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Astros Sign Kaz Matsui

Bruce Levine of ESPN 1000 reports had it first: the Astros have signed second baseman Kaz Matsui to a three year deal worth $15-16MM.  Ed Wade saved Jim Hendry from himself.  Bruce Miles of the Daily Herald and Jose de Jesus Ortiz of the Houston Chronicle confirm the signing.  Richard Justice speculates that the 'Stros could shop Chris Burke now, and maybe even package him with Luke Scott. 

Matsui is the early favorite for worst free agent signing of the winter.  He is probably not worth half the money, and a three-year commitment for him is insane.  Since he joined the Rockies in August of 2006, Matsui hit .256/.305/.370 away from Coors Field.

Not that Matsui is a legitimate starting second baseman, but the signing clearly leaves Tadahito Iguchi as the one free agent starter at the position.  That is, unless David Eckstein opts to market himself as a second baseman.

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HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!

Wrong thread...never mind

Ed Wade was an idiot when he was the GM in Philly. Time hasn't changed that, I see.

Well, on the bright side, the Astros won't end up overpaying David Eckstein.

Seriously, I can't believe that Jim Hendry didn't listen to the Astros offer, scracth his head, and say "eureak!", we can match that- and subsequently offer Matsui 5 years and 45 mil.

But seriously, this is a horrible, horrible contract.

As a cubs fan, I'd like to thank Ed Wade for keeping Kaz away from Chicago.

Ill say again...
Sigh, god dammit Astros.

I spelled Eureka wrong, how sad.

Wow 5 million a year for a .650 OPS?

Can I be a GM? I know what home/road splits mean and I make sound, common sense decisions when money is involved.

I think I just beat Bowden, Wade, Hendry and Bavasi in terms of qualifications.

wooooohoooooooooooo. Thank the lord!

You idiots need to look up Chris Burke's stats. They are awful, Matsui is a better overall player than Burke, so they just upgraded. 5 million in this market is a great deal, SCOTT LINEBRINK, A RELIEVER IS MAKING OVER 4 MILLION A SEASON!!! This is an OK signing, better than what we had.

That's funny, better than the garbage we had is the same rationale I've heard for the crappy Linebrink signing.

I was kind of hoping the Cubs would get Matsui... but giving him $15M is stupid. I know there was some thought that Matsui might help bring in Fukudome, but just give an extra $5M to Fukudome now and Fukudome and I will be very happy.

Why would the Astros even sign Matsui like that anyway? They are about 4 or 5 (or 6 or 7) pieces away from contending. Hell after signing Matsui for 3/15, they might be even farther back. Why committ so much money to a medicore player when you are so far away still?

This is a horrible signing for the Astros. Just horrible.

Heck of a signing by Special Ed.

Bottomline: Matsui>Burke=upgrade

Bottomline: Matsui not on Chicago=upgrade

What's the point of upgrading when the result is a below average player for his position?

I personally think Burke would have been fine starting at 2B.

He improved his BB rate from 6.9% to 7.8%, and his K rate fell from 21% to 16.3%. But his BABIP was .257!

I think he will be more like the 2006 Chris Burke (.276/.347/.765).

Ed Wade is a f'ing terrible GM!!!

Bottom line: Chris Burke= subpar production for $500,000.

Matsui= subpar production for $5,000,000.

Terrible signing.

Houston is quickly becoming one of the worst teams in baseball.

the astros aren't gonna field another team for at least the next 5 years, so what does it even matter?

we might as well trade pence and oswalt now to let actually win somewhere. i'd say trade berkman and lee too...but i question whether they really care about winning

is there a worse team in baseball right now than the stros? even the orioles and pirates have one or two prospects on the horizon

i think i'm one dumbass signing away from jumping ship with the stros

kyle lohse for 5 years 65 million anyone? he's got #2 starter written all over him...

I remember when the 'Stros were a competent franchise. Kaz Matsui? Really? I guess he'll fit right in with poor hitting Everett...and is Ausmus still their catcher, or did they finally cut ties with him? So much wasted talent in Houston...Pence, Oswalt, Lee, Berkman, all wasted.

And there are worse teams in baseball than the 'Stros...San Fran comes to mind...no idea what's going on over there. They probably have gotten passed over though by KC and TB, it's just too bad for those teams they play in the AL. I'd say they are better then the O's too, no direction for that franchise, and probably also the Nats, just due to the Jim Bowden factor alone.

