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Florida Teams Talking Trade?

Here's a rumor I missed from Jayson Stark's column on Friday.  Stark notes:

"Despite talk of the Marlins and Devil Rays reviving their long-rumored deal involving Rocco Baldelli, Florida actually appears to be more focused on the younger (and cheaper) B.J. Upton and Elijah Dukes as center field possibilities."

That makes sense, but what would Florida give up at this point?  Scott Olsen has to be off-limits.  Josh Johnson is hurting.  Anibal Sanchez's shoulder inflammation has died down, but he's still a risk.  Ricky Nolasco might be reasonable, though it would chip away at the team's strength.  Nolasco for Dukes seems fair.  Nolasco has maybe a 20% chance at becoming a star, while Dukes hovers around 40-50% (based on BP's Stars and Scrubs charts).  Dukes's off the field stuff would even out the trade.

Meanwhile, Peter Gammons wrote on February 28th:

"[The Marlins] are not trading any of their good young pitchers to fill center field. They know every good team has flaws, and it's a lot more difficult to get by with a pitching hole than with a center fielder like Eric Reed who, at worst, runs down balls."

John Perrotto of Baseball Prospectus mentions another lower-cost possibility for Florida - Cory Sullivan of Colorado.

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how about volstad?

Hmmm I didn't think of Volstad...that could make some sense.

The Rays need young pitching that could help at the major league level right now and Volstad is too far away from the show.

If the Rays already rejected Upton for Nolasco, there is no way Dukes for Nolasco could be done. Dukes has more value than Upton right now hands down. In addition, with Upton showing ability to play multiple positions in spring training, his value is only going to go up.

A trade for Nolasco would not make sense at all for the Rays. They already have pleanty of mediocre pitching prospects and Nolasco seems unlikely to be the top young starter they need. He would probably be no better than half of the guys competeing for the #5 spot right now.

If the Marlins were going to trade one of their young starters, they could get far in away more than a CF.

Remember they got Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Beckett and throw in Lowell.

More than a few teams would be interested in Johnson/Olsen/Sanchez.

I'm not overly familiar with the marlins prospects/roster but Cubs may need a catcher after Barrett leaves. Perhaps if Fla had some C prospect and low grade minor leaguer for Angel Pagan? I love pagan and think he just needs to play but with Pie, Sori and murton he will be a rarely used 4th OF for yrs - I think he is a servicable CF with decent longterm outlook we should get something back for him.

touchmymonkey - ever heard of Jake Fox? He's already in the cubs system and some people think he is going to be better than Barrett. I don't know where people came up with the idea that the cubs need a new catcher.

I am still holding out hope that the Braves and D-Rays can work out a deal for Baldelli or even Upton.

I believe that if Escobar continues to impress and Davies, Cormier, and Villareal continue to pitch well this spring that the Rays would possibly listen to a deal that would send one of Davies/Villareal/Cormier along with Escobar for Baldelli.

"I am still holding out hope that the Braves and D-Rays can work out a deal for Baldelli or even Upton.

I believe that if Escobar continues to impress and Davies, Cormier, and Villareal continue to pitch well this spring that the Rays would possibly listen to a deal that would send one of Davies/Villareal/Cormier along with Escobar for Baldelli."

I think the Braves would have done that deal in a heart beat the day before spring training. But with all the pitchers impressing, they may not get full value for their current performance. Not to mention Diaz is absolutely destroying spring training pitching, and the need for a left fielder is becoming less and less. The D-Rays kind of shot themselves in the foot with this one, the Braves will probably offer less than they originally did.

'They know every good team has flaws, and it's a lot more difficult to get by with a pitching hole than with a center fielder like Eric Reed who, at worst, runs down balls.'

He'd better be Corey Patterson and Carlos Beltran with the glove, because his bat is below replacement.

1) The Rays shot themselves in the foot by letting Diaz go for nothing.
2) The Rays need more offense more than they need more pitching. I don't think they will be trading any of their young hitters for a while yet.

oh yeah, and there may still be space for Upton in the IF. Even with his problems, is he any worse than Cantu?

From what i remember, Cantu had a 20hr 100RBI season while Upton has had 30 some errors in 2 years, so the comparison between Upton and Cantu is unfair.

The team that should get in on Baldelli is the O's.

Send Patterson Penn and Hoey.. that should get it done

A few of the guys on the DBacks board were discussing a Krynzel & Jorge Julio + cash deal to FL for an OK pitching prospect.

DBacks will likely have to trade Krynzel and he would make an decent and cheap CF option.

I predict either Crawford or Baldelli will go to the Whitesox. The Whitesox have a real iffy situation in CF and now LF and picked up alot of good arms this offseason, which is what TB wants in return for Baldelli or Crawford. Heath Phillips, John Danks, Gio Gonzalez, Andrew Sisco, Nick Masset, Charlie Haeger and Lance Broadway are all great trade bait.

"Remember they got Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Beckett and throw in Lowell."

Looking back, the trade for Sanchez and Ramirez looks a lot better now than it did then. Ramirez played much better than his minor league numbers would have suggested and I do not think anyone would have forseen Sanchez to throw a no-hitter in 2006.

However, in reference to your statement, there is a big difference between trading Beckett and Olson/Johnson/Sanchez. While Beckett had an established career in the major leagues and an MVP in the World Series under his belt, Olson/Johnson/Sanchez have about a year each in the books and would not be worth the same bounty as Beckett and Mike "salary dump" Lowell. While Olson and Sanchez seems ready to build upon last season, it seems likely Johnson will regress in 2007. In addition, there are numerous injury concerns with Johnson so the depth of the Marlins rotation is in jeopardy.

