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Latest Alex Rodriguez Rumors

Ah, your daily dose of Alex Rodriguez rumors.  What would you do without it?

  • Rob Bradford asked Red Sox captain Jason Varitek whether Alex Rodriguez would fit in with the Red Sox clubhouse.  Varitek, you may recall, had a little face-shoving scuffle with A-Rod back in 2004.  Varitek said he had no idea whether Rodriguez would fit in with the current team, but that he knows Mike Lowell does.  It's pretty obvious where Varitek's allegiance lies given the "Re-sign Lowell" sign and all.
  • Gwen Knapp doesn't see the Dodgers getting A-Rod for a couple of reasons.  First, of course, there's the price.  Second, there's a possibly shaky relationship with Scott Boras given last year's unexpected opt-out by J.D. Drew.
  • Mark Feinsand disagrees - his L.A. source says the Dodgers will make a push for him.  The expected hiring of Joe Torre will basically be a non-factor in Rodriguez's decision.  Plan B for the Dodgers might be to sign Torii Hunter or Andruw Jones.  That leaves Juan Pierre in left field or traded.  Hey, it was a dumb signing at the time.
  • Feinsand also has a source indicating that Rodriguez is hoping the Yankees will entertain the possibility of bringing him back.  The Yankees, of course, are scarred by the Texas money lost and have pledged repeatedly that they will not be involved.  We've seen this a million times - teams love fresh faces.  Say A-Rod had played out his Texas contract to this point - do you think the Yankees would be in the mix for him then?  If the Yankees don't want A-Rod because he's simply too expensive, that's reasonable.  But if they simply feel scorned by the opt-out, that's emotion.
  • Omar Minaya said on a conference call yesterday that he planned on discussing the team's interest in A-Rod with David Wright, since Wright would have to move to second base to accomodate him.
  • A new team is going after A-Rod aggressively.

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Not that it matters much but down here the radio seems to be high on the idea of Arod to the Fish

Then the fish trading Cabrera and Willis for pieces to put around ARod.

The Miami boy coming home, saving the "dead franchise" as he would fill the stadium as he is an "event" all by himself.

With the funding gap filled recently for the marlins (see sun sentinel articles). The fish could have the stadium construction start soon as they agree with the deal.

Arod I think personally ends up an Angel but it would be interesting to consider. 21 million in Willis + Miggy or 28 million a year in ARod? The hometown boy that will break Hank Aaron's all time homerun (real record) record someday.

It makes alot of sense in a weird way.

I don't know - as a Yankee fan obviously I love is production, and I know the "choker" label is small sample size/media garbage.

But to me the biggest problem was the disrespect he showed towards the organization: refusing to take their calls, refusing to even listen to the largest offer made in the history of professional sports (I think, right?), blatantly lying about his reason for opting out, and trivializing his relationship with long-standing Yankees (if you're so concerned about what Rivera, Posada, and Pettitte are going to do, why not just call them and ask?).


I just can't take him back after that.

I think there would have to be several things to happen:

1) He signs for $22M a year or so.

2) He issues a public apology to the team and fans.

3) He does it very soon, so the Yankees can get underway with their other plans.


Of course the chances any one of those happening, let alone all 3, are basically zero.

It's looking more and more like nobody has a reason to sign A-Rod...

Maybe I'm in the minority, but to people REALLY come to see players like ARod? The #1 factor, by far, that people come to see a game (short of one-off things, like approaching the HR record), is the quality of the team.

Is it really that exciting to watch ARod hit a home run? For me, the most exciting thing is a close game with drama. I know that most baseball fans that I know feel the same way.


A position player just doesn't play enough in a single game to warrant coming to the stadium just to see him. A starting pitcher, I could see. Even an amazing reliever - I went to a came where Joba came in and I absolutely got chills.

But ARod? Or nearly any position player for that matter? I could care less. Give me a good team, and make me care about the game - not the player.

What do you guys think?

I see the Dodgers going after either Santana or ARod. They have 50-60M coming off the books after '08 and could easily afford either.

They are sitting in great shape with there strong farm system that could surround either expensive player with very good cheap players.

