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Marlins Could Trade Scott Olsen

23 year-old southpaw Scott Olsen is very talented, but he's earned a reputation as a bit of a hothead.  Take a look at his history: six incidents, including his Saturday arrest.  Performance is 99% of what matters in baseball, though, so Olsen would be very popular on the trade market.  Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post speculates that the Marlins could make a push to trade him.

The Marlins still need a center fielder, so that would figure to be the top target in an Olsen trade.  They had previously entertained sending Olsen to the Devil Rays for B.J. Upton or Joey Gathright.  The chance for Upton has passed, and Gathright is a Royal now.  I imagine the Royals would make the move in a heartbeat.

Here's a scenario that might make sense for both teams: Olsen to the Diamondbacks for Chris Young.  Young should become a very solid center fielder, but he's likely to be overtaken by Justin Upton in 2008.  The Diamondbacks have been said to be on the lookout for young pitching, and Olsen is perfect. 

The Marlins are kicking around moving Hanley Ramirez to center field next year, though that would just create a new hole at shortstop.   

Of course I have to make the obligatory Jarrod Saltalamacchia reference.  Olsen would be a fine addition to Atlanta's staff, and the Marlins would replace Miguel Olivo as his salary starts to rise.

Can you think of any other reasonable scenarios? Leave 'em in the comments.

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"Of course I have to make the obligatory Jarrod Saltalamacchia reference."

Oh great you've done it now.

This shouldnt be about Olsen but rather about Dontrelle Willis. When are the Marlins finally going to trade this guys while he some value if any left at all???? Hes 7-9 with a 5 plus ERA and he is getting bombed with each outing. Ihave no idea why the marlins are not looking tomove him. As his stock continues to drop his price goes up each year of abitration. With the Marlins seeking a new stadium they should really consider moving Willis. My advice for them is to cut your loses with him becuase he obviously needs a change of scenary. They have a tremendous talent in Cabrera, who they should focus thier attention to building around. The Marlins have many suitors for Willis. And their suitors have very good prosepects to offer. The Mets could offer many different prospects. Example: Milledge and Pelfrey for Willis or Gomez and Humber/Pelfrey. It would help with Florida's outfield situation and give them a young stud of an arm.

How 'bout to the Nats for Ryan Church, part of a package to the D-Rays for Brendan Harris, part of a package for Dejesus or Gathright straight up(maybe A PTBA from KC), to Colo for Tavarez, Astros for Chris Burke or Luke Scott, Braves for Escobar, Phills for Bourn, Reds for Freel, Giants for Lewis

Given that Olsen absolutely hates the Phillies, but certainly can pitch, I think it would be fun for all concerned to see him come to the Phils for Michael Bourn.

The move would be a risk, but the prospect of Hamels and Olsen leading the rotation for years to come is pretty sweet.

I know Bowden's been looking to deal Cordero for a while and he loves "troubled" players. I think as a player, Olsen's probably worth more than Cordero straight up, but possibly a deal centered on those two. Cordero's a lot younger than Benitez and, at least lately, has been much more effective, so he'd be more helpful to the Marlins, though I have no idea how much they're paying Benitez or anything like that.

Olsen to the Mets for Milledge plus something else? Both players have had some trouble and might need a change in scenery, and it fills a need for both teams.

I don't see Olsen in the DBacks future, especially for Young. Young is a cheap CF who has hit 15HR in his first half season (albeit with a .231 BA).

When Justin comes up there is room in either LF or RF if need be.