To the guy who said the Astros wouldnt compete for 5 years anyways- I put together a plan before FA hit that would have improved the team, and slightly improve payroll when you count the expiring contracts. I'm under the name cordscords as well.

http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=316305&p=2524389&hilit=#p2524389

The first problem is cutting Woody Williams: It's similar to the situation Cincy is in with Stanton, they want to cut him, but they just can't. Miguel Tejada was really the key though. You guys needed to add this guy last year. Never thought I'd see the day when my Reds were run more efficiently than the 'Stros, but I guess it's happening.

Id love to get Tejada for an all glove SS, an often injured pitcher, a "power" catcher whos hit 3 HRs in 481 ABs, and a bad pitching prospect. Cmon, I love the Astros as much as the next guy, but the Orioles would want, you know, guys that can play baseball for Tejada.

I am a mets fan, so I saw Kaz play a few years. The mets overpaid for him , and now the astros overpaid for him. he must have a great agent.

Unfortantley Laputain you are somewhat right. It looks like the Orioles want 2 players of high value despite the fact Tejada declined. I thought the quantity, decent quality (there is potential in those players), and picking up that much would interest them. Sounds like the Orioles want somebody to eat the entire contract as well.

Not really in the realm of possibility now. Sounded good on Oct 30.

By the way, if anyone feels like commenting on this, the moderator on this blog noted that he thought the Reds could be the mystery team on Santana. How about Bailey, Encarncaion, and Votto for Santana? It would keep him out of the AL, and give Minny a #3 pitcher, a starting 3B, and a corner outfielder/firstbaseman, if they trade Morneau.

idk bro, i think bartolo colon is a potential steal if he controls his wait, but i think miguel tejada is in decline. the stros could use a #2 starter before another bat anyone. here's my take:

i think i would have traded pence for ian snell and brought in fukudome, swap luke scott (and maybe throw in wandy rodriguez) for ronny cedeno and a prospect. make the bourn trade, throw some money at coco cordero and scott linebrink and this is what you get

bourn cf
burke 2b
berkman 1b
lee lf
fukudome rf
wiggy 3b
towles c
cedeno ss

oswalt sp
snell sp
patton sp
gutierrez sp (whom i'm high on)
backe/albers/sign matt clement or somebody

cordero cp
qualls rp
linebrink rp

the defense is relatively solid, the hitting should be better than our world series lineup a few years ago, and the pitching staff has potential to be pretty decent. that's just my theory tho, the fate of the team is in ed wade's hands for the next 3 years or so

Most similar hitters to Kaz Matsui, based on similarity score:

1. Benny McCoy
2. Yuniesky Betancourt
3. Jocko Fields
4. Bret Barberie
5. Warren Morris

Leave it to the 'Stros to give 3 years and $15M to this generation's version of Bret Barberie.

and i think if you subbed hamilton for votto you'd have a deal for santana there. it's a perfect fit for both parties...and the reds would be the team to beat in the central next season

lol@the guy above me.

anyways, WOOOOO THERE IS A GOD

Posted by: Tim Dierkes
“What's the point of upgrading when the result is a below average player for his position?”
…You said it Tim…

Maybe its because I’m old-school or whatever; but piling new, slightly flashier, crap onto the big pile of crap you already has doesn’t equate to anything less than crap in my mind… This is one of those “to each their own” moments I guess…


Sidenote, what does this bring Wades resume up to in Houston so far? We have an OBP and SLG immune Middle Infielder making 5M, I remember he signed that 42 reliever who was good back in 1997 or whatever. Then there was those other two relievers who were so good I cant remember their names… What an impression this guy is making; at this rate Houston very well could lead the nation in suicides before the all-star break…

make that lol@the guy above the guy above me

Too bad this didn't break earlier today. Millions of Cubs fans could have had a great night of sleep knowing that Matsui was officially off the market and going to a competitor. Talk about a win/win.

boomshwa,

The only problem with your scenario for the stros is that I believe there are two trades within the division. Not that they wouldn't happen, but those can be tough. Otherwise, I have to admit, not too bad.

