tell the story for Hill. However, notice that his K/9 rate in (albeit limited) big league action is pretty similar to that of Bedard.

But my point remains that neither you nor I know how Baltimore's (or any other team's) GM/Scouting department views Hill in terms of a deal. And even then, GMs are guessing anyway.

Trading purely on performance last year, the trade offer is lopsided in favor of Chicago. However, so much more is going into it than just recent performance, as you know.

That's the thing about the offer. Hendry seems to be offering speculative players for more proven commodities. How fair the trade is is completely contingent upon how risk-averse you are.

[The Readers Of This Board]

Eric, I don't know where you get your facts from, but right now the cubs payroll is at about 87, and last year including sosa they were at 104, and were contemplating going to around that, not to mention 1800 new bleachers and raising ticket prices 3 dollars a seat. That alone will pay for ZITO, so if you really want to come to us with these outlandish comments of BS, please know what you are talking about next time you are thinking about talking. NOT TO MENTION they also are getting alot of money from the rooftop owners.

Knowledgable and Intelligent,

[Jonathan]

When we're talking about fine differences I totally agree with you CubFanNC. No question you are right. Ultimately it depends on how B'more's people evaluate Hill and Paterson and Bedard.

I am just trying to argue that the differences are not that fine here. HOF pitchers/players pretty much hit or pitch once they start. Not always but they often do. Prior looks like that type here. All-Star or just "good" players sometimes need some time to develop and round out. Though on large part, they should show some success by 25. My main point is that if the Cubs hold onto Hill any longer than this year and he doesn't improve control, he pretty much has lost his "prospect" status. Corey is in the same boat. Bedard at least has shown enough to retain his high potential value.

[Mike]

This is such a stupid move for the Orioles. They will NOT be able to lock Prior up beyond the two years they'd have him. And they won't be able to compete in those two years. Why does this franchise have to keep hedging the line between publicly saying they are trying to contend and privately trying half-assed to rebuild. Here's to 8 more years of losing seasons...

[Jeff]

Guys let's not forget that Mark Prior was at 4-1 with a 2.93 ERA before that ball glanced off his elbow and he was out for a while. Last year he still lead the league in k's/9 and altered his mechanics a bit and didn't look the same effectively. He's going to come back with a vengance this year guys.

[CubFanNC]

Jonathan, I completely agree with that. This offseason is the last year that Hill would have any value as a prospect, and even now his value surely varies, based on the reasoning we've discussed. The thing is, there are late bloomers, and command is something that can come later. K/9 rates don't generally improve after this point, but K/BB can improve. If Hill isn't traded this offseason, his value will depend entirely on him performing at the big-league level.

[CubFanNC]

As for the person who said the salary is at $87 million, I'm not sure how you have that number. Not counting Zambrano, Pierre, Patterson, Prior, Hairston, and Ohman, the payroll is around $79 million. However, Prior and Zambrano are due substantial pay-raises via arbitration (assuming he uses his opt-out option that allows for arbitration), and Pierre will make a decent amount.

I easily see the following arbitration numbers:
Prior: $7 million
Zambrano: $7 million
Patterson: $2 million
Pierre: $5 million
Ohman: $400,000

That's about $21 million right there, which would put the payroll at $100 million.

[Anthony]

Getting rid of Prior at this point in his career would be foolish. He had a freak accident last year put him on the dl it was not due to mechanical problems such as Kerry Wood. Sure Tejada is a giant bat and a good fielder but a pitcher like Prior is harder to come by. I think if Hendry pulls the trigger on this deal your going to see a lot of disgruntled Cub fans and I feel rightly so.

[Hendry's Little Helper]

Make the deal Jim. So long as you get pitching back, and Bedard was the ace of the Baltimore staff in 2005, it is acceptable to trade Prior. Tejada will protect Lee and Ramirez to ensure they get pitches to see when runners are on. He provides leadership and as the GM of the New England Patriots said, "You can't overpay for leadership." In this market, I don't like the options left for pitching. You can cough up 3-4 years and nearly 10 mill for a quality starter or you can trade the rest of the farm to get someone else's junk or contract year pitcher. I have faith that Jerome Williams and Kerry Wood can pitch like the 3 and 4 starters that they are.

[Jarid]

Better watch it though...