There is a possible Cliff Lee trade coming soon too, and for a similar reason... (well at least the fighting with teammates part)

Lee had an argument with Martinez in the dugout during yesterdays game. It’s actually the second time the two have been in a fight (once before late in 04 season); and Lee has had numerous problems with his anger/mouth in the past. To add to it, Cliff has been pitching horrible as of late and it’s been rumored that he is not listening to the coaches who are trying to help him out of the slump. The team had a closed door meeting after yesterdays game…

Giving this some validity is the fact that Aaron Laffey is about to be added to the Indians roster. He was yanked out of his AAA start this morning after 48pitches; Tory Lovullo (the Buffalo manager) stated after the Buffalo game that he was called after the Tribe-Ranger game and told to put Laffey on the 50pitch limit. Laffey is not currently on the 40man (so room would need to be made there), and has never been a reliever making it unlikely he will get his debut in that role. The short start today would set him up nicely to pitch on 3 days rest while taking Lee’s Thursday spot in the rotation.

It’s also possible Lee could be optioned to the minors instead of being dealt, but the team still needs room on the 40man and some roster move is about to take place…

What about to the Mariners? They've been on a bit of a surge as of late and could def use a good young arm. Felix & Olsen could be a solid 1,2 punch for many years to come & they've got some young talent in the OF that they could ship out... maybe even throw in a RP.

Can we please refrain from comparing Milledge to Olsen? Milledge never fought teammates or evaded/assaulted police. A change of scenery? Alou and Green will both be gone at the end of the season, so he's got a starting spot lined up.

Oh, and you guys are crazy if you think the Mets would give up Milledge, Pelfrey, or Gomez to get Willis. The fish waited too long to deal him. His value has plummeted.

For the record, I wouldn't deal Milledge or Gomez for Olsen either.

What about to the Dodgers for Andre Ethier or Delwyn Young? Although the Marlins would rather have Matt Kemp, I doubt the Dodgers would trade him.

Young for Olsen??? no way AZ does that...

Milledge did, however, get in trouble for sexual misconduct (with a minor) in high school.

While the Royals wanting a right handed center fielder, has anyone else considered the Phils trading Rowand for Greinke?

I meant while the Royals wanting a right handed hitting center fielder was ruled out...

Yeah... Milledge had sex with a minor who was his then-GF. That's a far cry from trying to beat up cops.

A trade that seems just about perfect for both sides...Trade between crosstown teams.

Elijah Dukes and Chad Orvella(Could use a change of scenary) for Scott Olsen.

Marlins have shown interest in the troubled Dukes and still wouldent mind him and Dukes would be the instant CF that they desire. Orvella can also be used in their bullpen if need be. While TB gets a SP to accomodate Shields and Kazmir, even though Olsen like Dukes has some law problems too.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Trade trouble for trouble to fill voids on each respective team.

Dukes for Olson. Both have a boatload of talent and both have had anger issues with teammates. Change a scenery could bennifit both players and their respective teams. Marlins get their centerfielder and Rays get a talented young arm.

I like it.

that's a lot of young lefties for the rays. granted they need any talent they can get for their rotation, but with him, kazmir, david price, j.p. howell if he ever gets consistent. i guess you can't ever have too much pitching though. heck if they called up neimann they'd actually have a semi-credible pitching staff right now

Curious where is the trading of Olsen coming out of? Also where is the moving Hanley speculation coming from?

Since about 2 weeks before the all star break Hanley's defense has been stellar and getting better and better.

As for Olsen if the value of Brett Myers hasnt dropped after beating his wife then Olsen's value hasnt either.

The fish wont trade pitching that young and cheap unless they indeed get value back like Chris Young.

Olsen for Dukes is foolish wishing for Drays fans

I should add also that the rumors before over Gathright and Upton were more based on the Drays then coming out from the Fish.

:)

Change of scenery?

He'll still have teammates in his new scene. There will still be alcohol and cops where he'll next pitch. In my opinion, I wouldn't want to trade anything of value for this guy. As far as his attitude and off the field issues, you'd be hard pressed to find much worse than Scott Olsen. Here's something to consider. If Scott Olsen was african-american or hispanic, would his huge issues be magnified? Would people be talking so acceptingly about having him on their teams?

Yes...I think most of the posters on this site would Teetz. What race the guy is doesn't matter to me or most of us here. What matters is that he is a 23 years old pitcher with a high ceiling...and a TON of people would love to take a chance on that.

