Could Pedro Retire?

If Pedro does retire, as a Met fan, I'd love to go after Mulder. If he's right, he can be a great pitcher and with Rick Petersen, you know you'll do good

Pedro won't retire... every now and then some injured player says they will. Anyway he's gotta be thinking about strikeout number 3,000... He's probably already garuenteed an in in the Hall of Fame, but 3,000 strikeouts will make him a lock.

My money's on either Matsuzaka or Zito to the Mets...

I think D-Mat is kinda risky for that big of an investment. I'd go with Zito

Oh, Pedro's been a lock for the Hall a long time ago, regardless of 3000 Ks. Statistically, he's the most dominant pitcher ever (highest winning percentage). I would really like to see Pedro come back though, never fun to see a great go out due to an injury.

Could someone explain to me why Padilla is now considered on the same level as Zito, Schmidt, Mussina, etc.? I've read in other places as well here that he's a top free agent. Why?

My thoughts exactly. I have no idea why they think he is a top free agent

It's just a judgment call, but I like the idea that he's 29 with a strong K rate and some excellent seasons in his past in the NL.

Oh... And are the Marlins willing to trade D-Train? Do you think Milledge, Heilman, and Bannister would get the job done for him?

that would be enough for willis but teams might offer more, especially when the marlins are willing to wait. Lets see how much team like the mets, yankees, red sox, both of the los angelos and cubs are willing to offer if they miss out of one the 3 hourse.

I thought Padilla had a good season, especially since it was with Texas. Also if he's in the NL he would most likely have a breakout season, especially if he goes to New York with their offense. He's a solid #3 starter and a decent #2.

does anybody remeber this guy was considered a cancer for the phillie and a drunk? If he sign with a new york team he can be a sponser for miller.

does anybody remeber this guy was considered a cancer for the phillie and a drunk? If he sign with a new york team he can be a sponser for miller.

Man what would the Mets do if Glavin leaves an go's back 2 Atl an Pedro does Retire we b screwed ..

I'm curious as to why you consider Dontrelle Willis a second-tier starter. I don't disagree, I'd just like to hear you state why, Roto.

The Mets are SCREWED! They cannot rely on a horrible pitching rotation and aging offense to carry them anywhere.

"They cannot rely on a horrible pitching rotation and aging offense to carry them anywhere."

Yeah, that's "Yankee Thinking".

call me crazy, but i think this can be very good news for the mets. By talking about retirement, whether its frustration speaking or not, this almost ensures that minaya will go after a big time pitcher hard, knowing that without pedro he needs one more then ever. Can this just be Pedros way of trying to get some front line help for the mets, i dont know, but i think it may work.

as for mulder, i like the guy, but i have to say no thanks. I mean if he's healthy sure, if u sign a big time starter and then wana go after mulder, thats cool too, but im not sure if im ready to put all my hopes on mulders left arm when he was hurt almost all season. Everyone brings up the Mulder Peterson relationship, but what about the Zito Peterson relationship? Like i said, if the mets sign a big starter like zito schmidt or D Mats, then yeah sure, go for it thats fine, i mean it couldnt hurt. I know that would be lots of money to spend, but hey...
it isnt my money so i say lets do it

Since when is Padilla considred a top tier SP? as much as I am not a fan of Dontrelle willis and think he's horribly overrated, he's miles and miles ahead of Padilla

Thank god the red Sox didnt resign him...

This Pedro development puts the Mets under the gun to sign a reliable Ace. They can't take a chance on their premier signing not working out. Matsuzaka's never pitched in the ML's and Schmidt is older with injury problems so Zito makes the most sense for them. I expect the Mets to ink Zito and he'll do real well in that spacious ballpark and pitching to pitchers instead of the DH. I think he'd win 20 on the Mets with that offense. I see the Yanks getting Matsuzaka (unless another team bids "stupid money") and I foresee the Mariners getting Schmidt.

Oh... And are the Marlins willing to trade D-Train? Do you think Milledge, Heilman, and Bannister would get the job done for him?

The marlins have said they arent shopping him just as they werent shopping him last year despite what the NY press said all year long time after time. They have said they will raise payroll and that he is to be their opening day starter.

Bannister = not very good
Milledge = over-rated prospect

Heilman = 2 pitches only pitcher with low endurance that wants to be as starter and couldnt crack our rotation.

If Willis were traded it would start with Pelfrey + Milledge (or Gomez or Martinez) and another top tier prospect too.

The marlins dont need to make a trade and will only do so if they get 3-4 top tier prospects according to them.

I still doubt that they would trade a young elite pitcher in division. Trading older overpaid catchers and 1B are much different then trading a young (24) elite, lefty, face of the franchise and very likable young man that is a total and complete team player.

Better prospects out there anyways for matches in talent for what we need then the mets are.

Time to build around Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Green, and the only pitcher I can think of is Maine, maybe Bannister. The Mets are really missing Kazmir right now.

"Thank god the red Sox didnt resign him..."

Damn right. Back in 05, I still remember all those pompus sportswriters chuckling, "Boy I bet Boston wishes they had Pedro Martinez now, huh, looks like it was a mistake to lowball him like that." I was mad then and I'm feeling pretty good about myself now. Love the guy, wish him the best, but he clearly wasn't worth what he got.