I hear Tejeda LOVES to share his Vitamin B needles

[CubFanNC]

Really, if Wood is healthy, the team is a serious playoff contender whether we make the trade or not.

If we make the trade and Bedard rounds into #2-3 starter form, we probably would still competitive for the playoffs regardless of Wood.

If Wood is healthy and Bedard pitches well, we would be a very good team.

If Wood is not healthy AND Bedard gets hurt or doesn't continue to progress into his potential, we will be in trouble.

[CubFanNC]

Really, if Wood is healthy, the team is a serious playoff contender whether we make the trade or not.

If we make the trade and Bedard rounds into #2-3 starter form, we probably would still competitive for the playoffs regardless of Wood.

If Wood is healthy and Bedard pitches well, we would be a very good team.

If Wood is not healthy AND Bedard gets hurt or doesn't continue to progress into his potential, we will be in trouble.

[Jarid]

So regardless of Wood, we would be a serious playoff contender with some sort of combo of Maddux, Zambrano, Bedard, Williams, Rusch, possibly Hill, etc?
Why don't we just trade for Sergio Mitre again.....sounds like alot of #4's & 5's to me, besides whatever consistency Zambrano brings...which can be eratic.

If Wood is not healthy or able to make 30 starts, this team is in trouble, period.

[CubFanNC]

No, I said IF Bedard reaches his potential as a #2 or #3 quality starter, we could still be good. My reasoning being that a #1 (Zambrano), #2-3 (Bedard), and 3 #4-5s (Maddux/Williams/Rusch) could do well with a much improved offense and stronger bullpen.

If Wood is out AND Bedard doesn't pitch great, I said we'd be in trouble.

Read the post carefully next time.

[Jarid]

I read it just fine, thanks. Relax, its just discussion, not an attack.

Regardless of who is 2 or 3 in the rotation, it seriously lacks anyone that can consistency go deep into games. That is, before or after Zambrano's arm falls off from throwing 130+ pitches and he throws it at Piazza.

Well, even if they do get Tejeda, there are alot more "If's" than "A sure thing" on this team.
-If Aramis can stay healthy
-If Lee can duplicate anything close to what he did last year
-If you get any consistent production out of Cedeno if he starts at 2B or SS.
-Ditto for Murton in LF, and add any defensive questions he brings.
-If the lineup shows any improvement with Jones over Burnitz.
-If Pierre & Jones rebound from sub-par seasons past.
-If any Jim Hendry bullpen acquistion can actually play out a full contract & be effective (i.e. Eyre & Howry)
-If Dempster can continue what he started on last year.

Also,
-If the Cardinals have gotten THAT much worse and the Cubs have gotten THAT much better.

[Jarid]

And also, does anyone pinch hitting off the bench really scare you?

[Danny]

Jarid is right. And while I'm not as high on Prior as some, I'm not very high on Tejada either. Remember, Tejada had a .348 OBP in 2005. Even his OPS was below .900. We need someone that is able to take walks, and plate discipline is not something that can be "taught".

[Eric]

Even if the Cubs COULD afford Zito, such an aquisition makes no sense.

It's like the White Sox getting another pitcher when their #1 priority should be third base!

They should lock up D-Lee and Zambrano. Both are far better players than Zito and are more likely to return on investment.

[CubFanNC]

Jarid, I didn't take offense to your comments. I was just pointing out that you were misrepresenting my points. I'm not saying I expect 200 innings and a sub 3.6 ERA from Bedard, but if we got that I think we'd be a competitive team with the improved offense and bullpen.

I do think you're undervaluiing Zambrano. He's been by far the most consistent starter we've had. His ERAs have been 3.11, 2.75, and 3.26 in the past three seasons, and he's thrown at least 210 innings each year. Those are great numbers, and they're a lot more consistent than Prior (2.43, 4.11, 3.67).

As for the Tejada discussion, I agree he's overrated. But his .850+ OPS is a big improvement in the 5th spot in the order, and a HUGE improvement over SS last year. The key, obviously, would be how healthy Prior would be and how much Bedard improves on his potential. If Bedard threw 200 IP and sub 3.6 ERA AND Tejada provided that 150-200 point improvement in OPS at SS, we'd be a much better team than last year.