However, I think he is probably trouble too...I remember thinking when I saw that news on the ticker...man, this guy is stupid, they need to send him down just to make a point. Anyway, I know what you are saying...but young cheap pitching is always worth a lot...

boomswha, don't forget about Jacob McGee. Price, McGee and Davis could all be up sometime next season.

teetz,

Are you serious? That was just a flat out stupid post with the whole Black/Hispanic thing... That was racism at its best man, congrats.

But you probably won't believe that so let's think about who people want for a sec:
- SD fans were overjoyed to get Bradley (someone with worse issues) ~ humm, that doesn't fit your implication that everyone is racist...
- Most people have tried to figure out a way that Dukes (someone with worse issues) would end up on their teams ~ well, that didn't fit either...
- people are split on Millidge (not as problimatic as the others); some really want him, some don't ~ you might have had something here except for the fact that the people who don't want him point to needs of their team, his bad play and being fearful of NY hype making him seem like more of a prospect then he is. Those same fans also say they would rather have Gomez quite often, is he white? So you missed here too I guess...


Lastly I wanted to ask ~ how do you know the race of all the posters here on the board anyway? For all you know we could be 40%B/40%H/20%W... How does your theory hold up if the people you claim want Olsen are infact not white?

Besides, who even said that they really want him on their team anyway? The Phils fan is the closest, and he just said it would be fun to see...

So please get a clue before you start implying everything ever done just proves the world is racist, when it is infact people making statements like yours who are trying to cause race issues where there are none... Does it exist in the world, yep ~ does it play into the Olsen/Bradly/Dukes/Millidge thing at all? Nope, it doesn't and bringing it into that situation would actually be racist...

teetz,

Are you serious? That was just a flat out stupid post with the whole Black/Hispanic thing... That was racism at its best man, congrats.

But you probably won't believe that so let's think about who people want for a sec:
- SD fans were overjoyed to get Bradley (someone with worse issues) ~ humm, that doesn't fit your implication that everyone is racist...
- Most people have tried to figure out a way that Dukes (someone with worse issues) would end up on their teams ~ well, that didn't fit either...
- people are split on Millidge (not as problimatic as the others); some really want him, some don't ~ you might have had something here except for the fact that the people who don't want him point to needs of their team, his bad play and being fearful of NY hype making him seem like more of a prospect then he is. Those same fans also say they would rather have Gomez quite often, is he white? So you missed here too I guess...


Lastly I wanted to ask ~ how do you know the race of all the posters here on the board anyway? For all you know we could be 40%B/40%H/20%W... How does your theory hold up if the people you claim want Olsen are infact not white?

Besides, who even said that they really want him on their team anyway? The Phils fan is the closest, and he just said it would be fun to see...

So please get a clue before you start implying everything ever done just proves the world is racist, when it is infact people making statements like yours who are trying to cause race issues where there are none... Does it exist in the world, yep ~ does it play into the Olsen/Bradly/Dukes/Millidge thing at all? Nope, it doesn't and bringing it into that situation would actually be racist...

darkstar, sorry to offend you but the truth may hurt. My post was intended mainly for media purposes. It is absolutely common to see african-american and hispanic players treated much differently than white players, whether it's in bad form or not. For instance, subconsciously, you will always see players being compared to other players merely because they look similar (race, skin color). I.E. Dontrelle Willis to Doc Gooden, Felix Pie to Corey Patterson...etc.

Additionally, Scott Olsen is just as bad, if not worse, than Elijah Dukes and Milton Bradley. And while Milton Bradley gets an Outside the Lines on throwing a plastic bottle at a fan, Scott Olsen gets a blurb about giving a black eye to a teammate, starting a fight with the star player on your team, severe insubordination to the manager of the year, and driving around drunk while trying to drop kick policeman all within a year span.

Elijah Dukes, Milton Bradley, Dmitri Young, Josh Hamilton have been, by all accounts, good teammates. Scott Olsen has been the worst teammate I've ever heard of in baseball...ever. He's not just a guy with off-the-field troubles. He's a guy who, legitimately, will cause riffs on the team and affect play on the field.