Anyway I'm not sure Pedro's savvy enough to talk retirement to get his team to spend on more pitching. I also think they were probably going to go hard after some SP help anyway, since clearly you can't rely on Martinez to stay healthy. Further...he's always seemed like a pretty emotional guy. I think it's most likely that he's genuinely frustrated by his injuries. He also strikes me as the kind of guy who will quit while he's ahead. Rather then take the Randy Johnson approach and go from ace-calibur pitcher to No. 4 or 5 starter, I think Pedro will simply hang it up when he feels he can't do it anymore.

I cannot believe that the Marlins would move either Willis or Cabrera.

They may have entertained thoughts last year, but that was because they did not really know how good their team is, and currently, it is good enough to compete. Any start better than 11-31 this year would practically given them the wildcard. And the 2007 team will be better.

Willis is their Ace, they have a great young side, they need Willis, and he is staying.

Plus pulling in 30mil in revenue sharing, and spending 15, they can afford him.

I think its intersting that "younger" guys like Pedro and Petitte are talking retirement, when "older" guys like Bonds and Sosa cannot get their heads around it.

The mets really do want and need another quality starter. With the phillies building a nice rotation, the Marlins have a good one, Dodgers, Padres, the Cardinals are not going to lie around, they need one to keep pace. I have not even mentioned the Braves are not going to lie down either.

I think with a healthy Pedro and Glavine they need one more

I hate the mets but I love pedro. If he comes back then I will support him. If he doesnt come back I will miss him and will always know he is one of the greatest pitchers of my time and I will truly miss him. But then again, the mets losing something that big is a haha to mets fans.

If Pedro retires, it will be the Mo Vaugn retirement, ala to the DL.

baseball fan your right about dtrain, about him being a team player, and a good guy in general who enjoys playing the game, but i gota defend my boys. Please people, jus give gangsta lastings sometime lol, he will pan out. Now im not saying he is going to be a superstar, but he could be, but i think at the least he will be a good player. Bannister is actually kind of good, when and if he finds his control. From the little i saw of him before he got injured, he did show an uncanny knack for getting out of big jams, again im not saying hes great, but he should be a decent 4 or 5 starter at some point, but true this isnt enough for the train, cuz if it was the mets would have jumped all over this trade back in june, hell i think minaya might have packed both their bags for them and dropped them off at the airport himself

dessturbd couldnt agree more, but 2 things, first i was jus throwing that out there about pedro talking retirement, and i know they would have probably pursued a big name starter anyway, but now that this came out, i think they really have no choice but to get somebody, also, the one part i disagree on is that pedro was worth the money simply because by signing him, he created a face for the mets, and he also showed the other latino players(which we know minaya loves) that he will pay them the big big bucks to come to the mets. I dont think beltran is a met without the pedro signing. I also agree on both fronts that he probably just said the whole retirement thing out of frustration(like u said he is probably wears his emotions on his sleeve as much as anybody in the league, we saw him come close to tears after failing to win a game coming back from injury, and just seemed overwhelmed with frustration). And i also agree that when he doesnt think he can do it anylonger, he will retire right then, rather then embarras himself, being the incredibly proud guy he is.

and in response to a2000, i cant find it now, but a few months ago i read an interesting article talking about kazmirs trade actually saving the mets, crazy as it sounds. I know it seems a little bit far fatched, but just something to think about. That was the final bad move the mets tolerated from steve phillips, and without it, he could have never been fired, never hired minaya, never aqquired pedro via free agency, beltran never returns the mets calls, no deal for delgado and lo duca.
I wish i would have saved the exact article, because although probably not as far fetched as i make it seem, it is the truth that without making that trade the mets could have been something like a 500 team in 06, and was a very interesting read

nrmax88, the kazmir trade was made by jim duquette, not by steve phillips. it probably did force the mets to move in the right direction. without minaya, there's no pedro, no beltran, no delgado, etc.

yeayea my bad your right thats what i meant to say

theres no chance this will happen but wouldnt both teams agreed to a Santana/Shields/Ayabar (2nd base) of the angels for Delgado/Heilman of the mets. It would solve each teams problems. Firstbase can easly be solve for the mets atleast easier than getting a young pitcher. Who would win in this deal?

i wouldnt want to make that trade,theres no need to mess with the lineup when u can sign a free agent pitchershields and heilman would kind of cancl eachother out, and not that its a bad trade for the mets, i just figure wait it out and we will get the pitcher we need from somewhere

I think Santana + diff prospect(s) for the 2 mets would be contemplated. The deal doesn't make sense because Heilman won't start for either team. So why swap good setup men?

Thrill, I think Heilman would start for the Halos if russell's idea panned out.

What's happening with Bartolo Colon, aka El Guapo II? Anyway assuming he comes back...if that trade happened, the rotation would be Lackey, Colon, Escobar, Weaver, and Heilman. Then I bet Saunders would be the 6th man. That'd be a pretty damn formidable staff right there. Assuming, of course, Colon is OK.

I disagree and think Saunders would clearly start over Heilman. He's a Lefty. Plus Heilman's splits from last 3 seasons. ERA as a starter 5.01 compared to 3.00 as a reliever. Granted thats only 12 starts, none from this year. But I'd bet he's more valuable in the pen and will be closer to average as a starter.