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Collusion Against A-Rod?

The MLBPA leveled a serious charge, suggesting that Bud Selig is trying to hold down Alex Rodriguez's price.  Apparently all the GMs gathered and publicly spoke about their offseason plans and available players.  This information sharing inhibits free market economics, in the opinion of the MLBPA.  The union did not specifically refer to A-Rod, but a source of the AP indicated he was implied.

The commissioner's guy, Rob Manfred, basically said the union's suggestion was absurd.  But Rob - if A-Rod signs for one year, $5MM, we're on to you guys.  We'll be watching.


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I smell some bad Karma coming A-Rod's his way.

Arod for $5m per, I'd sign him for 15 years! lol

Collusion is serious. If he signs for under 30 but over 25 it's gonna be hard to prove that especially if the average salary of free agents continues to rise this offseason.

Where the owners will have a big problem will be when the 11 free agents on the Mitchell report are announced. If they sign for well under the market and bring the averages down, the MLBPA will be on them in full force. Should be an interesting offseason to say the least.

He's certainly not worth $30 million, so I'd like to see MLB file a claim that ARod is getting paid too much. They'd have a point.

kgbaseball: what are you basing that statement on? Personal opinion or fact? Between the skills he brings to the ballpark, the butts he puts in the stadium seats, and the merchandise the teams sell with his name on it, I say he is worth way more than $30 mil per year. Of course, that is just an educated guess on my part, but that is exactly how Boras is trying to sell ARod's worth.

Not to be rude, but you are both wrong.

Simply put, he is worth what the teams will pay him. The same as any other player and thats that.

I don't care if he gets paid league minimum. I just don't care about A-Rod's financial security.

I'm not sure he puts as many "butts" in the seats as you think he does...ask the Rangers. Yankees sell out anyway...and I don't think his jersey was even in the top 5 in baseball as far as sales go...I understand his talent, which is probably the most all around in the game...but easy there with the rest of it. Dice-K was different because he was brining a whole other market with him, and I think even that got exaggerated.

Totally unrelated, but I read something that made me feel even better (as an Astros fan) about the Lidge/Bourn trade.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5286405.html

"Wade and his crew were busy at the GM meetings, pushing for top-shelve center field prospects before landing one in Bourn. At one point, they told the New York Mets it would take their phenom Carlos Gomez to get Lidge. Mets GM Omar Minaya balked, keeping one of the premier prospects in all of baseball."

My only real complaint was wondering whether the Astros might have been able to get a better young CF than Bourn. The Astros clearly wanted someone who was ML-ready, or very, very close. So here were the options (as I see them).

Gomez - Mets said no
Milledge - Mets would have said no
Adam Jones - only if someone as bad as Bavasi was GM ... oh wait...
Jay Bruce - fat chance
Cameron Maybin - fat chance
Colby Rasmus - fat chance, don't need Lidge
Andrew McCutchen - not ready, don't need Lidge
Jacoby Ellsbury - hopefully Wade asked about him, but the Red Sox would have and should have said no. fat chance.
Baldelli - more upside than Bourn, but less trade value because of injuries and salary.
Upton brothers - fat chance
Chris Young - fat chance
Willy Taveras - hahahaha
Matt Kemp - would have asked about him, but Dodgers don't need Lidge and they should have said no anyway.

I may have missed some, but honestly Bourn looks like the only choice once the Mets said no on Gomez. There are plenty of other younger prospects, but none are ML-ready.

The only other viable option I see would have been Victorino, who would have been preferable to Bourn. Presumably Wade asked about Bourn and was scorned.

So if the Astros couldn't get Ellsbury, Gomez, or Victorino, getting Bourn and a solid 3rd base prospect is a fine return. Plus, they save $7 million this year and don't risk another Lidge blow-up depriving them of any return.

Time will tell, but I'm glad to see Wade explored other options before Bourn.

Arod gave the NYY basically David Ortiz's offense but with mediocre D at 3B vs no D at all. The difference going into next year is that he wants more than 17MM above Ortiz's money for his "D"?

Give this article a read and then come back and tell me how he's worth 30+ million.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/battling-boras/

Great article. I am interested to see how this whole Arod situation plays out because it seems like anyone with half a brain can see that boras' demands are beyond unreasonable yet you can't help but think boras already has an under the table deal with some idiot. It will be interesting to see who that idiot is or even more interesting to see boras' face when his years of smoke and mirrors negotiating tactics blow up in his on the largest scale of them all.

MLBPA needs to settle down on that one. When I read about Bora$ setting up meetings involving charts and graphs to try and sell people on A-Rod's worth it just kind of makes me sick. Owners need to not meet his demands, you don't let the agents decide the marketplace. I'd love to see nobody entertain the ridiculous $30MM per year bounty. And if MLBPA has a problem with it, let 'em strike and drive more fans off, bringing they're mega-millions contracts down even further.

