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According to David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Andruw Jones has priced himself out of the Braves' range and will not be returning next year. O'Brien says Scott Boras' starting point was seven years and nearly $20MM annually. So basically no discount at all despite Jones' terrible season. Boras would be a true magician to pull that off.
All of this just goes to confirm the sentiment from a few days ago. But don't think this frees up a ton of money for the Braves to spend on Torii Hunter. As I noted earlier, a $95MM payroll (a $7MM increase from last year) would probably just buy the Braves their current roster without Andruw or Octavio Dotel. The raises are that significant.
When it's all said and done, I still think Boras and Jones will accept a significantly discounted contract in both years and average annual value.
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That's insane. He could have landed that a couple of years ago maybe, but 7/$20MM is ridiculous. I don't even know what to say...
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | October 02, 2007 at 04:18 PM
How about Mark Kotsay?
He's had some injury problems over the last few years, but he still plays a mean CF defensively. He has experience in the NL East with FLA and is pretty solid with the bat. He isn't gonna be a HR threat like the Braves are used to, but his value is at a career low.
If Atlanta could get him at a cheap enough price, why not? He only has one year left on his contract and could be a perfect fit in regards to Jordan Schafer's development.
Posted by: speedchaser9 | October 02, 2007 at 04:22 PM
Lester, Coco, and Hansen or .222/.311/.413, OPS+ of 88 and 7yr/160mm. Tough call. Thinking Theo nailed that one.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 02, 2007 at 04:27 PM
Just thought I would remind everyone that Mike Hampton earns 15 million dollars in 2008.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 02, 2007 at 04:31 PM
Not sure if a 7 yr contract would've been a good idea regardless of his season this year. He would be 38 during the final season. Very risky.
Posted by: kab21 | October 02, 2007 at 04:39 PM
What are the odds that he makes 15 starts this year?
Could they look into signing someone like a Corey Patterson? I don't know what kind of deal he'd be seeking, but if you can get him on a 2yr or 3yr deal then that wouldn't be bad.
Posted by: JerseyMuscle17 | October 02, 2007 at 04:39 PM
Go Mike Hampton!
I hate Boras, and I am just a fan. I don't necessarily think he has his client's best interests in mind, unless that client's only concern is cold, hard cash.
Posted by: mymrbig | October 02, 2007 at 04:40 PM
Most players who choose Boras as an agent have that as their primary concern, I would think.
The Arod thing should be interesting, because I _don't_ think that's his primary concern.
Anyway, good for the Braves. Boras is going to look like a fool when Jones signs for less than his "starting point."
I've got no problem with Boras, but still it would be nice to see him fail once in awhile. I think there are no shortage of stupid MLB teams for that to happen though.
Posted by: bobo | October 02, 2007 at 04:45 PM
Washington bound?
Posted by: DaFrigginGreatest | October 02, 2007 at 04:51 PM
Is it possible that the owners ban together and form their own little union to ban against Boras and refuse to deal with him unless he's willing to be reasonable?
I'm tired of baseball economics being so lopsided and the CBA moves forward so slowly
Posted by: TommyL31 | October 02, 2007 at 05:11 PM
If only they hadn't emptied they're farm system! However, I am sure the Reds would take spare parts for Griffey (Sr, at this point). He would replace Jones bat, but not glove.
Posted by: DocBot | October 02, 2007 at 05:12 PM
"I've got no problem with Boras, but still it would be nice to see him fail once in awhile."
He did, with Dice-k and A. Jones' last contract.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 02, 2007 at 05:12 PM
What about to the Padres? If they would have had a CF last night they would of easily won, Clark blew the game by missing 2 catchable balls.
Posted by: Barroid_Bonds | October 02, 2007 at 05:45 PM
Nice call **SpeedChaser9** on Mark Kotsay, he would be perfect... Only problem I see is that (I think) he is due to make $12Mil+ in 2008, and there is no way the Braves could afford that (at least from what I've been reading). I wonder if (he by himself) would be worth Renteria?
Posted by: DonCoburleone | October 02, 2007 at 06:23 PM
Here's an idea: How about Kotsay and Blanton for Renteria, Jo Jo Reyes, and a B to B+ level prospect?? I think I would do that if I'm Atlanta...
Posted by: DonCoburleone | October 02, 2007 at 06:25 PM
Here is another option that again will probably be much more likely because of strong ties, david Dejesus coming to atlanta for a package such as martin prado and blaine boyer. That type of deal is much more probable, because dayton moore really likes braves prospects. If you want proof, when he traded dotel to us and got kyle davies in return, he went that route instead of possibly during a trade with seattle to get wladimir balentin. Dejesus is still a fairly cheap option whom the braves can bat at the top or bottom of the order and can be productive. He, again, comes a less than half the price of kotsay and far less prone to injuries. And even though I love the idea, the braves are not getting joe blanton unless they offer up yunel and jo-jo reyes. Beane will only trade blanton, who is 27 for pieces that are younger, so renteria will not do it. The braves best is choice dejesus, even over crisp because it would probably cost us more to get crisp. And with dejesus in center, we can then take that money and sign another pitcher. If no trade happens, i say mike cameron comes our way for a 2 year deal at 8 mill per, but he will probably want a 3 year 30 million dollar deal.
Posted by: bravesbeast | October 02, 2007 at 07:34 PM
The only think I will miss is Andruw's glove. We can get a lot of guys to hit for a better average and possibly give us 10-20 HR, 70-90 RBIs, maybe a stolen base or two and actually run the bases instead of jog.
I think this is a good opportunity for Atlanta. Yes, they will have to pay Hampton's contract...as well as some raises, but they probably are getting a slight salary bonus from Liberty media.
