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By Tim Dierkes [November 15, 2007 at 4:40pm CST]
Braves GM Frank Wren chatted with fans today at MLB.com. A hot stove summary is below.
- Wren is working on various short-term options for center field, as he does not want to block his two center field prospects.
- Rumors that the Braves would sign Mike Lowell or trade for Ken Griffey Jr., which were silly from Day 1, were shot down.
- Octavio Dotel wants a multiyear deal, and Wren doesn't seem to expect him back. The Braves do have interest in re-signing Ron Mahay though.
- Wren says that he won't go after any more starters if the Braves sign Tom Glavine.
- There haven't been any talks with Mark Teixeira regarding a contract extension yet.
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Well, with the Royals now saying that dejesus is not really available unless they are blown away, and the redsox asking a lot for coco crisp, my suggestion would be why not go feel two of our biggest needs, a short term centerfielder and young established starter, in the same trade.
The braves should perhaps go after kotsay and blanton from oakland, as has been suggested in several places (most recently that i have seen is mark bowmen over at mlb.com). Billy Beane, as I have stated in the past, loves prospects who are MLB ready and can be be effective, and we have those options in Brandon Jones, Brent Lillibridge, Martin Prado, Chuck James, Jair Jurrjens, and Joey Devine. I think that the cost for a starter and centerfielder will be lower if we got them from the same team instead of seperate teams, and if the braves are fully convinced that kotsay can stay healthy, I would not mind at least opening up inquiries with Beane about getting those two. Besides Dejesus, Crisp, and Kotsay, (I do not know if we have the package to get crawford) I mean is their anyone out there whom the braves can trade for that will be effective
Posted by: bravesbeast | November 15, 2007 at 06:33 PM
This holding out by the Red Sox and reluctance to trade him is a complete bluff. If the Braves are interested they should just wait around for awhile because I garauntee that come opening day, Crisp will be on another team. Off the top of my head, it seems he is the most likely player in baseball to be traded this offseason.
Posted by: themfightnwords | November 15, 2007 at 06:57 PM
I'm kinda disappointed that he said that the Braves will be done looking for starting pitching if we sign Glavine. He goes on to say that we'd have 8 starters competing for 5 jobs...those 8 starters being:
Smoltz
Hudson
James
Glavine
Hampton
Jurrjens
Reyes
Carlyle?
Not to be critical, but I'd like to get another bonafide starter behind Smoltz and Hudson. I just don't trust Smoltz, Hampton, and Glavine to be able to make it through an entire season. If two of those three go out, then we're left in the same position as last year: Chucky as our 3rd starter, then kids and AAAA players coming up and being stopgaps for our 4-5. Now, if they think Jo Jo Reyes is ready now, then by all means. But I think he'd be more valuable in a trade. Maybe I'm dreaming but I think we can scrap together something to get Dan Haren, along the lines of 3 or 4 of the 5: Chuck James, Jo Jo Reyes, Lillibridge, Brandon Jones, and Jurrjens. Granted, I'm not the most knowledgeable in what it would take for a trade, but does that seem reasonable for Haren?
Posted by: Something Profound | November 15, 2007 at 07:30 PM
I still feel the CF void will not be filled until we know (1) if the Braves will offer Andruw arbitration and (2) if he will accept. I still feel there is a pretty good chance that Andruw will be back for one more year, ala Greg Maddux a few years ago. It will cost about $15 - $17 mil for one year, but will not cost any prospects. In fact, if Andruw's numbers go back up enough, he might be a Type A FA next year, which would net better draft picks.
Wren's comments don't lead me to believe they will go after more than one SP. If they sign Tommy, that will likely be it.
As far as Tex goes, I think they should at least present some sort of offer for a mutli-year deal, even though Boras probably would not discuss it any further. What this would accomplish is sending a message to Tex that we are seriously interested in retaining him long term. If the Yanks sign A-Rod, the chances of them signing Tex next year go down - slightly.
By the way, I thought Wren's last comment was very interesting - "Wren: Got a couple things we are working on that could happen soon and need to get back to the phones."
Posted by: Thundersticks | November 15, 2007 at 07:37 PM
I think it would be better to sign Andruw to a 1 year deal with a club option for a second. If he bats around 260-270 and hits 30 HR I believe to pick up the option. Then you could trade him for prospects. Or if he plays like i hope we could pick up type A draft picks. Than we dont have to rush our young CF's and we can wait 2 years. Think we could get andruw for 12 to 15 mill this year.