I just wonder what kind of team will come out of nowhere and try to get him.

"But if they simply feel scorned by the opt-out, that's emotion."
I disagree. He basically threw away the 20 or so million dollars owed to the Yankees from the Rangers that would have been included in the extension. By him opting out without even listening to the extension offer, it would cost the Yankees $20 million more than they would have had to spend on him if they do sign him. I'm sure part of it is emotion, but the other part is 20 million dollars.
If I was a Yankees fan, I would think, "screw that guy, that extra money could have been spent on acquiring more or better players."
Rodreguez and Boras screwed the Yankees soley, in my opinion, to be able to make the announcement during the 8th inning of the final game of the World Series. I bet if the timing of the announcement was not a priority, they would have listened to an offer from the Yankees.
Anyway, from what I've read, I'd say he is going to the Angels or Mets. My money is on the Angels.

I agree bobo, I also have a hard time believing that Rodriguez would draw a crowd by himself. for a month or two, sure, but beyond that he's only a draw as far as he's making his team better. for a team like Anaheim, he would definitely do that. for Florida, not so much, unless a lot of their young talent peaks at the same time.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but to people REALLY come to see players like ARod? The #1 factor, by far, that people come to see a game (short of one-off things, like approaching the HR record), is the quality of the team.
Is it really that exciting to watch ARod hit a home run? For me, the most exciting thing is a close game with drama. I know that most baseball fans that I know feel the same way.

A position player just doesn't play enough in a single game to warrant coming to the stadium just to see him. A starting pitcher, I could see. Even an amazing reliever - I went to a came where Joba came in and I absolutely got chills.
But ARod? Or nearly any position player for that matter? I could care less. Give me a good team, and make me care about the game - not the player.
What do you guys think?
Posted by: bobo | November 01, 2007 at 09:48 AM

Gotta disagree you need to look at how Miami is. It is an Event town where people come to see Single big names. The Dolphins drew because they always won, but also because of Marino. The heat couldn’t give away seats till they got Shaq and now Wade too now there is a waiting line for 15,000+ people for season tickets in the lower bowl.

For the Panthers they were packing the place when they had bure, now that he is gone and no major draw they dropped off as well (middle of the pack).


If they signed Arod long term it would show 4 things
1. That they are going to keep a player for the long term around here
2. They are bringing in the local boy to break the records here
3. A force of stability for the team that is always in constant change, it is no wonder that after 4-5 years a player is always gone from us because the ownership has never shown stability here (and changes itself a lot)
4. It would show that the ownership is willing to pay to put a solid product on the field

Arod would get them a Stadium, adding that to the fact that he would bring name and recognition to the team. They would get shown nationally, jerseys would be sold all over, they would get reported upon by things like ESPN and noticed. Right now they are the forgotten team and our only 2 games on national Tv last year were a phillies and mets games at the end of the year because it was big for Those markets. ARod would put the team on the map.

Not only would he draw, he would draw interest into the team and sport.

He has expressed a chance at ownership, where better after his career then here in a latin market that he is loved in?

PS as a yankee fan all my life too, I feel that yankee fans are nuts to be happy he is gone he is the reason we made the playoffs the last few years.

I don't think the Mets are an option, because I believe ARod opted out without even listening to the Yankees because he wants to get out of NY.

Boras will keep saying he's interested in the Yankees and Mets to drive the price up, but in the end he'll go somewhere where he thinks he'll be more comfortable.

Agreed with Marvel; it would be an emotional decision if we didn't sign Posada because we felt scorned that he wanted to see his market. Rodriguez opting out and costing the team $20MM+ adds a financial aspect to the issue. In all likelihood, that's half the money that will be going to Rivera. Granted the Yankees waste $20MM annually somewhere, but to have a player just toss it away (and 10 days before he had to) isn't all that forgivable.

I think the Yankees have enough choices to not sign A-Rod based on principle. Of course they are scorned by A-Rod opting out, and it's entirely possible that a point could come after the GM meetings where Cashman will believe that the best thing he can do for the Yankees is offer A-Rod a contract. At that point, I think he has to be firm in his belief that having a player who cares more about a big contract and less about winning is not the right person to play for his team.

