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Market For Ted Lilly Develops

Ted Lilly is looking for a four-year deal at close to $40MM.  It'd be tough to hand that contract to a guy with his injury history, but five teams are said to have serious interest.

There are two mystery teams, one from each league, in addition to the Blue Jays, Yankees, and Cubs.  The NL club could be the Giants.  But how about the Mets?  They have plenty of competition for Barry Zito, and Lilly might be the best remaining southpaw starter.

The AL club could be (pure speculation) the Orioles, Royals, Mariners, or Rangers.

My money is on the Cubs, as the Blue Jays seem to be more into Gil Meche and the Yankees don't seem thrilled with Lilly.

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I find it very intersting that the Mets under Wilpon and Yankees have yet to get into a bidding war with any player. Both teams tend to stay out of each others business. Smells fishy, but it might just be coincidence.

This is why I doubt that the Mets are looking at Lilly. The Mets might surface if the Yankees lose interest.

How much will Zito's numbers will improve while beingin the NL?

Im not sure he is worth 10/4 but contracts have been a little insane this offseason. The only starter with a good (club) deal so far is Wolf and the Dodgers I think. It will be nice if Lieberthal takes a hometown discount too.

coolpapabell, but the mets and yankees havent really botten crazy and over bid for anybody yet. Atleast compared to other deals weve seen. I dont count the igawa yankee bid because they will probably only pay him a few mil a year, so it will not hurt them as much with the luxury tax, even though they are paying about the same for a lilly type guy, counting the bid. The mets and yankees were both top bidders for igawa and D mats. I dont think minaya or cashman would hesitate to go after a guy just because the cross town rival made the first move

I really hope the Cubs don't jump on this one. They need to get Schmidt not Lilly. If they can get both thats fine with me but they can't sign Lilly until they get Schmidt imo.

If the Yankees were smart, they'd bite the bullet and sign Lilly. As a Sox fan, it seems like that guy dominates us everytime we face him. Every team has those one or two mediocre pitchers who just seem to have their number, and for the Sox, it's Ted Lilly and Rodrigo Lopez. If the Yanks could somehow get either one of those guys as a 4 or 5 starter, Sox fans wouldn't be too thrilled.

papi i agree completely. He kills the sox and he can develop from that great staff there. RJ can take him under his wing haha.

Offtopic but, are you the guy that registered at my forum complaining about madore?

the Blue Jays are trying for both Lilly and Gil Meche, and believe they can sign them both.

ive also been hearing another rumour.. apparenty it was originally heard on 1090 radio out of San Diego. Vernon Wells and Gustavo Chacin to San Diego for Jake Peavy. anyone else hear this? or know if there is any thruth to it?

I doubt it, why would chacin be in there?

I agree...Wells for Peavy seems fair enough but I'm sure the blue jays would want a CF in return as well. I haven't heard this and I would assume its pretty unfounded.

Wells only has one more season and then he is a free agent. with money being thrown around he could easy get Soriano/Beltran money. teams arnt going to give up much value in a trade for Wells right now.. so the trade would look more like Wells(for 1 season) and Chacin for Peavy. Chacin is to replace Peavy in the rotation and then SD gets 1 season of Wells.
im a Jays fan and i would love it.. not sure what SD fans would think

I dont think that has a chance of happening. If no peavy for manny, then why do it for wells, for only 1 year? If u compare what SD is giving up in the proposed manny deal, and look what they get back in the proposed wells deal, i would rather have manny for a few years then Wells for 1

speical fnk, if this deal does somehow happen though, that would be one SICK rotation for the jays wouldnt it?

http://www.metronews.ca/uploadedFiles/PDFs/20061201_Toronto.pdf

For those who don't want to download the PDF and search for the article, here's the quote in the sports section of the Toronto Metro News:
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"It looks as though the Blue Jays will not be able to resign starting pitcher Ted Lilly. Sources have told Metro that the free-agent left-hander is on the verge of agreeing to a four-year deal worth $37.5-million US with the Chicago Cubs. Baseball owners have lost their minds. "

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That may or may not be a reliable, credible source, but take that for what it's worth. Just passing it on

WTF is wrong with the cubs? SRSLY.

Hell just thank the lord its under 10 million a year! haha. So I'm guessing this deal would be 9 million this year which would still leave the cubs with about 15 million to work with by my estimation. Schmidt and Lofton?

thats about what Lilly wanted and what the Jays were also willing to spend on him. id like to tink that is just a rumour and the Jays still have a chance. id rather have Lilly than Meche.

I mean... I don't think it's true, not for one minute. If it were, it'd be all over FoxSports, CNNSI, ESPN Rumor Central, etc. It's probably just speculative canuk journalism. I wouldn't take it for fact. Of course, if it turns out to be true, then I don't like the signing it. If the Cubs are serious about going after Schmidt, signing Lilly first to a contract like that will only jack Schmidt's pricetag up $1MM more than it needs to be.

gallow737, WAIT. HA HA HA HA.
Do you live in TOronto?