The possibility of the Reds getting Santana scares me as a Cubs fan. They have the pieces...but probably not the payroll.

I'm going to sleep very soundly, as bjsguess said, knowing Wade did Hendry a HUGE favor.

Most of Reds Country would love to sub Hamilton for Votto in that deal. We still have no idea what Hamilton really is worth, and thus don't know what we're going to get for him. Do though expect either him or Votto to be dealt in a trade for a #2 or 3 SP by the beginning of the year. The Reds just have too many position players and prospects not too make a move after signing Cordero and Baker.

Fellow Cubs fans...it appears that Christmas came early.

I'd rather throw DeRosa/Theriot out there everyday than Spaz Matsui.

Would be nice if we could get some Felix Pie insurance for the OF going into the season though. The longer this offseason goes the more I worry that we may have Corey Patterson 2.0 starting in CF next spring. I certainly hope he proves me wrong next year and puts up stats 3/4 of what he had been in AAA instead of the .200 BA we were seeing in sporadic time in the bigs.

Last time i checked the cubs needed an entire outfield.

Nah, they have Soriano and enough 4th to 5th OFer types to fill a bus…

They really only need a RF (or LF with Al-So moving to RF) and a CF backup. (which is strange to say about a team with like 8 OFers on it, but whatever…)

Well, this is a smart signing for the stros because they can have a japanese influence to bring into the market and create revenue heh heh heh................ ohhhh.....heh.....

Yeah we do need a couple outfielders...but im holding out hope for Fukudome but im still skeptical that he can produce numbers in MLB similar to the past 2 full seasons he had in Japan...or that he will even come to the US.

There's tons of possible OF's on the team but a mix of Murton/Fuld/DeRosa/Ward/Pie along with Soriano isnt very attractive.

Anyone got ideas or rumors for filling our OF?

Also, what is your opinions on the output of Soto/Blanco for '08? Was Soto's AAA and flashes of greatness in 50 odd at bats in the majors something we can expect a repeat of in the future or an anomaly?

I know better than to expect a .350 BA but is a solid .300 BA and 15-20 HR's possible?

Are you freaking kidding me? This is the got to be one of the stupidest moves ever. This all is a reflection of Drayton Mclain's sick lust for power...we have a good G.M. in hunsiger and he is run out of town for one that Drayton can manipulate. All the horrible moves of Pupurra and now Wade are directly linked to him. He has such a win win win attitude that it impairs good decision making. McLain has a say in all decisions and it is becoming more and more obvious that he is an incompotent old fool. The only thing that will help me sleep at night is the fact that even though we saved the cubs from a horrible signing...they wont take advantage of it and are doomed for failure...again

"Special Ed"... ahahahahhaha... I don't know why but that had me giggling like a school girl.

...and I wouldn't mind being Bret Barberie. He WAS tappin Jillian from Fox11. Just tape her mouth shut and she's good to go!

Everyone needs to get off the Astros backs here. A lot of us really thought that the Cubs signing Jason Marquis and Ted Lilly were stupid moves last year. Probably not on this blog, because it seems like whatever the Cubs do here is GOLDEN, no matter what it is.

Really, Matsui is a guy who goes out there and gives it his all. He's speedy and a plus-defender. That's what the Astros want. Burke was given chances, and he really just didn't pull through. I think the Acquisitions of Bourn and Matsui, along with Everett, Berkman, and Pence give the Astros one of the best defensive teams in MLB. But everyone here seems to think only in terms of OPS, BA, and paper stats to the core. So it's alright...

I don't think the Astros always make the smartest decisions, but I can't knock Matsui. He's a guy who tries his best, and he ended up on a World Series team in the end. Can't say that for the Cubs.

Man I love having Ed Wade in the division. That is all.

Also no way will the Reds be able to make the payroll commitment needed to bring in Santana. At least I do hope (and pray) that is the case. I think Haren, given his contract situation, is a much more plausible target.

Really...re-reading some of your posts, Cubs fans, you'd think that you were a perenially playoff team. Seriously...does one three and out playoff appearance make you the franchise of the decade?

"there are going to be a lot of suicides in Houston by the all-star break"

--are you that low, really? get a life, buddy. it's baseball we are talking about here.

really....i mean, i don't love the signing here, but I'm not going to sit around and trash a player on my team because he doesn't hit .300/30/100 like "every" player should.