Hmm...I agree with all you said, but with these caveats:

- I don't know if the comparisons to Marino and Shaq are valid, simply because of the amount of time they spend with the ball in their respective sports. In other words, I think star power is much more of a driving force in football and basketball than in baseball (at least in the case of position players).

- I agree that he'll increase interest, but not THAT much. In the beginning, more people will come, but after that if the team still isn't good, attendance will suffer. Sure, all things being equal, if they're a 93-win team with ARod maybe they'll draw a little better than a 93-win team without ARod. But the key is being a 93-win team. A 93-win team without ARod would certainly draw better than a 77-win team with him. Do you agree with that?

Now, if getting ARod increases their revenue, and increases their chances of a new stadium (which in turn increases their revenue), then the team will improve, and attendance will increase, which is more what I think you're saying - I totally agree.

But I don't agree with the basic "fans will come to see ARod" line, at least not for the long-term.

Here's the question to ask yourself to determine if it's emotion.

If A-Rod was just now leaving Texas and wanted a ten year, $300MM contract, would the Yankees talk to Boras?

Answer? Yes. The fact that they won't now is scorn, emotion.

Tim, you're assuming the Yankees believe Rodriguez's fair value actually is 10 years at $300MM. They've had all year to figure out what they think his value is and they presented it to him at 8 years, $240MM. A claim that they're making an emotional can only be proven if Rodriguez decides in late November that he'd accept the original 8 year, $240MM extension offered and the Yanks pull it off the table. Because they won't go an extra 2 years at $60MM proves nothing other than their perception of his fair value.

I guess agree it's emotion, but I think it's justified. Do you disagree, Tim?

Don't you think that blatantly disrespecting the organization is a valid reason for refusing to sign a player?

I think chemistry and all that is overrated, but what would his teammates think? This is one case where it could get ugly quick in that clubhouse.

It's not just 30 million with arod, the team has to pay an additional 40% on top of that in luxury tax. Thats 42 million next year as opposed to 22 million. Besides arod, what other player this year will make 20 million? This wasn't emotion, this was economics. There is a pitcher or two coming next year that may justify 20 million plus, and losing arod and giambi's 21 million certainly make the odds of a pair of lefties in pinstripes better.

There's another reason not to negotiate with him - they said they wouldn't and need to maintain their credibility.

Whether or not it was a good strategy on their part is debatable, but what's done is done and if they sign him now, teams won't believe their ultimatums.

Even worse, if they negotiate but don't sign him, they lose their credibility AND ARod.

I have to wonder about whether they would be in it for 10 years and 300 million. Why would any team want to sign him to a deal that ends when he's 42??? He puts up great numbers, but what's he gonna look like at 42? I think the yankees see this and realize that he's just not worth the money and the years combined that they would have to pay.

Hmm...I agree with all you said, but with these caveats:
- I don't know if the comparisons to Marino and Shaq are valid, simply because of the amount of time they spend with the ball in their respective sports. In other words, I think star power is much more of a driving force in football and basketball than in baseball (at least in the case of position players).
- I agree that he'll increase interest, but not THAT much. In the beginning, more people will come, but after that if the team still isn't good, attendance will suffer. Sure, all things being equal, if they're a 93-win team with ARod maybe they'll draw a little better than a 93-win team without ARod. But the key is being a 93-win team. A 93-win team without ARod would certainly draw better than a 77-win team with him. Do you agree with that?
Now, if getting ARod increases their revenue, and increases their chances of a new stadium (which in turn increases their revenue), then the team will improve, and attendance will increase, which is more what I think you're saying - I totally agree.
But I don't agree with the basic "fans will come to see ARod" line, at least not for the long-term.
Posted by: bobo | November 01, 2007 at 10:04 AM


I understand what you are getting at and I agree in Football and basketball 1 player (QB in particular) does handle the game and draw more in attendance of note. But, Miami with it’s large latin population can feed upon it still. I think the key would be a sustained health of the franchise but really stability is the key here.

It would be a move to bring in stability to the team for the first time since Wayne sold it. They have never tried to “bring back” really the big names except once with Lowell which did not work out well.

