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Non-tender Deadline Events

Several players are officially (or soon-to-be officially) free agents, including:

  • Joel Pineiro
  • Jon Knott
  • Victor Zambrano
  • Jason Bulger
  • Chin-Hui Tsao
  • Aaron Guiel
  • Alexis Gomez
  • Brandon Duckworth
  • Mike Wood
  • Toby Hall
  • Jayson Werth
  • Damon Hollins

That's in addition to Marcus Giles and Chris Reitsma, who are discussed below.  Surely others will follow.  One interesting non-non-tender is Brandon Claussen, who was DFAd by the Reds.  I'm surprised they're letting him go--he may never reach his potential, but he would've worked for close to the minimum in 2007.  And if one thing is abundantly clear, even below-average starting pitching is a very expensive commodity right now.

In other news, the Mets re-signed Dave Williams to a one-year deal, and the Padres brought in Jose Cruz, Jr.

By Jeff Sackmann, Brew Crew Ball

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o Zambrano is out he could still prob get 100 million if he gives a good argument

Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir.

Victor Zambrano. For Scott Kazmir.

WOW that trade really worked out didn't it? haha how much do you think a HEALTHY Kazmir could get in this market, unbelievable.

A hurt Kazmir would get more than a healthy Zambrano.

that was one of the worst trades in the modern era behind the Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, and John Halama for 2 months of Randy Johnson and a couple others

braves, go out and get Tsao, PLEASE

are we forgetting AJ for bonser-nathan-liriano?

mulder for haren-calero-barton isnt that far behind either.

ya he would be a nice cheap addition to the bullpen

I heard somewhere Tsao hit 100mph in a game before.

was385,

im impressed you picked that name out.

chin hui tsao would be an extremely interesting pick up for someone.

good stuff, nice build, the braves or some other team with a good pitching program would make this kid very interesting.

Wow. Absolutely unheard of.

Tsao has major arm & bicep issues. As recently as the end of August there was question if he'd ever throw again. If anyone wanted to turn him into a project, by the time he was healthy he'd be stolen in the Rule 5. Whoever invests time in him better be prepared to give him a spot on the 40 man if they see him ever pitching at the major league level.

didnt know about the arm issue....that explians why theyd giv up on such a promising arm.

good info TNS.

there also is the thing that he hasnt pitched since the beginnig of 2005. the arm is also a big issue. i havent heard of Bulger or Knott. are they worth a look

well i just took a look at Bulger and Knott and i feel i just wasted two minutes of my life

Knott is a 28 year old 1B/OF. He had a great year offensively in the PCL and would be a valuable guy to stash in Triple A. Bulger was traded for Callaspo last offseason. He hasn't put it all together but features a mid-90s sinker. He could be a solid middle reliever when he does.

well i didnt look at minor league and i feel like an idiot for that. who do u guys think will pick up Zambrano?
i have my bet on the Orioles.

Tsao is reportedly practicing here in Taiwan, so it seems his health is alright right now at least.

the Rockies non-tendered him probably because he would qualify for arbitration soon while they probably think if he's going to be a major league pitcher again he needs some more time in the minors .

I think he would certainly be a worthy risk by teams with a good program and/or a team with spare 40man roster spots (Yankees?)

He was a farily consistent mid to high 90s in his fastball touching 100 a few times, and showed a pretty good (albite inconsistent) slider/change combo too.

He's certainly worth checking into if you have the right conditions.

i still think tsao is worth a flier...i guess mlb teams would understand better how well that type of injury heals.

I'd rather have Pinero (58-55 4.48) than Marquis (56-52 4.55) considering that they're both coming off of off years, and that Pinero may be cheaper.

tsao smells like an omar minaya pick up.

i know for sure omar is lurking somewhere checking out tsao..

Tsao's raw stuff sounds like a (Kenny Williams') White Sox style pick up. On the other hand, the Red Sox are on a major Far East kick so I wouldn't be surprised if they overpaid for him. (Yes, I'm a Red Sox fan and just threw out that joke.)

bye bye zambs.

Tsao to the Red Sox, probably not (I know it was a joke), but Chris Reitsma to the Red Sox is a very good possibility.

Tsao to the Red Sox, probably not (I know it was a joke), but Chris Reitsma to the Red Sox is a very good possibility.

Wow, word verification documents? Does every single page require those now. Reading barely intelligible combinations of numbers and letters on a sketchy background thats nearly seizure-inducing. Great.

off topic a bit but, steve phillips just said that matsuzaka wont sign, so expect him to be signed soon

"A hurt Kazmir would get more than a healthy Zambrano."