Me, offended? Not in the least… like I said, you had no knowledge of the situation which you were passing judgment on (you don’t know the race of the people on the board), and instead tried to make a situation be the case where there was none. That being the case, there would never be a reason to be offended… If there was actually “truth” to your claim it might be different as well, but I can’t see where in the world this “truth” is so…

But, since you claim it to be the case; did/do people treat Olsen differently than others? You seem to be acting as though he has gotten a free pass, but I listed to the radio nearly all day on Sat while hearing “what is wrong with this nut”, “this guy needs to be locked away so he doesn’t hurt somebody”, “If the Fish release him, its too bad that some other team will give him a shot because of his talent”, etc… We are now hearing the team might do what all the other teams have thought of doing with these types of players, and trade him away. Seems the same course to me; I don’t see his treatment any different!

Olsen is just as bad, if not worse then Bradley though? “Milton Bradley gets an Outside the Lines on throwing a plastic bottle at a fan”… Huh? You do realize that’s not all he has on his track record right? There are also these little issues:
~ choking his wife and multiple domestic situations
~ nearly coming to blows with a reporter during the LA-Stl 05 playoff series calling the reporter a sell-out because he questioned how fans were treating him
~ calling Jeff Kent out to the media, and even on the radio, as a raciest ~ for atleast a week ~ because Kent said he didn’t hustle (something people have said for years about him BTW, including Ellis Burks and Eddie Murray, and what got him booted from Cleveland)
~ throwing the temper-tantrum after an ejection which resulted in his leaving his gear in the on-deck circle and throwing an entire basket of baseballs on the field while blaming the incident on a umpire who he claims was out to get him for years
~ screaming at Eric Wedge in Cleveland after he was benched for not running to first on a pop-up during preseason
~ 3-day Jail stay while also with Cle because he was pulled over and refused to stay in the car instead insisting on fighting with the cops
~ fighting with batting coach Gerald Perry while with Oak, etc…

Oh, and he’s such a clubhouse favorite that Eddie Murray said this about him while both were with the Indians: "He'll bark at you for no reason at all. I don't like the way he treats people."… And did you know that a Tribe teammate of his actually posted a sign in the locker room saying “Shut up and play” after he tried to insight problems between the Tribe and Royals? Good teammate? Well… ok…

But that’s the thing, Bradley has been made fun of in the media (for good reason) just the same, but “posters on this board” were excited about his being available just a few weeks ago…


Oh, and you might be right about Willis being compared to Gooden (I thought it was Juan Marichal because of delivery and ‘stuff’ though); Pie on the other hand has been compared to Beltran, not Patterson. If he ever has been compared to Cory it probably has something to do with the fact they were in the same exact situation (ie, Chi CFers with tons of hype and potential with no results so far).

In fact thinking about it a bit more, I think Milton Bradley fits what I was saying rather perfectly! He has constantly yelled and screamed that he was treated differently because he was black, but the truth is that he was treated differently because he was a complete self-centered jackass with a horrible temper and overall major issues, who would blow up at the most common or minor thing… He was so worried about being discriminated against that he would create problems and tried to force us to believe he was being treated differently because of his skin color. Its reverse racism, its making a problem where there isn’t one just to act as though it’s a situation of “poor me, I can’t get ahead because of my skin”… Want to use race issues as a problem, then use it properly ~ don’t randomly throw it where it doesn’t belong though!

Thanks for the novel Darkstar, continue living in your fantasy world where everyone is treated equally....everywhere. As I said before, and you continually ignore, I am stating that a lot of people, mainly media, will subconsciously and consciously give Olsen an easier time than they would a black or hispanic athlete.