Now assuming *hypothetical* that they did get arod. What about the following scenario.
1. Flip D-train to Seattle for Clement and spec (or texas for salty and prospect got a lot of catching depth there, or st louis for Anderson and few specs). With the pitching market being crap he could return that, which seals up catcher for the long term.
2. Flip Miguel Cabrera to the dodgers for Kemp, Billingsley and Kershaw (or other prospects 2-3 in minors of lesser note). You fill up CF and 2 arms in the rotation next year.

You now have a 1-8 of Hanley, Hermida, Arod, Clement, Kemp, Willingham, Jacobs, Uggla. With the fish last year putting up 4th most HRs in the league and the potential of that lineup for scoring runs is monsterous. You fill up the rotation now with Billingsley, Sanchez, Olsen, Nolasco, Volstad, Hernandez, Kershaw, Johnson, Vanden Hurk, Tucker, etc etc etc with numerous arms to come soon. Plus a Great bullpen last year we had and all young too.

Pretty much just filled the holes of the team up, freed up the money for Arod (miggy+willis pretty much almost cover him at 21 million together) and improved the team in all of their holes.

Granted that is hypothetical and perhaps beneficial in trades to the fish but it makes some sense from a Money perspective as it would be a team to draw for ARod first and then in the future for winning would keep them there. Plus the stadium funding gap has been filled up (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-flspmarstad31nboct31,0,1858454.story just waiting on loria to say yes to the deal). Pretty much puts Florida as a marketable winning team for the long run.

And a scary one at that, I think the problem is it makes too much sense and in baseball offseasons what makes sense seems to never happen (see contract of Juan Pierre and Matthews Jr for examples).

There are sooooo many more players that I would rather watch than A-Rod.

How about going to see Vlad or Big Pappi? Those guys love the game. They always have a smile on their face.

From the perspective of watching a game, give me someone who loves the game and it shows over someone who plays the game because it's his job.

If you think A-Rod will bring up attendance look at Texas as an example. I just don't see A-Rod bringing in more people than Miggy and A-Rod comes with a much larger price tag.

You know who smiles a *ton*? Melky Cabrera. You'd love him, I think.

Well, that Marlins plan is certainly reasonable, but here are the problems I see:

1) Clement can't be counted on to produce much. I'd prefer Salti, but either would be a good return for the unfathomably overrated Willis. Hell, I'd trade him for Max Ramirez (part of that Texas catching depth).

2) The upgrade from Cabrera to ARod isn't that great. It may be nonexistent. Betting on him to repeat (and maintain) 2007's numbers is foolish. He should start declining, while Cabreral, based on age, should continue to improve.

3) I think that's too much for Cabrera. I can't see any way the Dodgers trade both Billingsley and Kershaw period, let alone in the same deal for a player who will be a FA in 2 seasons who's going to make $25M+ in 08 and 09 (combined).


4) Even with all those guys, the starting pitching is suspect. I don't know what you can count on from Sanchez and Olsen, or Johnon in 2009.


5) Do you really want to sell that low on Willis? I hate him and don't think he'll get better - but he might. I guess it's worth it if you get Clement, but it's hard to imagine even someone as stupid as Bavasi making a deal like that - especially after just getting burned badly picking up an overrated NL starter (Ramirez). In any case, it's probably best to hold onto Willis, pray for a miracle, and trade him a midseason.

Would LA be the right landing spot for Cabrera anyway? The organization seems to have a problem with young, confident/arrogant players and Miguel certainly seems to fit that profile.

"You know who smiles a *ton*? Melky Cabrera. You'd love him, I think."

I know this was tongue-in-cheek, but honestly, watching Cabrera is a lot more fun than watching ARod:

1) in general, I think OF are more exciting than IF

2) youthful enthusiasm is definitely appealing - seeing him and Cano playing around together is great.

3) his arm is nothing short of amazing. Watching a rifle throw from the OF, at least for me, is one of the most exciting plays in baseball. I would prefer to see Melky gunning out a runner at home over an ARod home run (or a home run from ANY player) in a second, without question.

I don't know - home runs just don't do it for me.