[Jarid]

Nah, I wasn't meaning to undervalue Zambrano. I just think if with no Prior and the uncertainty surrounding Wood, it will put alot of pressure on Zambrano.
Maddux, Rusch & Williams won't get you past the 6th or 7th very often, if much at all. That puts alot of eggs in the basket of a kid that has thrown alot of innings over the past few years...and a kid that has shown his ablility to dominate, but also crack under pressure many times.
I just think he would try to do too much without Prior or Wood getting alot of the attention & spreading the spotlight.

I think Zambrano is a great pitcher, but dealing Prior & the questionable health of Wood seems to bring more questions than answers.

[kalen]

I apologize for my comment before...after thinking about it it really was shortsighted and kind of irresponsible to make. I was not not being honest with myself and I seemingly angered some people. My fault, I am truly sorry and I really dont feel that way. for some reason I was angry and why I choose the cubs to lash out on. I apologize to CubsfanNC as well, I was out of line.

[CubFanNC]

Now that I completely agree with. Prior is a much more sure thing than Bedard, obviously.

I was just pointing out scenarios in which a trade could work out for us, but I agree that the trade would provide a lot more room for disastrous results, too.

[RumorMonger]

No problem kalen.

[CubFanNC]

By the way, my last post was in reference to Jarid's Zambrano analysis, not your apology.

But the apology is certainly appreciated Kalen, though unnecessary. I wasn't overly offended, just wanted to defend my fandom!

[Jarid]

How many blown saves did the Cubs have last season?
What was their record with the lead after the 7th inning?
I was looking for these stats, but couldn't find anything.

In other words, really how many, wins & losses, can you attach to the lack of offense last year?
If the bullpen would have been consistent, where would the Cubs have been?

Not that the current lineup is Yankee like, but if you keep Prior, Wood is healthy, and you round it out with Zambrano, Maddux, and a combo of Rusch, Williams, Hill, etc., couldn't the Cubs at least compete for the Wild Card or division with the improved bullpen they have?
You get good pitching to keep you in the race till July, then you go find a big bat you need....

But then again, I think they've been banking on that for the past 2 years....and here we are, again.

[Jarid]

Not sure if RM has expressed his opinion yet, but I bet he would keep Prior.
?

[CubFanNC]

Jarid, I actually agree with you on all these points. The offense, even last year, would have been enough to get us to the World Series had Wood and Prior been healthy, and had the bullpen not struggled so much.

I am not a fan of trading for Tejada personally. I feel that the improved offense and bullpen, with a healthy Prior and Zambrano, and with the good fortune of 20-25 healthy starts from Wood down the stretch, is as good as any team in the league.

I was pointing out scenarios in which it could work out for us, in the event that the trade did happen.

[st.PETEr ROSE]

Hey Rumormongor have you ever gotten more comments on atopic than this one?
And do you think everyone going apeshit over the avalability of miggy is justified.Also when I saw rumors on a possible trade involving Prior and Abreu it seemed like the Cubs were down right offended that Phils should ask for Prior. As if . Other than the value of having a shortstop that can hit, what's the hype all about. There both going to put up the same numbers except Bobby's going to hit for a better avg and a hell of alot better obp...plus he's a lefty...plus when you look at the slight edge Miggy had in power and rbis remember Miggy's always hit in front of a monster powerhitter..... I don't know ........Could i get some feedback.
No respect.

[Cubs]

We get Bedard to.

[EverittBlewTheCall]

Call me crazy, but I still don't like the concept of giving up Prior. Not for Tejada or J. H. Christ for that matter.

I'll be totally honest gang. I'm still not over Game 6. If the umpires knew the damn rule, we would have won that lousy world series. If anyone wants a thorough analysis of the play, I'd be happy to provide the Commission Report on the Bartman Play (I wrote it with another attorney during winter 2003-04.) Its about 160 or so pages. e-mail me.

[RumorMonger]

pete rose, i think 130 comments may be a record. lot of cubs fans on this site as usual. you make a great point - the cubs need OBP and abreu does it.

[Operation Shutdown]

Monger, what's the status of Brian Roberts? Is he untouchable? I know he's tight with Miggy, but if Tejada actually wants to stay and the team to improve, maybe dealing Roberts could help. It would be a classic "sell high" situation, and could bring some pitching back.