If the deal is in fact 3 years at 15 million then it's definitely horrible. I don't think it would have been that bad of a deal if the terms were better, but they would've needed to be much better.

Matsui's splits are definitely different and they also show that he's a pretty streaky hitter. If he could have been had cheap it might not have been a horrible move just because of his streaks, and the fact that the Astros still have Chris Burke.

What bothers me is the fact that there wasn't more interest in Iguchi before executing this deal. Iguchi doesn't have any more of an upside than Matsui except slightly better stats, but he might have been cheaper. And thus, a better option.

I also think that you have to consider the fresh start of a player and a team. The Astros have made new moves which could change the dynamic, and while it probably won't make them a contender, it brings new life to the club. It's almost as though Wade is trying to re-establish the team with FA this year, and then focus the next few on signing young talent.

This move is definitely not an improvement, and the Astros are paying for it. I like to see a club take a risk on a FA that has had some bad years but not when it costs this much. Here's hoping the deal is for less money and that he has an amazing year.

Im not sure where you guys are finding all these optimistic Cubs fans, because I want some of that Kool-Aid.

All the Cubs fans I know do is bitch about how shitty we are and have been. No matter how good things ever start to look we know that soon reality will set in and be disappointed yet again.

Im just happy we didn't get Spaz, but knowing that he'll be in our division I totally expect him to duplicate his '07 numbers at our expense.

Gleebo,

Bill James predicts Soto to go something like .291/.370/.479...which would be tearing the NL up. Chone has a little more reachable goals at something like .275/.351/.464.

But all in all, Soto projects to be a pretty good catcher in his rookie year. I can't wait...

This makes the Brad Lidge trade even worse. Those saying the Astros won they deal is plain ridiculous. The savings the Astros get is wasted on this deal alone.

Boy, you guys love to ri[p on Ed Wade...

This to me was a choice between overpaying Matsui, overpaying Iguchi, trusting an aging Loretta to play every day and letting Burke continue to stink at the plate while giving the Astros a marginally better glove than an old Biggio.

So while this wasn't optimal, it was the best they can do to upgrade the position, plus the Juice Box inflates numbers almost as much as Coors.

Plus have you guys noticed that Wade is cleaning out the trash of the McLane/Purpura regime and re-tooling he team in his own fashion?

Gone since Wade took over is: Lane, Ensberg, Loretta (FA) Lamb(FA) and soon to be Burke and Scott.

In their place he's bringing in everyday major leaguers and not this platooning garbage that was bad for the Astros and tthe players.

some paul lo duca news that should be up on the main mlbtraderumors.com site. There has not been much said about him and he's almost forgotten. Same goes with the Jays.

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071129.wspt-jays-meetings29/GSStory/GlobeSportsBaseball/home

"because it seems like whatever the Cubs do here is GOLDEN, no matter what it is"

The only thing golden thing about acquiring Kaz Matsui is that it's piss-poor. Most Cubs fans would have hated it. Most of us also hated the Jason Marquis signing. Really, the Cubs have only traded away a bad baseball player for another bad baseball player and re-upped Kerry Wood on a low risk deal. We haven't had much of an opportunity to have an opinion on any of our signings.

"Really, Matsui is a guy who goes out there and gives it his all."

So do 95% of baseball players. Just because some of them aren't small, fast, and bad at baseball doesn't mean they aren't 'hustling'.

"Burke was given chances, and he really just didn't pull through."

So let's get another guy who won't pull through and pay him 10 times as much!

" He's a guy who tries his best, and he ended up on a World Series team in the end. Can't say that for the Cubs."

The following is a list of baseball players who have tried there best and ended up on a World Series team, hence are extremely valuable players: Jamey Carroll, Jeff Baker, Coco Crisp, Julio Lugo, Craig Monroe, Omar Infante, Neifi Perez, Aaron Miles

From Chicago with Love. Thank you, Mr. Wade! Thank you, Houston!

Now someone please prod Mr. Hendry and tell him it's ok. He did not make a mistake. Almost signed yet another second baseman (that one has a bad back to boot), but did not.

I'm not overly excited about the Astros signing Matsui. But it isn't a terrible signing, and it may be a good signing compared to the options facing the Astros at 2d base. He will improve the team compared to last year, and the contract numbers are reasonable in today's market. You guys complaining about the cost of this contract are still living in the salary context which existed two or three years ago.