Comparing A-Rod to Ortiz in terms of contract and value is silly. Ortiz signed a few years back at an under market value. If Ortiz was a FA this year he would be looking at $20m annually. So the question really becomes is A-Rod $5-10m better than Ortiz.

As this continues to shake out I stand firm by my earlier prediction. A-Rod will not get more than $25m annually. He opted out because he doesn't like New York - not because of the money. He is willing to take less cash to play somewhere else that will appreciate him.

It's a two team race between the Angels and Dodgers. Anyone else mentioned (i.e. Mets) is there strictly to drive up the price.

MLBPA needs to settle down on that one. When I read about Bora$ setting up meetings involving charts and graphs to try and sell people on A-Rod's worth it just kind of makes me sick. Owners need to not meet his demands, you don't let the agents decide the marketplace. I'd love to see nobody entertain the ridiculous $30MM per year bounty. And if MLBPA has a problem with it, let 'em strike and drive more fans off, bringing they're mega-millions contracts down even further.

"Between the Numbers" by Baseball Prospectus had a chapter in it named "Is A-Rod overpaid?" They said all things considered that he actually was over-paid. According to BP, Pujols and Miguel Cabrera were very under paid. It was no slight to A-Rod. No one is worth what he has been paid.

I wonder if the looming list and whether A-rod is on it will worry Arte Moreno at all. He got burned last year with baby sarge. It would be like 10x worse if he gets burned on a 300 milion dollar contract. Whatever happened to Arte saying he would never pay anybody that much more then Vlad makes? Also, if the Mets really are trying to trade Delgado for a second baseman, whether or not Detroit is interested, couldnt that mean A-Rod is in their sights?

Its not like they have any sort of replacement ready, and there is not one on the market either. Who would play first for them if they traded Delgado. Tony Clark? Shawn Casey? Somehow I doubt it.

"Simply put, he is worth what the teams will pay him. The same as any other player and thats that."

I get tired of hearing people say this. It is very simple minded and wrong. Worth has little to do with the final contract. The contract is simply about what a team is willing to pay and its only relation to worth is that the team thinks the player may be worth this much or more during the course of the contract. Was Carl Pavano worth $11 million last year? Was Albert Belle worth $13 million to the Orioles in 2003? No, that's what they were paid. They were worth nothing because they contributed nothing.

Someone will pay the 30 million, but let's hope it's for 7 years or something. That, I'd take (if he can play Right Field!) The man could hit 60 homers per season over those cozy power alleys at Wrigley.

Ok. so I actually looked up the Yankees revenue last year. If you want to, read here:

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/33/07mlb_New-York-Yankees_334613.html

According to this article, the team revenue was 302 million. A hefty chuck of money for sure, but I really do not believe that A-rod alone accounted for a full 1/10 of that revenue on a team that includes the talent that the Yankees do. Furthermore, I do not believe that A-Rod will be bringing in 30 mil per year in revenue 10 years from now.

I know this is kind of in favor of Boras. Also keep in mind I'm not a Boras fan. But I live in South Florida and try to go to as many Marlins games as I can. But if Arod were to come down here. I know a hell of alot more people would show up at the games.

but how do you justify it at a place like yankee stadium, wrigley field, or Fenway Park...where they are already going to be selling out anyway?

you can't justify it for a ball club like those. But for a little club like the Marlins it would be huge. I went to a Brewers - Marlin game a year ago and the paiud attendance was 935 people.

It's not collusion if "nobody wants to pay the absurd asking price." However much he makes, I just hope Boras has to endure NOT getting what he wants, and they have to back down on the price a little.

for sure... it's a ridiculous amount of money

I'm no expert on Labor relations but it never ceases to amaze me that the platers can gather as a group and discuss their collective strategy and it's called a union. If the owners & GM's do the same it's collusion. Why can't management organize?

chicagobubbleblog: Agreed!

Also, fair salary compared to other superstars, even if you rank him #1, would be about 20/mil per year. And even compared to himself, he's lost a LOT defensively since 2000 contract. There would be no collusion, just intelligence.

ARod probably does not have a problem playing for less. Remember in 2004 when he was nearly traded to the Red Sox and tried to restructure his contract to take less money? and the MLBPA prevented it?
(at least that's how I remember it... it was 3 years ago)

I grew up in a Teamster family and don't quite understand the union nature of the MLBPA. The player contracts are independently negotiated. The union has done a very good job of negligence in protecting their players in recent years. Steroids, etc

With the Florida comments. To make 30 million on extra seats he'd have to increase attendance by about 12,500 a game. I know there are other financial benefits but I just don't think any team can make a 30 mil ARod deal cashflow (especially in 5 years when he's playing 1B).

If money's not a consideration and you just want the best 3B available, by all means make a splash.

Since my DBacks definitely can't afford him I hope whoever gets him pays a ton for him.

I know I'm late on the comment, but I second tmar's remark and add that I hope that A-rod puts up the mere 35 home runs, tying his tally a mere 2 years ago.

The fact is, that not only is A-rod not going to pay for himself in revenue, he is no guarantee to pay for himself in performance either.

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