[RumorMonger]

Well, he is recovering from that dislocated elbow. I think GMs realize '05 was his career year. I haven't heard his name mentioned in any trade talks. I have heard that he could move to SS if Tejada is dealt. The O's middle infield would be decimated if they dealt both.

[Jon]

I originally was for the trade--but reading through--the last few points make sense. We did lose ALOT of games that the bullpen blew last year. Wood and Prior were hurt a good portion of the year. Our offense has improved (Pierre will be better than what we had--how much better remains to be seen) and the bullpen has been shored up. Ohman, Eyre as lefties and Howry and Novoa (who shows promise) as righties plus you have Williamson (who has some filthy stuff--I think this year he will be good after he shook the rust off last year coming off of surgery) and Dempster. A few fill ins, of course.

I don't think we're as "bad" as everyone thinks. Not at Cardinal's level yet, but I think we'll improve. Alot of our season depends on health (but who's doesn't?)....Walker, Wood, Prior, Ramirez, etc.

[Operation Shutdown]

Word. The Palmeiro/Sosa debacle has put them in a deep hole. I know nobody really rebuilds in the AL East, but they have a number of holes to address and no real strengths. They look like a 4th or 5th place team with Tejada.

[Eric]

Not at Cardinal's level yet

I think the Brewers are better than the Cubs, as well.

Eyre and Howry, based on my Metsgeek education, are bound to disappoint. The BABIP and other factors indicate they've been very lucky. I emphasize VERY lucky.

The Cubs will need Prior, Wood and Zambrano to stay healthy all season to compete. There are just too many if's to choose them over the Brewers or Cards.

[RumorMonger]

I've projected Eyre at 3.31 and Howry at 3.53, for what it's worth. They could certainly be worse though.

I think if we trade Prior we have to pick up a pitcher to take his place if we get Tejeda and a good pitcher ummm...I dont know Zito?Then we would have an awesome team I hope this deal gets done then go after a pitcher to replace Prior. Zambrano,Zito,Wood or Bedard,Bedard or Wood,and Williams or Rusch.Thats a good team that could be very competitive.

[Michael]

Why not just go for broke and mess everyone up....go after Bonds...you want OPS and RBI's.....there is your man.

[Gleebo]

So where does anyone think Patterson is gonna end up this season? Besides Baltimore I have heard Boston and Arizona. I think keeping him in Chicago wouldn't be that bad of an idea for a 4th outfielder that could end up starting 2 or 3 days between filling in for Jones or Murton...or if the Murton project doesn't work.

[Kevin]

There is a lot of analysis here about what went wrong in 2005 for the Cubs. The bullpen had some issues, true. And there were some other problems. But the REAL problem with the Cubs in '05 was the insistence on batting 2 of the worst OB% players in MLB 1 and 2 respectively in the Cubs lineup for so long. It was truly painful to watch...

N. Perez, OB% .298
C. Patterson, OB% .254

Those aren't BATTING AVERAGES, those are On-Base %.

Patterson had 236 AB batting #1, 2 or 3.

Perez had 384 AB batting #1, 2 or 3.

Think about those numbers. It's a miracle D. Lee finished with 100 RBI.

Perez and Patterson combined to completely cripple the Cubs offense.

It's not all their fault though. Dusty Baker insisted on parading them out there at the top of the lineup game after game.

Does anyone remember how Dusty actually was pushing for Neifi to make the All Star team?? Unbelievable.

[zswetz2000]

i think this prior trade only works if we then acquire zito... if we could have both tejada and zito to fill in we wuld have an unbelievable team... zito is a former cy young winner with unbelievalbe potential himself. i think this offense and that pitching staff would be very very potent

[Jarid]

I think it would take alot to get Zito. He's coming into his free-agent year. Hendry gets Pierre for 3 pitchers, and everyone cries out. (2&1/2 really)
Can you imagine what it would take to get Tejeda, then turn around and get Zito? I think they would have to give up too much for a guy that will probably run off with a huge deal come 2007.
If the Tejeda/Prior deal were to happen, I'd say they'd find the best innings eater available, and hope for the best from Wood, Zambrano, and the 3 other 5 inn. starters.

Is Maddux able to block the trade? Get Larry Himes on the phone.

EverittBlewTheCall has it right... JC has it in for the Cubs
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/5083/spirituality2wf.jpg

[Cubs]

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/cubs.asp

[Mark]

Despite a report on WMVP 1000-AM that the trade was on the table awaiting a decision, a Cubs source told the Daily Herald on Tuesday that no such offer has been made.