At worst, Matsui will be no worst than the primary alternative, Chris Burke. At best, he will be a very valuable second baseman. Bill James' 2008 projections for Kaz Matsui: .294, .350, .435, .785. Astros' fans will be very happy if he puts up those numbers.

Also keep in mind that Bill James' baserunning analysis ranked Matsui as one of the top 5 baserunners in baseball last year. The Astros were very deficient in that category too.

You can complain about an Everett-Matsui combination offensively, but from a fielding standpoint, the up the middle infield defense will be superior. Given the high cost of pitching, defense can be a cheap way to upgrade an existing pitching staff.

I'm not overly excited about the Astros signing Matsui. But it isn't a terrible signing, and it may be a good signing compared to the options facing the Astros at 2d base. He will improve the team compared to last year, and the contract numbers are reasonable in today's market. You guys complaining about the cost of this contract are still living in the salary context which existed two or three years ago.

At worst, Matsui will be no worst than the primary alternative, Chris Burke. At best, he will be a very valuable second baseman. Bill James' 2008 projections for Kaz Matsui: .294, .350, .435, .785. Astros' fans will be very happy if he puts up those numbers.

Also keep in mind that Bill James' baserunning analysis ranked Matsui as one of the top 5 baserunners in baseball last year. The Astros were very deficient in that category too.

You can complain about an Everett-Matsui combination offensively, but from a fielding standpoint, the up the middle infield defense will be superior. Given the high cost of pitching, defense can be a cheap way to upgrade an existing pitching staff.

I agree with you, CJ. He seems like the best alternative out there. Loretta doesn't give us much speed...Neither does Chris Burke. And Matsui + Everett can really shore up the middle of the infield. In Richard Justice's blog on Houston Chronicle, he says that the Astros are trying to return to a team that emphasizes defense, speed and pitching. Well, Matsui can do two of those.

If you add a speedy Michael Bourn and Kaz Matsui in front of Pence, Berkman and Lee, then you've got a pretty fast top of the order before the big guns come out to hit.

I also think the salary terms aren't ridiculous, either. I mean, they aren't cheap, but what is in this market? Linebrink got a figure similar to this...Alfonso Soriano was worth, what was it....131 million dollars. 15 million over three seasons is less than Brad Lidge would have made, and our current payroll doesn't exceed 90 million dollars. (It reached in the 100's when Bagwell and Clemens/Pettitte were still on the team)

I think this will end up helping the Astros out a lot. Having two speedy plus defenders really helps out. He may not put up great numbers, but do second basemen generally put up good numbers in the bigs? Not often.

Aggie Astro is exactly right. Every single move the Cubs make, this board and website applaud it as being a great move. Just 2 days ago when it was being reported that Matsui was signing with the Cubs, most of the Cubs fans were ecstatic and praising the move. But, since the Cubs didnt get him and the Astros did, now all the Cubs fans are pretending like they didnt want him and bashing Ed Wade. Now there were a few Cubs fans who never liked the move, but I'm not directing this at them.

I've already heard Peter Gammons, Bruce of ESPN 1000 in Chicago, Buster Olney and a few other sportswriters from Colorado call in to Houston radio to talk about the signing and they all agree that its a good signing. They said Matsui makes your team better. He was a key component in the Rockies run to the World Series. Olney said he does the little things that get overlooked. Ummm, yea I'm gonna take their opinions over some bitter Cubs fans opinions any day of the week.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Kaz Matsui is awful.

Kaz Matsui is not awful. Take a pill and go read a book on baseball.

I have to agree with aggieastro here, some of you posters need to chill out. Astros are the worst and suicides in Houston are going to rise, PLEASE. I don't know if it was the greatest signing either (would have rather had Iguchi) but I thought Matsui grand slam against the Phils in the playoffs last year looked pretty good.

"Just 2 days ago when it was being reported that Matsui was signing with the Cubs, most of the Cubs fans were ecstatic and praising the move."

Really? Did you even bother to read the postings from that rumor? Two people saying that it would be great for Matsui to sign with Chicago sure as hell doesn't mean that "most" of us were anywhere near ecstatic. In fact most were pointing out how pointless the deal would be. As much as the Cubs need SIX average middle infielders...
Thank you Ed Wade.

