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The Houston radio stations are reporting that Ed Wade had a meeting with Scott Boras (aka "Satan") about Eric Gagne.
Posted by: danweasel | November 30, 2007 at 07:18 PM
John Harper and Bill Madden of the Daily New are reporting that the Yankees are including Phil Hughes in an offer for Santana. While I'm sure the Red Sox will be asked to up their offer, the Yankees package looks like the winner.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/30/2007-11-30_yankees_decide_to_offer_phil_hughes_in_p-2.html
Posted by: Alex | November 30, 2007 at 07:21 PM
WOW!!
the yankees are soooo stupid
(nice tip Alex)
Posted by: 04Forever | November 30, 2007 at 07:33 PM
I Completely forgot about Alexi Ramirez untill that post earlier today about him. Tahnks Tim. But i was just wondering if the Cubs are so keen as to getting a middle infielder why don't they just go after Alexi Ramirez. It could be the biggest bargain of the offseason for any team.
Posted by: kevybo1 | November 30, 2007 at 07:35 PM
the yankees upped THEIR OWN OFFER!? thats so stupid. the red sox didnt even really put on that much pressure. im laughing my head off at this right now, i cant believe the folded like a piece of paper so quickly
Posted by: 04Forever | November 30, 2007 at 07:37 PM
04Forever,
How is it ever stupid to trade for the best pitcher in the game?. Plus this is the one team with no salary ceiling. So getting Santana under an extension won't be much of a problem. So over the next 6-8 years I'll take Johan Santana over Hughes
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 30, 2007 at 07:38 PM
the yankees upped THEIR OWN OFFER!? thats so stupid. the red sox didnt even really put on that much pressure. im laughing my head off at this right now, i cant believe the folded like a piece of paper so quickly
Posted by: 04Forever | November 30, 2007 at 07:39 PM
Wayne Krivsky once again reiterated that they are going after starting pitching on a radio show today. Getting him to even say that is mind blowing.
Posted by: Muggerd | November 30, 2007 at 07:40 PM
As much as I liked to pretend Kennedy+ would do it, in the back of my mind I had a feeling it would be done.
Well, fortunately that's the luxury you have when your farm is loaded. It won't cripple by any stretch, but I still wish it didn't have to be Hughes.
Looks like they'll get their ace.
Posted by: VladimirPut-in | November 30, 2007 at 07:41 PM
Well if the Yankees give up Hughes... the Sox will be happy that they lost Hughes and gave up 20-25 million and will probably be content to just go after Haren for not even half the cost, all the mean time keeping Ellsbury and Buchholz.
Posted by: JJGBPD | November 30, 2007 at 07:43 PM
As much as I liked to pretend Kennedy+ would do it, in the back of my mind I had a feeling it would be done.
Well, fortunately that's the luxury you have when your farm is loaded. It won't cripple by any stretch, but I still wish it didn't have to be Hughes.
Looks like they'll get their ace.
Posted by: VladimirPut-in | November 30, 2007 at 07:43 PM
Here's a thought... would love some feedback. We're hearing rumors now that the Yankees are seriously looking at Mark Loretta. Any chance that this is an in an effort to make the Santana package more attractive without giving up Hughes? Could we potentially see a Loretta signing and then a Santana trade that includes Cano, Kennedy, and a few others? The Twins may find this equally attractive as it meets another need after the acquisition of a fairly top notch CF prospect in Jason Pridie (.318/.375 .539). Pridie was obtained from TB in the Garaza/Young trade.
Would love some thoughts.
Posted by: Steve | November 30, 2007 at 07:45 PM
Oh, come off it, 04. Minnesota could have just said that if they were going to trade Santana to NY, they'd have to include Phil Hughes. The Yankees wanted Santana, they included Phil Hughes.
Posted by: VladimirPut-in | November 30, 2007 at 07:46 PM
I hate giving up Hughes :(
@JJGBPD:
If you think Haren is going to cost half as much of Santana, you're on crack.
Try he'll cost the same amount in terms of prospects, if not a bit more since he's cheap for the next 3 years.
You'll bet your ass Beane holds out for Buchholz or Ellsbury.
Posted by: henry14theking | November 30, 2007 at 07:46 PM
HEY TIM:
WTF is up with this captcha crap whenever I try to post a comment?
This TypeKey is seriously pissing me off.
Posted by: henry14theking | November 30, 2007 at 07:47 PM
Steve:
No :) This was already shot down. And Cano is the only good
Posted by: henry14theking | November 30, 2007 at 07:47 PM
Breaking News:
Red Sox now in trade talks with MIN for Hughes.
HA!!
Posted by: el clash combo | November 30, 2007 at 07:48 PM
I think people need to step back and realize most of this is all speculation and innuendo.
And as good as Hughes *COULD* BE, Santana *IS* the best pitcher in baseball. Hughes, Melky and Horne(?) ain't that much.