Posted by: braves077 | November 15, 2007 at 07:58 PM
I don't know that Boras/Andruw would go for a one year with an option type deal. The idea of the one year deal is based on their stance of not doing a one year deal just to get his numbers up for a better contract next year. Boras is arrogant enough that he believes he can get a big contract, but after last year's performance I just don't see it.
By offering and accepting arbitration (ala Maddux), Boras can save face, get the one year deal he swore they wouldn't agree to, then try it again next year when he would be the best CF on the market. This would be a win-win for both sides because the Braves would get their stopgag for CF for a year, then turn the job over to one of the young studs next year when he's ready.
Posted by: Thundersticks | November 15, 2007 at 08:06 PM
Does anybody else get the impression Frank Wren is intentionally trying to be like the exact opposite of John Scheurholz? Like, going out of his way to be very public and vocal with the fans. JS would never do something like this. This is like an FDR fireside chat. I do like it, it's nice to hear the organization's plan from the main source. But at the same time, there was rhyme and reasoning to JS keeping his cards to himself. While making a baseball trade isn't exactly like playing poker, there must have been some net gain from JS philosophy of keeping everyone in the dark, and not letting his trade partners know exactly what he's trying to do. I like this, but I hope it doesn't come back to bite Wren.
Posted by: vt_Brady2705 | November 15, 2007 at 08:32 PM
Does anybody else get the impression Frank Wren is intentionally trying to be like the exact opposite of John Scheurholz? Like, going out of his way to be very public and vocal with the fans. JS would never do something like this. This is like an FDR fireside chat. I do like it, it's nice to hear the organization's plan from the main source. But at the same time, there was rhyme and reasoning to JS keeping his cards to himself. While making a baseball trade isn't exactly like playing poker, there must have been some net gain from JS philosophy of keeping everyone in the dark, and not letting his trade partners know exactly what he's trying to do. I like this, but I hope it doesn't come back to bite Wren.
Posted by: vt_Brady2705 | November 15, 2007 at 08:32 PM
Something Profound:
Smoltz
Hudson
James
Glavine
Hampton
Jurrjens
Reyes
"AAA options"
That's as about as deep of a rotation you will find. Outside of Hampton, the others are above average durability.
Posted by: Land-Man | November 15, 2007 at 10:00 PM
Smoltz
Hudson
James
Glavine
Hampton
Jurrjens
Reyes
Bennett
That is what you are looking at when Glav signs back with the Braves. The only way the Braves will get another starter is if they trade one of the ones they already have. I am liking the idea of putting some sort of deal together that involves James and a few prospects to send to Oakland for on of their young pitcher and Kotsay.
Posted by: SoleMaverick | November 16, 2007 at 01:43 AM
i had mentioned trading for blanton and kotsay awhile ago as well because it would clear 8 million from the A's payroll. with this being done it may take one or two less prospects to make the deal happen. I was then saying the braves could maybe eat 3-4 million and try to spin kotsay to another team maybe looking for a stop gap CF. Or just bring in kotsay keep him have lillibridge be his backup CF, and then we have the backup SS as well ( saw something saying braves dont like prado and aybar at SS) Basically if we pull a trade that brings us Blaton ( or Haren highly doubtful there) and kotsay the braves are going to be in a very good postion.
Posted by: thedeuce | November 16, 2007 at 07:22 AM
Over the last three years, Kotsay has an OPS barely over .700 in a little over two seasons' worth of AB; what is the appeal?!?!?! Give me Blanco or Loadenthal in CF for Atlanta in 2008: they each get on base, are active once there, play good defense and cost 1/20 of what Kotsay would cost! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!!
Posted by: ejruiz777 | November 16, 2007 at 08:51 AM
ejruiz, i wouldnt prefer to have kotsay but if it means us getting blanton then i am all for it. IF healthy Kotsay would be that nice stop gap guy we are looking get him in the trade then it might save us a prospect in the process, and if we were to eat some of the salary i think a team would give up a prospect for him back to us. It all comes down to we are not going to be trading for kotsay without getting one of the SP as well.
Posted by: thedeuce | November 16, 2007 at 09:12 AM
Yea, well, for one plus, I know that his wife is shutmymouth so fine. So, if we get kotsay, we will just keep the cameras on his wife during the game.
Posted by: bravesbeast | November 16, 2007 at 09:13 AM
My guess is that unless something surprising happens on the trade front, the Braves offer Andruw arbitration, both sides check the market at the Winter Meetings, and if nobody else is offering him a long-term deal for big bucks, then Druw comes back for one final season without an option for a second year.
Posted by: ink-stained scribe | November 16, 2007 at 11:32 AM