Dude, A Scott Kazmir with a peg leg and an eye patch would be better than Victor Zambrano. Perhaps some short sighted owner will get confused and think its Carlos Zambrano...otherwise this guy should be cleaning bathroom stalls at a Jamba Juice.

Also,
Who the fuck are Jon Knott and Jason Bulger?

I see Jason Bulger is a pitcher....shouldn't he be getting like 6 or 7 million from someone just because he knows where the pitching mound is? It is however a safe bet that he's a better pickup than Jason Marquis.

Jayson Werth and Toby Hall are now free agents as well
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061212&content_id=1760273&vkey=hotstove2006&fext=.jsp

i thought it was going to be Hall and Hendrickson personaly

Epstein and crew could be meeting with Matsuzaka at this very moment
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/redSox/?p=792

Ok, I have to revisit the Randy Johnson trade. I'm tired of people saying it was a horrible trade.

1. Freddy Garcia has a career ERA just over 4, and is easily the best of the 3 in the trade.

2. Carlos Guillen, played the better part of his career hurt and now 8 years down the line the Astros are now regretting letting him go? He was average to below average for the 1st 5 years of his major league career.

3. Who was that other guy?

Randy Johnson won 10 games, posted a sub 1.28 ERA for the Astros. They also made good bid to resign him, but was over-bid by the Diamondbacks, who almost had trouble paying their players a couple years later. He also wanted to play closer to home. Had they resigned him, great freakin' trade, but that's baseball for you.

If you want to talk about bad trades...how about Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell.

I think the Diamondback's 6 players for 40 ABs from Richie Sexson is the worst trade ever.

the worst trade ever was Babe Ruth, but thats not really a trade. if u wanna talk abotu bad how about the Frank Robinson tarde between the Reds and Orioles sorry to go oldschool on u guys, but it is the worst trade in baseball history.

I think Werth could still be solid. He was great in the second half of 04 which was the last time he was healthy. And he can play center...he could be a good bargain if he stays healthy.

other really bad trades
1.AJ Pierzynski for Bonsor, Nathan, and Liriano
2. Matt Clement for Dontrelle Willis and i think Alfonseca
3.Richie Sexson trade of horror
4.White Sox get David Wells for Brian Simoons and Mike Williams
5.Jason Schmidt to the Giants for Armando Rios and Ryan Vogelsong
6.Jermanine Dye for Neifi Perez then again for Jose Ortiz and Mario Encarnacion

that is all i ahve for right now

ken griffey for pokey reese was pretty bad, even with griffey getting hurt.

the PR value of ken griffey is worth more than pokey reese.

Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen. I wasn't that old then, but I knew at the time it was disaster.

Finally the Mets got rid of scrub Zambrano

JOSE REYES was non tendered.... oh yeah of the cubs lol.... ok im stupid...I know

"the worst trade ever was Babe Ruth, but thats not really a trade. if u wanna talk abotu bad how about the Frank Robinson tarde between the Reds and Orioles sorry to go oldschool on u guys, but it is the worst trade in baseball history."


So so so so so very true.. many consider that Frank Robinson trade to be the worst in history...

The Curt Schilling deal to the Diamondbacks was a horrible trade for
Travis Lee and pitchers Omar Daal, Vicente Padilla and Nelson Figueroa...


here are some more horrible trades......

Bobby Abreu for Kevin Stocker
Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek for Heathcliffe Slocumb

Einar Diaz for Travis Hafner

Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz

Orioles send Curt Schilling, Pete Harnisch and Steve Finley to Astros for Glenn Davis

Yankees send Buhner to Mariners for Ken Phelps

A's send Mark McGwire to Cardinals for pitchers T.J. Mathews, Eric Ludwick and Blake Stein

Blue Jays send David Cone to Yankees for pitchers Marty Janzsen, Jason Jarvis and Mike Gordon

I guess I'm a homer on this one, but I think the worst trade HAS to be the AJ for Nathan/Cisco/Bonser trade.

They traded a catcher that they didn't even need (because they have the best catcher in the game now who was ready) for a top 2 closer in the game, a top 2 starting pitcher in the game when healthy (with Santana), and a still fairly solid innings-eater starter.

Oh ya, and AJ lasted exactly 1 year in a Giant uniform.

THAT is the best trade in history (unless maybe you count Babe Ruth).

Oh, and I completely agree on Werth. He can be a HUGE bargain for someone. I'm hoping it's my Twins as a DH/LF/bench candidate.

Well at the time. Aj was one of the best hitting catchers in the game. THe giants were in the hunt and needed a bat.