"I thought Matsui grand slam against the Phils in the playoffs last year looked pretty good."

i thought chris burke's home run in the playoffs a few years back was pretty good too. one home run doesn't make you a good player

Hummm… Nice try at a spin move, but come on guys…

Kaz Matsui:
Career .272/.325/.387 hitter ~ which you may think “could be worse”. Well, it is…

Career .348/.403/.486 ~ At Coor Field
Career .255/.304/.331 ~ Away from Coors Field

So, how on earth do you explain a 3YR 15M contract to a .255/.304/.331 hitter away with “well he plays good D had has speed”? But maybe that’s a fluke right? Well, it matches his 07 Away line of .249/.304/.333 rather well so I doubt it’s a fluke…


Now, you don’t have a better option than paying this guy 5M for 3 years? What about Brooks Conrad? He has been able to show a fair OBP and SLG in the minors, can steal bases and plays a nice 2B ~ he’s ML-Ready now and doesn’t cost you a penny. (well, LgMin but…)

Or what about Eric Bruntlett? Sure he’s a natural SS, but he has played fine at 2B in the minors. He’s past ML-Ready after 5 years in AAA ~ where he has hit .252/.336/.335 (IE, not real worse than what Kaz should when translated) He can also play every other position on the field ~ that comes in handy!

And you always have Johnathin Ash about a year away ~ you could have just gone with one of the above as a stop-gap then tried him. Sure, he doesn’t have quite as much speed but he knows how to get on base, has already shown more power and is atleast in a position where he will can be getting better! Two straight years of .307/.370/.404 in AA, you guys just planning on stalling him out there forever?

Or did the team even contact anyone else? Cleveland doesn’t need Josh Barfield. We just saw both Jason Bartlett and Brendan Harris traded yesterday ~ both who could play 2B for ya. The Mets don’t seem to want to give Ruben Gotay a shot, maybe you could have gotten him on the cheap. Or how about Seattle wanting to dump Jose Vidro and SF wanting to dump Ray Durham ~ sure, they are not as good as they once were and make a little in salary; but you wont be paying it for 3 years, and the plus-side of those players is lightyears ahead of what ya get in Kaz. And I know there are even more 2B then just this avail, just having a hard time thinking of them all… Aybar from Anaheim for instance though. Or one of Hu/Abreu from LosAngeles ~ they are probably bringing Kent back and with Furcal being at SS one of these two will have to sit for atleast 2 years meaning they can probably be had.

Did Wade even look around his team and the rest of league, or did he just say “well, the Cubs want Matsui so I must want him too”…

most of the Cubs fans were ALWAYS saying they hoped this wouldn't happen. To me, I'm glad it didn't because it would have blocked one of our better prospects, Eric Patterson. Patterson is probably better than Kaz Matsui right now...so it would have been depressing. Not to mention that Kaz is a lot like Theriot...who also gives 100%, and still doesn't deserve to be starting. Thanks again Wade.

I agree about Patterson, but before he can prove it, he has to figure out how to make it to Wrigley on time.

darkstar, Eric Buntlett is a Philly. He was traded in the Lidge deal. Brooks Conrad was waived. He did not have a good year in AAA last season. As for Barfield, he had a terrible year in Cleveland, and I don't want the Astros to use what few trading bullets they have on a speculative trade.

ok, fine ~ but you should get the point... The fact of the matter is that there are many, many options avail that didnt include signing an extremely sub-par 2B to a 3/15M deal! With that cash they could have taken a gamble on a SP for 10M/YR, the Kaz money not being given out means its only costing you 5Mish in the total... Sing Colon instead of this joke.

and if 2B is such a problematic position within the teams system I would have to really question why they would be removing what few internal options are available to them...

"an extremely sub-par 2B to a 3/15M deal"

that right there is a mis-statement. kaz matsuit is not an extremely subpar 2B. You can throw that Coors field he hit this high blah blah blah crap out as much as you want, but it's not a very valid statement. Maybe he just plays better at home?? Who knows. And he is a good defender...Which makes him a good second base candidate. What is really wrong with a .288 batting average anyway? That's pretty good in my opinion. Second base is not a strong offensive position, so quit making it out to be.