/Not a Yankee fan.
Posted by: Bedrosian's Beard | November 30, 2007 at 07:49 PM
hey tim, i think you missed the biggest thing of the day hahaha, you take a break for 5 minutes and look at what happend
Posted by: 04Forever | November 30, 2007 at 07:51 PM
Henry -- I don't disagree with you BUT... who would you rather lose Cano in an already potent offense or Hughes who has number 1 stuff -- special pitchers come around once in a great while. Clearly offense can be supplemented in other ways.
Posted by: Steve | November 30, 2007 at 07:57 PM
I agree Bedro. And that's part of the reason why a team builds its farm system, so that you don't sell the farm with any one transaction when you get a crack at someone like Santana.
As fans we tend to get emotionally attached to our prospects, but it's not wise to see it like that...considering that Hughes is only a partially known quantity--we know what his potential is, but the Kerry Woods and Mark Priors of the world should serve as a warning of where unbridled promise can unfortunately lead you.
Santana is a bona fide ace, and I believe that given the opportunity, you gotta get 'em.
Posted by: VladimirPut-in | November 30, 2007 at 07:58 PM
this just in...
the white sox are geriatric and are getting older with every addition!!!
thanks a lot kenny!
Posted by: trober81 | November 30, 2007 at 07:58 PM
Yo King, you reiterated the point I already made. One, we won't have to give up Buchholz or Ellsbury, and two... Haren IS cheap for the next 3 years. So, not sure what your point was, but I guess you only reiterated mine. Thanks!
Posted by: JJGBPD | November 30, 2007 at 08:00 PM
henry you have no right to talk about the value of Haren after that wonderful trade proposal you outlined yesterday
once again people, none of you are gms, none of your opinions (outside of tims) carry any weight
nobody knows what it will take to get Haren until either a deal is done or beane explicity details his wishlist
Posted by: GoBoSox420 | November 30, 2007 at 08:00 PM
IT'S ABOUT TO GO DOWN!! As reported by Ken Rosenthal, two rival GMs have announced a trade of one Samuel Adam's Winter Lager for three Milwaukee's Best Lights and a one time use of the Bests owner's frosty mug. Early reports are that one of the GMs may have been intoxicated.
Posted by: Grizzlyfox | November 30, 2007 at 08:03 PM
god SOME of you red sox fans are annoying. Henry, go ahead and say what you want, it is a post board after all...
gobosox420 has been on the rag for two days now.
Posted by: trober81 | November 30, 2007 at 08:06 PM
And I'm not going to take anything for granted until it's officially announced.
Posted by: VladimirPut-in | November 30, 2007 at 08:06 PM
well put it this way....question, if the yankees are to get santana, what would work out BETTER for the yankees
hughes/melky/prospects
OR
kennedy/cano/prospects
Posted by: mike923 | November 30, 2007 at 08:07 PM
OF COURSE you have to give up Buchholz/Ellsbury; the A's already have a bunch of starters that belong at the back of the rotation. Lester would just get shoved into the 4th/5th spot with Gaudin.
Haren isnt going anywhere unless the A's get a Hughes/Buchholz type in return, in addition to other guys. Why else would he dangle a cheap, good, 27-year-old????????
Posted by: JD | November 30, 2007 at 08:07 PM
its an opinionated website, people have the right to give their opinions about what it could take to obtain haren, who cares how stupid it is, leave them alone
Posted by: 04Forever | November 30, 2007 at 08:08 PM
Mike923, my vote (in favor of the Yankees) goes towards option A. They cant afford to make a hole at 2nd, much less give up the only young offensive star they have. I think Kennedy really isnt that far behind Hughes; Ian's more durable and wont throw his arm out of the window. He's a smarter pitcher with worse stuff, but an innings-eater who can work economically like Kennedy is going to be more valuable than a 5 inning pitcher who strikes out 6 and walks 3. Hughes doesnt pitch economically and I dont think that is going to change.
Posted by: JD | November 30, 2007 at 08:10 PM
I'm not sure if this is news or not but...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/11/30/2007-11-30_yankees_decide_to_offer_phil_hughes_in_p-2.html
The Yanks have decided to offer the Twins Hughes.
Posted by: Game555 | November 30, 2007 at 08:10 PM
Mike -- see my post above... i agree we should say so long to cano if it means saving hughes -- we can find another stop gap to play second.
Posted by: Steve | November 30, 2007 at 08:10 PM
hahaha, nice Game555, nice
Posted by: 04Forever | November 30, 2007 at 08:11 PM
hughes/melky/prospects
OR
kennedy/cano/prospects
Posted by: CarpeDiem | November 30, 2007 at 08:11 PM
haha mets have santana
Posted by: johan is GOD | January 29, 2009 at 10:11 AM