OK, I do. The Metro is a subway newspaper. The sports reporter Marty York is the biggest laughing stock, he's akin to the national enquirer, so please don't call it "canuck journalism" because all our other papers are somewhat credible. Trust me, this guy has ZERO credibilty, he makes things up, and is never right. The fact that he would have this info before any other major source is laughable. He is probably guessing, so if he's right he looks good, and if not, he can say the reports were wrong, and its just the Metro anyway. Most of the things he says will be the opposoite anyway. I now have more confidence Lilly will sign with the Jays.

Ahh, I didn't mean to discriminate by saying "canuk journalism", I merely said it for a laugh, I know there's credible sources in Canada. And I'll take your word for it. I didn't think it was true to begin with, especially since he's the only one reporting it. If he was a credible source, like I said, it would've been reported elsewhere as well.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll let some of my friends know about him. Soryr about the "canuk" phrase again, my biz-ad

The way I see it now, since Glavine is with the Mets

Zito to Rangers
Padilla to Rangers
Meche to Jays
Lilly to Cubs/Jays (how bad do they want a SP? can they get Schmidt?)
Schmidt to Dodgers/Mariners
Maddux to Padres/Dodgers

Peter Gammons was on ESPN2's Mike and Mike this morning and he said even if the Mets get Glavine back they would still likely be the team to get Zito.

a report out of the toranto : "Lilly on verge of signing with Cubs
It looks as though the BlueJays will not be able to resign starting pitcher Ted
Lilly. Sources have told Metro that the free-agent left-hander is on the verge of agreeing to a four-year deal worth $37.5- million US with the Chicago Cubs."
Metronews.com

mballa u obviously weren't reading anything that happened above:

"OK, I do. The Metro is a subway newspaper. The sports reporter Marty York is the biggest laughing stock, he's akin to the national enquirer, so please don't call it "canuck journalism" because all our other papers are somewhat credible. Trust me, this guy has ZERO credibilty, he makes things up, and is never right. The fact that he would have this info before any other major source is laughable. He is probably guessing, so if he's right he looks good, and if not, he can say the reports were wrong, and its just the Metro anyway. Most of the things he says will be the opposoite anyway. I now have more confidence Lilly will sign with the Jays."

news from rotoworld
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Agent Larry O'Brien said the Cubs have offered free agent Ted Lilly a four-year deal.
"We've had an offer [from Chicago], and we're considering coming back with another counter offer," O'Brien told MLB.com on Friday. "I'm planning on meeting with [Cubs general manager] Jim Hendry down at the winter meetings in Orlando next week, but we're also going to be meeting with [Toronto general manager] J.P. Ricciardi." O'Brien also intends to discuss Lilly with the Yankees, Orioles, Rangers and Giants.

Someone Mentioned the Jays would want a CFer in return if they delt Wells. This would be False what you need to realize is the Jays current Starting OFers is basicly 3 CFers.
Johnson and Rios both play CF and its Rios's Natural Position.

I think what Dealing Wells comes down to is Does JP think Adam Lind is good enough to Start in LF.

The addition of Thomas, and the price players are going for may have sealed Vdubs fate in Toronto.

However if The Jays trade Wells Expect the deal to include a extended contract aswell. Why would the jays limit themselves as to what they can get in return.

Also Comparing Manny to Wells is insane, Wells is Clearly the more valuable player. I realize you compared 1 year of Wells however I find it unrealistic that Wells is Delt without a new contract. He will hitthe Free Agent Market as a Jay or he won't hit it until whenever his extended contract comes up.

As for Wells and Chacin for Peavy. That trade doesn't seem to make sence mainly because it still leaves Toronto a Pitcher down. Altho I do hope one of the Jays Pitching spots is obtained via trade.

Yes I must say even though he was wrong in saying Lilly was about to sign.....well his info wasn't too far off. A surprise amongst us Toronto fans. Still, it's no sure thing he'll end up with the Cubs, though the fact that he's counter offering says a lot.

I woulden't mind to much if the Yankees got Ted Lilly, because that would mean the Cubs would be able to get Schmidt still and be able to trade for Jake Westbrook. However i think the Cubs should wait on Lilly until Schmidt signs with someone (even if it is the Cubs).I woulden't mind it to much if they got Lilly though.

If you want a laugh. Go to the mlb.com frontpage, and the second headline is of Ted Lilly. Watch the video. There is a swing and a miss in there by Nick Green that is my favorite strikeout ever. He was fooled so badly he just look baffled. It's hilarious. It also shows how good Lilly's stuff can be.

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