Unfortunately, the things that are most exciting for me to watch (speed, defense, enthusiasm) are about the exact opposite of the things that are actually most valuable (walks, patience, power). But I guess patience and power causes team success, which is the most exciting thing.

Are there any Boras clients who might be targeted to move to the Rangers in this offseason?

I might be way off base here, but is there any possibility that Arod truly intended to stay with the Yankees, and the opt out move was intended to free up the Texas money to make salary room for another Boras client to land with the Rangers?

Well, that Marlins plan is certainly reasonable, but here are the problems I see:
1) Clement can't be counted on to produce much. I'd prefer Salti, but either would be a good return for the unfathomably overrated Willis. Hell, I'd trade him for Max Ramirez (part of that Texas catching depth).
I don’t think Clement produces like his call up but I feel that he will be a solid MLB player with a 260/340/500 type line with average defense behind the plate (think is reasonable) specially for a lefty catcher is useful.
I do like Ramirez too but would want Hurley too then :) Or the SS kid in the tex deal.

2) The upgrade from Cabrera to ARod isn't that great. It may be nonexistent. Betting on him to repeat (and maintain) 2007's numbers is foolish. He should start declining, while Cabreral, based on age, should continue to improve.
I agree that Cabrera will eventually out produce Arod, heck even next year it is possible putting Cabrera in a solid ballpark and giving him some protection (he has like none here). But I feel that Arod is an upgrade in the drawing and money making perspective which is all Loria Cares about. What will draw and bring in fans and name to the team, even though I think Cabrera will win a triple crown someday if he someday goes to the AL and doesn’t need to compete with Pujols for it.
3) I think that's too much for Cabrera. I can't see any way the Dodgers trade both Billingsley and Kershaw period, let alone in the same deal for a player who will be a FA in 2 seasons who's going to make $25M+ in 08 and 09 (combined).
Well that is why I said Kemp + Billingsley (most likely specs perhaps Elbert whom got hurtfor instance or other solid prospects they have a lot of depth in lesser ones). Still that is 2 years holding time for a player that has the potential to become a future HoF and is on pace by age 30 to have 500 HR and getting close to 3000 hits by the early 30s. Pretty amazing. But even if not sending miggy to there they can get a great package from someone. Every team in baseball would want the player that is following the career of Hank Aaron to a tee.
4) Even with all those guys, the starting pitching is suspect. I don't know what you can count on from Sanchez and Olsen, or Johnon in 2009.
You never know but I am betting with the return of Wiley that he will add stability to thecoaching staff for the pitchers. I think he can develop the control problem of olsen that sprung up from the issues around him. Sanchez will be back and Johnson (I expect end of the year no need to rush him). Never know what you can count on but a few of them just had bad luck issues others dead arm, I think the rest will give them time to drop that and pick it up. I think out of all of the depth we have including those guys most of them will put it together.

5) Do you really want to sell that low on Willis? I hate him and don't think he'll get better - but he might. I guess it's worth it if you get Clement, but it's hard to imagine even someone as stupid as Bavasi making a deal like that - especially after just getting burned badly picking up an overrated NL starter (Ramirez). In any case, it's probably best to hold onto Willis, pray for a miracle, and trade him a midseason.
I think with Wiley back there is no need to sell low, but Clement I think would be a solid get. The pitching market is so horrible someone will bite for pitching. Else they will be chasing whom can sign Matt Clement to hope he returns to form of 5-6 years ago. Even so a lefty 25 year old that eats up 200 innings a year and if he has a solid defense behind him can get outs easily is a nice project. Never been an injury risk (1 pushed back start because of getting stepped on). So Really he is still marketable to fans and to a team upon that aspect. Yes his value can go back up but if you want Arod you would need to clear the salary space
Posted by: bobo | November 01, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Like I have said I see arod in LA with the angels and winning a WS personally.
But, I think the Arod to the marlins rumors do make a lot of sense.

Personally if it was me running the show I would lock up Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida both on 5 year contracts (arby + 1 year) right now and try to lock up Miggy, promote the hell out of him as the face of the franchise forever. He has said he would love to stay here and his wife has. But loria is an idiot, even thoug ha smart one that made 58,000,000 dollars profit off of the marlins last year and close to that the year before too. Sickening we need a cap and minium in baseball.