"Hmmm I didn't think of Volstad...that could make some sense."

Roto, a trade for Volstad would make zero sense. The Rays already have a plethora of young arms in the low minors better or just as good as Volastad. The Rays have already made it known that if they trade for someone, it would be a player who could make an impact at the major league level right now. Volstad is still a couple years away and would not be what the Rays need or want.

"I believe that if Escobar continues to impress and Davies, Cormier, and Villareal continue to pitch well this spring that the Rays would possibly listen to a deal that would send one of Davies/Villareal/Cormier along with Escobar for Baldelli."

Davies/Villareal/Cormier are no better than the 6 guys the Rays have competing for the #5 spot in the rotation. The only pitcher the rays would be interested in would be Chuck James.

In case you were not aware, the Rays have the 3rd best shortstop prospect in the game in Reid Brignac and have zero need for Escobar. Both are at the same level in the minors and Brignac should be making his major league debut eas early as September.

"1) The Rays shot themselves in the foot by letting Diaz go for nothing.
2) The Rays need more offense more than they need more pitching. I don't think they will be trading any of their young hitters for a while yet."

Obviously you do not know the Rays system well.

Many Rays fans were dumbfounded to hear that we just released Diaz. However, at the time we had a ton of outfield depth and most likely just didn't have room on the 40 man roster for him. More than likely he was claimed off waivers. At the time he was a 26 year outfielder.

While the Rays do have a lot of young pitching depth at the major league level, their offense is by far their strength. In 2007, they have 7 players capable of 20+ HR, 5 players capable of batting .300+, and 7 players capable of 20+ stolen bases.

2007 DL breakdown:

Baldelli - Missed 2 months
Lugo - Missed 1 month
Cantu - Missed 1 1/2 months
Wigginton - Missed 1 month
Gomes - Missed 1 month, played 3 1/2 months with injured shoulder

The Rays' regulars actually had good offensive numbers, a batting average over .280 and an OBP over .340. The reason that their overall offensive stats were so bad is because of all the injuries. They were forced to play scrubs like Travis Lee, Tomas Perez, Russell Branyan, Damon Hollins, and Kevit Witt as everyday players. They combined to hit below .220 with an OBP around .260.

In addition to having everyone back healthy, the Rays also have Delmon Young and Iwamura playing everyday, with stud young players Upton and Dukes getting 300-400 at bats off the bench.

"From what i remember, Cantu had a 20hr 100RBI season while Upton has had 30 some errors in 2 years, so the comparison between Upton and Cantu is unfair.

The team that should get in on Baldelli is the O's.

Send Patterson Penn and Hoey.. that should get it done"

Cantu had 28 HR and 117 RBI in 2005. In 2006 he had a couple freak injuries (foul ball off the foot, collision with Greg Norton) that kept him off the field for 1/3 of the season.

While I understand your argument for a Rocco trade to the Orioles, what you are offering the Rays makes zero sense. First off, if the Rays did trade Rocco it would be to open up a spot in the outfield for Dukes or Upton, both of which would play over Patterson. Secondly, Penn has very little trade value and would be worse than more than half the pitchers the Rays have in camp right now.

In the offseason there were rumors that the rays were asking for Chris Ray and Adam Loewen for Baldelli.

"I predict either Crawford or Baldelli will go to the Whitesox. The Whitesox have a real iffy situation in CF and now LF and picked up alot of good arms this offseason, which is what TB wants in return for Baldelli or Crawford. Heath Phillips, John Danks, Gio Gonzalez, Andrew Sisco, Nick Masset, Charlie Haeger and Lance Broadway are all great trade bait."

I think with Sweeny, Owens and Anderson waiting in the wings, the White Sox OF situation doesn't look that bad. However, considering that Dye will be a FA soon and the White Sox have little faith in Erstad and Podsednik, I could see a trade with the Rays a reasonable possibility.

Like you said, the White Sox have a lot of SP depth and would make great trade partners with the Rays. I see Rocco Baldelli being the most likely to be traded between the teams. I could see a combination of Danks and 1-2 of the following pitchers being a good return for Baldelli : Gonzalez, Haeger, Masset, Sisco, Broadway.

delmonmvp
I am aware that Diaz was older and was being squeezed out. But it still would have nice to have seen some return for the guy. But good for him for carving out a career. The "shot in the foot" thing had to do with the Braves fan's comment that Diaz was doing so well that the Braves don't need Baldelli.

I am also aware that the Rays suffered lots of injuries last year. They also scored the least of the entire MLB. It would be foolish to trade away what cheap depth they have just so that if they suffer more key injuries they'll have no decent replacements.

I would have interest in seeing Upton here definitely. A package of Nolasco and a lower level prospect like Thompson for him would be interesting for both teams. Nolasco was solid as a starter for his first year and projects well as a possible future closer as well. Thompson would give them another younger arm to add to their own cadre down there to build around for the future. You never know how many young arms will make it and how many wont.

Other options are Gaby Hernandez, Jose Garcia could be moved.

I personally would take Dukes but I would rather not have him on this team. I dont trust him with his problems, heck it has been about a month and a half since his last arrest it is about time for another one.

Either way with the fish pitching situation still in question (tank, johnson and now West is going to see dr. andrews) I dont see us moving anything more then a minor league talent away for something.

I think a Wilts for a cheap prospect would make more sense for us then going for one of TB's group. Even though I would love a lineup with upton 1st and Hanley 2nd.

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