As far as Pie/Patterson goes, there was an article written in the Sun-Times comparing the two using no statistical analysis whatsoever. Corey and Felix are pretty much exact opposites mentally, but this was a blatant play on the fact they were both dark skinned lefties with speed. This is exactly the stuff I am talking about (along with Dontrelle and Doc Gooden...which I think Peter Gammons kept harping on). It's obvious that it's out there and I don't care about the select few blog posters and there races/etc. You really need to let go of your hatred of Milton Bradley. Regardless of his off the field issues, he's never physically fought three different teammates, the manager, and a clubhouse attendant.....in his first year and a half in the league!!!!

P.S. In Major League 2, Jack Parkman (white dude) was adored by fans while Willie Mays Hayes (black dude) was considered a jerk when all he was trying to do was improve his abysmal slugging percentage. Total B.S.

actually the marlins are starting him wednesday they have stated he isnt for trade on tv (sunday sports rap), they have not suspended or punished him. the players are calling him their brother and close friend and want to help him if he needs it. He has lways been considered a good clubhouse presence despite his problems, strange as it sounds.

I havent seen a major media source or specially a source to the team saying they want to move Olsen and specially not relase him. This kid did something very stupid but only hurt himself (literately). Perhaps it will make him grow up.

Teetz,

I know what you are saying...but the fact that they were both dark skinned lefties with speed is NOT why they wrote that article. They wrote that article because they were BOTH the Cubs top prospects and center fielders, both came into the majors, and Corey failed. They were comparing the two to see if anything showed what would happen this time around, because the situation is eerily similar. They are two different races, completely different personalities, and not a whole lot a like. However, they do both possess speed, both were HUGE prospects, both Cubs TOP prospects, both center fielders, both strike out way too much, both have too long of swings. I think the paper was just comparing the two, and I think it had nothing to do with race.

I do agree with you that the media may be a little biased....and I too think its dumb. However, lets not bring their stupidity on this site. We, as knowledgeable baseball fans, should be able to distinguish those things ourselves, which is the point of this site.

Teetz,

Did I not say racism actually exists? I understand what you are saying ~ just saying it should only be used where it actually makes sense… Bringing it up here in this situation was absolutely pointless and if you want to talk about racism being in the world, implying a bunch of people of unknown race seem to want Olson more than other guys with black skin (when they actually didn’t) with just as bad of problems is just stupid…

I don’t hate Bradley, I was telling the “truth”… The “truth” is that his teammates hated him, his coaches hated him, the fans hated him and he just kept screaming it was because people treat him differently because he’s black! People of colored skin were telling him he was lazy and didn’t hustle and he did nothing, people of light skin say the same thing and he goes off on them to the media… The guy said some ump was out to get him because he was black! He called a black reporter a sell-out because he didn’t praise him over being booed by fans! See the problem with him there? The guy has major issues, and me saying he isn’t this loveable guy you made claim to isn’t me hating on him one bit…

Like I said, Milton tries to use the race card as if it will somehow mean he can do whatever he wants and act like a complete jerk ~ as if his problems have nothing to do with him being lazy, short tempered, and abusive…


Say “racism exists” all you want, I wont disagree; just don’t try to act like everyone on this board is probably subconsciously racist because one guy (of unknown race) said they would like to see him in Philly. There are a lot bigger issues in the world than a white guy getting tore up in the media as a waste of human life, but him *possibly* not being torn up *quite as much* as someone else *might* have been because some reporter *might* subconsciously think a little differently because the reporter is white!

Its just a matter of ~ what the heck did you bring it up here for as if it had anything to do with what we were talking about ~ AND ~ it isn’t even true since the board wanted Bradley, Dukes and even Millidge more than the one poster here who said anything about his team… The baseball world didn’t come out and say “forgive Olsen because he isn’t as bad as so-and-so black guy who didn’t do as much” ~ Olsen was actually clumped right in there with Packman Jones, Michael Vick, Tim Donaghy and the other pieces of trash bring down the sports!


And you brought up a movie and an article by a moron (neither of which pertain to the Olsen situation) to prove to me racism exists? You’re kidding me, right?

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