IMO, we should let Brandon Jones or Kelly Johnson play LF, Diaz or Harris in CF (Diaz is better offensivly, as I doubt Harris will repeat this year), and Francouer in RF. Then, we save some money for a starting pitcher and have a better chance to resign Teix.
Posted by: jmc283 | October 02, 2007 at 08:35 PM
My money is on Mike Cameron ending up in Atlanta. He's a native and he won't cost nearly as much as Andruw or Hunter. Forget about Kotsay, for Atlanta or any other team. Physically, he's done as an everyday player. My 64-year-old father has a healthier back than Kotsay. If Billy Beane can actually convince another GM to take him as an everyday guy, we might as well hand Beane 2008 Exec of the Year honors now.
Hey, wait a minute, put that phone down, Neal Huntington! Put it down! No! Bad rookie GM!
Posted by: CJax33 | October 02, 2007 at 08:38 PM
The Braves will offer AJ arbitration. If he accepts, fine. A 1-year deal isn't bad and he can leave after that. But chances are he won't. If that happens, the Braves will sign a cheap glove guy to play CF. Frankly, they don't need a bat out there. Consider this: their offense was third in the league this year, and that's with Scott Thorman starting 60% of the games at first and AJ's pitiful production in CF. With Teix and a glove guy there instead, I don't really forsee a drop-off offensively.
Also, I'd like to reiterate that I expect the Braves to offer arbitration, so it's really still up to Andruw whether he wants to stay or not.
Posted by: mraver | October 02, 2007 at 08:41 PM
mraver,
They are not going to offer arbitration, if the braves said they are parting ways, and especially this soon aftter the season was over, then that means they had made up their mind long ago that andruw was not going to be a piece of the 2008 puzzle. The reason being is that even in arbitration, the braves would still have to pay andruw far more than he is to this team. His main strength is power, and for a team like the padres or dodgers, he may worth 15 million or so, as he would provide them with the power they need. The braves really do not need any more power, we need a high average glove guy who can make contact and be an asset on the bases, which is why i think a david dejesus trade is the best way to go. But no, andruw jones has played his final game as a brave.
Posted by: bravesbeast | October 02, 2007 at 09:15 PM
"They are not going to offer arbitration,"
If they don't they are fools.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 02, 2007 at 09:36 PM
The money is not well spent with Andruw. Letting him go is hard, but necessary. They need to find a stop-gap until Schaefer is ready (2009?). Let Jones walk, collect a few draft picks for him, and allow someone else to watch his body fall apart as he gave EVERYTHING he had in a Braves uni.
Posted by: TheBigDawg | October 02, 2007 at 09:38 PM
Andruw will be the next Bobby Bonilla or Danny Tartabull for someone.
Posted by: Bravesfanuc | October 02, 2007 at 10:09 PM
Fine, someone explain to me how andruw jones is worth the 12 mill or more dollars he would get from arbitration with the braves
Posted by: bravesbeast | October 02, 2007 at 10:41 PM
This could be a new low in insane player contracts (well high)
Rowand, Cameron, Hunter, Crisp will all be up for the market, and after the season Jones had, he shouldn't get anything more than 3/35.
Posted by: quintjs | October 03, 2007 at 12:22 AM
Don't they need to offer him arbitration if they want draft pick compensation?
Posted by: Chillin | October 03, 2007 at 12:25 AM
Well, if that is the case, then I guess the braves will offer arbitration, but it will in no way be enough to get him back.
Posted by: bravesbeast | October 03, 2007 at 12:34 AM
Hmmm... where would the Braves get a dirt cheap CF that's all glove and no pop? How about Gregor Blanco?! The guy has certainly fits the bill and has paid his dues. Sure, he dropped off some this full year in AAA, but he's still young, is only a year removed from a .400 OBP year split between AA and AAA and he certainly has plenty of upside (minus the power). Screw wasting money on a stop-gap CF or an overpaid star coming off a career year!
Posted by: ejruiz777 | October 03, 2007 at 01:26 AM
my money is on Rowand for something like 4/40 or Patterson on a 2/12.
I don't think Andruw will accept arbitration. If he tanks again next year he will be finished. One bad season = possible fluke. Two consecutive bad seasons = downhill career trend.
If he can get 4/70 from someone that will be much better than 1/15 or so from arbitration.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 03, 2007 at 01:33 AM
"Hmmm... where would the Braves get a dirt cheap CF that's all glove and no pop?"
Corey patterson is a very good and underrated glove, and a little pop too. He has a ton of speed, and can probably be had on a two year contract, three at the most. He is from Atl....I think this just makes sense. Then they can focus on moving Edgar for a SP.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | October 03, 2007 at 08:48 AM
I have always been favorable of a corey patterson signing, as he is someone who has a very underrated glove as you said, and does have some power. The main thing that he would allow the braves to have is a threat on the basepaths if we signed him. The only thing is that Willie Harris, while definitely not the defensive presence, may be able to provide a similar average. I think the braves may avoid patterson simply to get a high average guy through a trade. But if we could get patterson on a 2 year or even one year deal for 5-6 mill per, that would be awesome, but i do not see that as realisitc as some other options.
Posted by: bravesbeast | October 03, 2007 at 09:27 AM
andruw jones does not deserve that type of money. there is no way you'd pay 20 mil a season for a good glove. i hope that no team really chases after jones for that price, because that would really send the market value for other more productive outfielders through the roof. the braves are wise to just let him go and pocket the money...they have a good farm system and could use the money to address other needs.
Posted by: aggieastro | October 03, 2007 at 10:13 AM
What does BP say Jones is going to be worth next year? You offer him arbitration cause there is no way in hell he accepts it. You don't let two draft picks walk on the 1 in a million chance that Boras can't get him a massive deal this offseason.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 03, 2007 at 02:21 PM