[Rem]

Prior is just another Wood. An injury prone bust who the cubs and cubs fan idolized making their true worth more than it really is. Tejada is workhorse who rarely misses a game who is a very good defensive shortstop along with his hitting. This is a no brainer.

However, the GM of the Orioles hates pitchers that are injury prone so I highly doubt this trade occurring.

[trumac]

Do you watch baseball?Prior is nothing like Wood, He had two frak injuries not reoccurring shoulder and are problems. Tejeda had 26 errors last year, which makes him an average defender at best. And if the O's GM hates pitchers that are injury prone, than why is he so reluctant to give up Bedard? I just hope that no one on here believed that crap you wrote. Good day!

[trumac]

Do you watch baseball?Prior is nothing like Wood, He had two frak injuries not reoccurring shoulder and are problems. Tejeda had 26 errors last year, which makes him an average defender at best. And if the O's GM hates pitchers that are injury prone, than why is he so reluctant to give up Bedard? I just hope that no one on here believed that crap you wrote. Good day!

[JokeyCubs]

I'm all for trading Wood, Hill, Patterson, and Walker, but all that combined will get us nothing. The Tejada trade probably won't happen, just too good to be true. Yeah Prior is the man, I know. But you never know what you are going to get with Prior, you know what you got with Tejada. If this doesn't happen, what about Vidro or Abreau? They are not as good as Tejada, but Prior stays put. Lee needs protection or we are putting out the same offense we did last year with the exception of a weaker center fielder and right fielder. We need at least a 25 hr 85 rbi guy. God help us!

[Danny]

Jokey: In my opinion, I believe Abreu is much better than Tejada (if you're referring to Bobby Abreu). A player of his calibur would require Prior.

Abreu 2005 stats: .405 OBP, .879 OPS, 117 BB, .286 BA

Tejada 2005 stats: .348 OBP, .865 OPS, 40 BB, .304 BA

[december]

Cubs control Prior's rights through the 2008 season (not 2007). If traded, Tejada can demand to be traded again after one season if he gets another bee up his bonnet like he has in Baltimore. Cubs could be trading 3 years of Prior for one year of Tejada.

Not worth it.

[september]

Anyone can DEMAND a trade if they damn well please, but just like the Cubs control Prior's rights, Baltimore ultimately makes the decision if they want to trade Tejada since he is under contract for another 4 years.

[RoN]

Danny, personally i think you sound like a person that works at target. I mean your grammer is unreal. Heres some advice: Download some pics of miggie, pleasue your self and when you are done reflect on your past days.Your new best buddy,
RoN

[Shlomo]

Hi guys, 1st off i agree with what RoN says. But I do have good news for you Danny... I just saved a lotta money on my car insurance by switching to geicko!

[cracks]

danny, hahah burdman.. you work at target, stop talking about miggy and tejada and your mom hahahahahahahaa.. from bacalar

[december]

Riiiight, september, Tejada doesn't have the right to demand a trade from Baltimore. That's why I said **IF TRADED** Tejada can demand a trade from his new team after one season. capiche?

Who's to say that being "disgruntled" won't wear off him ... just like those B-12 shots apparently did last season.

[Be my demon]

Doesn't anyone else find it concerning that the year when numbers dropped b/c of the new steroid testing, Tejada's numbers dropped as well?

If we have to give up Prior and pay him 12 million a year for last years numbers, forget it. I don't care what kind of "potential" Bedard has. I'm tired of starting pitchers with "endurance" issues.

I'd rather roll the dice with Prior than Tejada. Who's to say he doesn't decide in a year he doesn't like Chicago and wants to be traded, while Bedard ends up mediocre or average, while Prior wins 20 in Baltimore.

Anyone remember 2003?

[Nick]

Cubs fans and this website are really dumb that we would give up brian roberts or bedard with miggy and get that crap, that Os Fo isnt the best, but not dumb

[Nick]

Cubs fans and this website are really dumb that we would give up brian roberts or bedard with miggy and get that crap, that Os Fo isnt the best, but not dumb

[Nick]

Cubs fans and this website are really dumb that we would give up brian roberts or bedard with miggy and get that crap, that Os Fo isnt the best, but not dumb