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Jon Heyman checks in with a couple of notable points.
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Why in the world are the Mets trying to shop Estrada so soon? What can they get for him?
Posted by: TheAngelicDoctor | November 29, 2007 at 05:05 PM
Maybe 1-2 decent Class A prospects that he could put together with some other guys to get Santana.
Posted by: braves077 | November 29, 2007 at 05:07 PM
I honestly think Estrada will be packaged with a decent prospect for Ramon Hernandez.
Posted by: moebarguy | November 29, 2007 at 05:12 PM
I only see Haren gettin traded if the Angels acquire Santana or Cabrera! Beane will then jump ship and prepare for next year. Could see Haren, Blanton, Harden, Chavez, Street and Kotsay gone.
Posted by: braves077 | November 29, 2007 at 05:21 PM
wow and i was okay with estrada he is a switch hitting catcher but if they are going to trade him trade him and a prospcet for saltalamaccia
or kelly spochach from the indians
Posted by: iknowtomuch | November 29, 2007 at 05:26 PM
Uhh Johnny Estrada for "Maybe 1-2 decent Class A prospects that he could put together with some other guys to get Santana." is a joke. In case nobody has noticed, even though i think people have, Estrada is not a very valuable player. He is a below average fielder, and i have never heard anything good about his ability to call games. Plus, even though yes his bat is decent for a catcher, I still struggle with the fact that his OBP was a whopping .296 last season. The Mets gave up Mota for him, and hes a joke. If anything Omar is praying some team will be dumb enough to give up even a B-prospect, at most.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 05:29 PM
"if they are going to trade him trade him and a prospcet for saltalamaccia
or kelly shoppach from the indians".
Thats a joke as well. Unless the prospect you're talking about is one of Milledge, Gomez, Martinez, Pelfrey, Guerra or Mulvey. And even then there is no way Salty is moving.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 05:31 PM
Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe just said "The Yankees are still very much in the hunt with their talks centering around Melky Cabrera and Robinson Cano."
...is he guessing, or are the Yankees actually putting Cano on the block?
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/
Posted by: metafrantic | November 29, 2007 at 05:34 PM
Although i liked Salty before he was traded i think John Scheourholtz new something about him he didn't like. Or liked Tex alot!
Posted by: braves077 | November 29, 2007 at 05:35 PM
The Mets should just keep Estrada. I don't know why Omar Minaya thinks this, but Hernandez and Laird are NOT better than Estrada..
Posted by: Hyro | November 29, 2007 at 05:38 PM
I think the key is that minaya couldn't even get a B prospect for Mota. If he can package Estrada in as a One-Year replacement in a deal for a catcher, why not? Estrada has basically no value as a catcher with poor defense, but at least he can kind of hit. A pitcher who can't pitch (Mota) has none.
Posted by: SkiBolton | November 29, 2007 at 05:42 PM
the Estrada-Mota trade wasn't bad, at least you dont have to give Estrada $15 million like Torreabla. theyre almost the same kind of catcher other than age-wise and Torreabla has more upside. as a rental, Estrada should do okay with the Mets, i dont think the they should spin him off too soon unless the other end gives you a great deal for a catcher like him. if you switch Castro and Estrada every other day, i think you get the production of a .275-.285 regular catcher. i dont see why that can't work out.
Posted by: *Joba Rules* | November 29, 2007 at 05:50 PM
"wow and i was okay with estrada he is a switch hitting catcher but if they are going to trade him trade him and a prospcet for saltalamaccia"
No way the Rangers take back a catcher in any deal for Saltalamacchia...If they trade Salty, they're committing to Taylor Teagarden taking over behind the plate a year from now...The Mets would have to pony up one of theOF prospects to get the Rangers to ship Salty.
Posted by: N41D | November 29, 2007 at 05:53 PM
I agree. I do think an Estrada/Castro platoon would work. I'm just saying that Estrada has practically no trade value on his lonesome, and just a little more in a package.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 05:53 PM
If Bengie had at least some speed....ANY speed....
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 29, 2007 at 05:54 PM
hey, here's a thought, maybe the Mets should try to aquire one of the other young Rangers catchers if they aren't happy with the ones they have. Rangers have Taylor Teagarden and that Chad Tracy that went to Pepperdine. Heilman might get you Teagarden. besides, Heilman could be used as a closer if the Rangers wanted. thats just a idea, but its kinda a fun one.
Posted by: *Joba Rules* | November 29, 2007 at 05:59 PM
They can get more for Estrada than what they would have gotten for Mota.
Posted by: TrueCubsFan | November 29, 2007 at 06:00 PM
i would trade estrada and milledge for salty and a relief pitcher or prospect
Posted by: iknowtomuch | November 29, 2007 at 06:06 PM
"They can get more for Estrada than what they would have gotten for Mota."
Definately agree with that though. I thought it was a great move by Omar, since I think Mota is pretty much done being an effective reliever.
The one guy I think the Mets should be going after all along is Kelly Shoppach. Not really sure who they would have to surrender but I think that seems ideal.
Also, I don't get why the Mets don't go to the Angels and see if the can pry loose one of the Conger, Mathis, Napoli trio. It's a surplus, and maybe they could pull it off.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 06:13 PM
Milledge isnt that great though and neither is Estrada. you would have to somehow get the Rangers GM high on pot before anything of that nature could ever happen. oh, and saltalamacchia is not moving, he is far too valueable to the Rangers right now.
Posted by: *Joba Rules* | November 29, 2007 at 06:13 PM
Salty would fetch more than that no?
And I doubt the Rangers want to trade away the main piece they got for Tex.
It wouldn't go down well with the fans.
Posted by: henry14theking | November 29, 2007 at 06:18 PM
I think Estrada benefits from quite a bit of assessment bias based on his 2004 All Star season - a fluke, career year at age 28. Since then he's been very bad - no walk, no power, empty average offensively and defensively he looks like a guy with a broken arm playing out of position. I never thought it would happen, but seeing Estrada playing last year actually made me pine away for the days of Chad Moeller. How much would you trade for a mix of late career Mackey Sasser on D and Carlos Baerga offensively?
Posted by: Comma8 | November 29, 2007 at 08:03 PM
Comma8, im pretty glad you said that. Your assessment of how people view Estrada is right on with how I feel. It seems like he's still been getting jobs based on how he once played, rather than his current production
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 08:09 PM
Estrada is beyond awful. Some of the suggestions in this thread are flat-out laughable.
Howevern I distinctly remember being excited about him at this time last year, so I guess I somewhat understand.
All I know is that 1 year later, I couldn't be happier that he's gone. He is a lazy, awful-defense,hack-at-anything-that-moves stiff. Good luck with him.
Posted by: brewtown | November 29, 2007 at 08:26 PM
You guys have to realize not to even listen to iknowtoomuch. I think he said he was 14 and has already proposed milledge and pelfrey for kazmir, milledge for salty, milledge and pelfrey for santana, that kind of thing. Bretown, thank you for that. It isnt like the Mets emptied out there system for him or anything. Most met fans would have been happy to give Mota away and eat his contract. To get a half of a platoon for the catcher spot is a huge bonus, even if he isnt very good. It sure beats the hell out of giving 3 years to Lo Duca or Torrealba.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 29, 2007 at 11:46 PM
I would like to go after Shoppach too, while youre there try to pry away Sowers or Lee or one of the extra starters that Cleveland has. I am sure that Shapiro can find some lower level prospects that he likes.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 29, 2007 at 11:49 PM