“kaz matsuit is not an extremely subpar 2B”
~ The Average NL 2B hit .272/.341/.418. The Average AL 2B hit .283/.338/.416 ~ with a total MLB 2B averaging .277/.339/.417… Kaz could still only hit .288/.342/.405 while playing half his games in Colorado! Even if you don’t give any credence what so ever to Coors helping players, you still can only claim an average line at best…

“Maybe he just plays better at home??”
~ you think? In 06 he hit .277/.331/.357 at home between Col & NY; that still doesn’t say anything less than very subpar. He hit .244/.298/.323 at home in 05 ~ worse than on the road. 04 saw a .274/.340/.391 line, about even with the Road numbers… Don’t think this one will hold up man…

But really think about this part of it for a second. And I mean, really, really think about it... This is a guy who spent 1/3 of his 2006 season in the minors ~ as a 30YO! Oh, and in AAA he still couldn’t hit above .278/.328/.391! This is a 3/15M deal to a guy who was poor in the minors last year at 30+! How can you even begin to try to explain this guy as anything less then sup-par?

And dude, its not the .288 that is the glaring problem ~ the real problem is that OBP and SLG he constantly puts up when not suited up at Coors Field ~ it seems he is allergic to walks and cant hit much more than a double once every 5 games or so…

If you want to try and spin this thing as good, so be it. But come on man ~ do you really think you can explain it all the way up to 3/15???

Darkstar1661 - I think what Aggieastro and some others are trying to point out is that everybody has commented about his slits and lines. Defense is just as important if not more important. I can't reiterate how valuable Everett has been in years past and his defense adds more wins than an offensive shortstop like Derek Jeter. In fact, many offensive players can end up costing games because their defense doesn't make up for their better offensive stats. It would be nice if Matsui had a better OBP and offensive stats, but you can't just look at offensive numbers here.

Don't get me wrong, it's definitely important to look at offensive stats, but defense and pitching is much more valuable than offense in my book. Biggio's defense alone probably cost the Astros some games let alone his poor offense contributing to it as well. Matsui may not bring more offense, but he'll bring much better defense.

I'm starting to feel more comfortable with the deal, but I would've rather seen us spend the money on pitching before doing this deal. I sure hope we can trade Scott and Burke for some pitching or make something else happen.

To me, I'm glad it didn't because it would have blocked one of our better prospects, Eric Patterson.

Ummm... no. Eric Patterson is no longer an infielder. He is awful defensively, which is why he has been moved to the outfield even though he is being blocked there by Soriano and Pie.

E-Pat is an interesting prospect, but he sure wouldn't have been blocked by Matsui.

E-Pat will not be a major league starting 2b. If he ever makes it to the bigs, it will be as a an outfielder or utility player.

"I can't reiterate how valuable Everett has been in years past and his defense adds more wins than an offensive shortstop like Derek Jeter."

Adam Everett's highest WARP3 score ever: 5.7 in 2006. Jeter's lowest WARP3 ever: 4.6 in 2003, a year he only played in 119 games. Everett's second highest is 3.7 and Jeter's second lowest 6.2.

I bleed brick with the best of Astro fans, but it is an outrageous statement to say that Everett provides more wins to a team than Jeter.

WARP3 scores do account for defense and can be found at BP.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/everead01.php
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/jeterde01.php

All that said, I'm not thrilled with the Matsui signing but not depressed either. Iguchi was probably better but who knows what happened in talks with his agent. We needed something other than Chris Burke. 5mil/year I can live with, the 3 years stings just a touch. Too bad it couldn't have been 2.

Danweasel - Sorry, I should have been more clear. My intention was not to make a comparison of Everett to Jeter. My meaning was to explain that often times people place more importance on offense over defense.

By the way, you also need to consider that WARP-2 and WARP-3 both take into account DH so those lines aren't completely the same. WARP-1 would be a better comparison and in most respects it (other than 2006 [can't compare 2007 because of injury and Everett wasn't around in 1999])show 2-3 extra wins from someone who bats .100+ more than the other. To me that isn't really that impressive. But again, that isn't my point.

I was trying to explain that in many circumstances defense can be equally as valuable or perhaps more valuable. Perhaps if I had re-worded that sentence it would have been clear.

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