Liriano was an oft injured prospect who hadnt too many signs of promise.

Omar is going to re-sign Zambrano, he just doesnt want to give him the money he would of gotten. As an Arbitration eligible player Omar would have to give him at least 80% of his previous years salary, which could have happened but never did, it would only of cost Omar $2.4 Million. But I'm sure he has every intent to resign Zambrano and not make his team look foolish. (Although the whole baseball world has been laughing at them for 2 years)

"And if one thing is abundantly clear, even below-average starting pitching is a very expensive commodity right now.

In other news, the Mets re-signed Dave Williams to a one-year deal"

hahaha...
I would love to see Claussen back in pinstripes trying to work out his problems at AAA.

Toby Hall has been coveted by the yanks for some time now and I'm sure they'll offer him sumthin good, I would also love to see Tsao, if healthy.

Now the wors trade in history..

Orioles send Curt Schilling, Pete Harnisch and Steve Finley to Astros for Glenn Davis; this has to be in my mind the worst trade. Davis did next to nothing (besides getting into a bar fight a week after he arrived in Baltimore and getting his jaw broken)

Next is the Bagwell trade

up there has to be the other RJ trade: Expos send Randy Johnson, Brian Holman and Gene Harris to Mariners for Mark Langston
This was when RJ was still a wee lad and had control problems, so much for that huh?

How about when the Mets traded Seaver for garbage?

The list gos on and on

You guys are pretty hilarious, I will throw one more trade out there as a Cardinals fan:

Ozzie Smith for Gary Templeton!>>!?!

anyone mention the lou brock trade

here are some more bad trades:
1.Mariners send Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek for Heathcliff Slocumb
2.Rangers send Wilson Alvarez and Sammy Sosa to White Sox for Harold Baines
3.Expos send Randy Johnson for Mark Langston
4.Lou Brock for Ernie Bigilo
5.Mest send Tom Seaver to Reds for who knows
thats all i ahve for now

Ok, I have a really bad one.

Jason Hirsh, Willy Taveras, and Taylor Bucholtz for Jason Freakin' Jennings.

"Dude, A Scott Kazmir with a peg leg and an eye patch would be better than Victor Zambrano. Perhaps some short sighted owner will get confused and think its Carlos Zambrano...otherwise this guy should be cleaning bathroom stalls at a Jamba Juice"

I find this comment absolutely priceless from a guy whos team just signed jason marquis to a multi year, multi million dollar deal. Zambrano is so much better then Marquis its funny. If somebody could just teach this guy some control he could actually be a good pitcher. He was finally showing some signs with the mets, pitchign about 15 good innings in a row before he went down. When hes around the strike zone hes nasty, his pitches have so much natural movement its hard for him to control. He would be a very good risk for some team. I posted this somewhere else, but as a met fan i couldnt be happier with the kazmir trade. Thats the price for shocking the system. The end result of that trade was kazmir for zambrano, minaya, pedro, beltran, wagner, delgado, lo duca. Ill make that trade every single day

wasnt mike cameron involved in the griffey deal also?

Jimbo dave williams was signed to be the long reliever. And he was actually very servicable in a mets uniform. He got absolutely lit up in 1 game, and the rest of his starts were pretty good.

"find this comment absolutely priceless from a guy whos team just signed jason marquis to a multi year, multi million dollar deal. Zambrano is so much better then Marquis its funny."

Dude, I hate Jason Marquis with such a burning passion there is no way to describe it. That signing just killed my hopes that they were starting to build this offseason. Such is the life of a Cubs fan...but Jason Marquis? Come on....this guy is the epitome of suck.

I see alot of teams taking interest in Jayson Werth. I think that guy could be really good.

Didn't Pinella have Zambrano in TB? Maybe he can find the strike zone as a setup man in cubs bullpen. As a cub fan I would start looking where to send the good Zambrano since he will get $20 mill a year next yr.

Cubs are in win now mode, so shipping Zambrano would completely contradict their current offseason moves. They need him to win.

If they are out by July 31, they'll trade him.

Not sure about that - if they can work a 3 way and get Pelfry, Haren, Saarloos I wouldn't complain

oh he was pretty good says the mets fan, 4 starts, other then the game he gave up 9 ER doesnt really cut it to be pretty good.

His ERA with the mets was 6.00. Enough said.

Besides, that was meant to be funny, I dont really care what he was signed for that thats the way I read it and I got a real good laugh out of it.

There's no way the Cubs dont throw every last cent at Zambrano and a multi year deal ASAP.

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