Tim,
I agree with you in principle, but the fact is he didn't just come from Texas and if the Yankees were to sign Rodriguez, it's like they would have to pay at least $20 million (was it 20 or 30 the Rangers owed them?)more than they had to.
Plus, they said all along they wouldn't sign him as a free agent, because they would lose that money. That tells me a was a business decision made a long time before he scorned them. I guess Boras was gambling that it was a bluff. I actually liked Rodriguez before (I live 2 miles from his car dealership-not that that matters) but it would be hilarious if he got less money than the Yankees offered. I can't afford to buy one of his Mercedes anyway.

I find it hilarious that Yankee fans, cry about A-rod loyalty to the team.

1. Last year, Steinbrenner and Co. acted like Bernie Williams was trying to steal money from them when he wanted to come back, where was the yankees loyalty for Bermie "a true yankee". Even Posada and Mariano are upset about that deal and they watched how they did him.


2. The Yankees deliberately dominated the headlines for the past three weeks with news about Toree, Girardi and whoever while games were still going. A-rod learned from them how to try to influence the news.

3. Where was the loyalty when they were throwing him under the bus last year, putting out stories about him, that you knew came from inside the dugout, and batting him 8th. And you fans booed a returning MVP, how stupid!

I knew last year before spring training that A-Rod was opting out. Who wouldn't. The fan, media and ownership treated him like crap last year and now they are using this incident to crap on him some more. Just face it, you love Jeter too much to ever let someone else come in and be a star. You hate the guy and if he had returned, and maybe had a mild slump it would have taken you two seconds to pounce again because you are doing it now.

1. I don't think many Yankees fans are crying about loyalty here. Most of us understand he has a right to opt out but are a little perturbed he did it before the window was up and for doing it during the WS. As for Bernie, his time was up. You can't let a guy play forever simply because he was once great.

2. Its Torre. And I'm not sure holding meetings in Tampa a week after the season is "deliberately dominating" the news. The coverage was ridiculous and overblown and all that, but I don't know what the Yanks could have done aside from muzzling a senile owner.

3. Agreed with the sentiment if not the phrasing. Rodriguez has every right to tell Yankees fans to screw off for the treatment he received. What really sucks is being one of his defenders and recognizing this. His only demerit here is that he's been disingenuous about things; if you don't want to be here most of us can accept that. Honesty would go along way in currying favor with general baseball fans if thats among his intentions. "I was treated poorly by the fans while I was there and I don't feel like I owe them anything. I'm going to explore the market and if it leads me away from New York, so be it." I think even a lot of Yankees fans would respect that.

Some of these posts amuse me. A-Rod should come back and issue and apology to the team and fans? Are you serious? Ever think the reason A-Rod left was because half the Yankees fans in here were booing him relentlesly in 2006, while having a year most baseball players would consider their best?

A-Rod doesnt owe the Yankees a thing, and he owes their fans even less. Why it was a surprise that he opts out when he was treated like the fucking anti-christ just last year is absurd. Yankee fans think they have some kind of entitlement to the best players, etc.

"Who cares that we booed A-Rod without even really knowing why? Everybody was doing it, we just wanted to fit in at the stadium, it was the thing to do" H will forgive us and be back, cuz hey, were the fuckin Yankees."

That seems to be the stance a lot fo Yankee fans had on A-Rod before he left. Now they all feel hurt and used and tricked..... give me a break.

Kaye, completely wrong on every point.

1. There is a huge difference between a decision not to bring back an unproductive player (Bernie), and the ARod situation. Loyalty alone should not determine how you run your team - and Bernie WAS offerred a non-roster invitation, which he refused.

I have no problem whatsoever with ARod opting out. What I have a huge problem with is his refusal to even talk to the Yankees. Opting out far earlier than he had to, while he knew the Yankees were ready to make an offer and had requested multiple meetings is akin to spitting in their face. And NOW, Boras is getting scared and wants to let the Yankees know that they can still bid on him.

2. The Yankees had to get their manager questions resolved quickly. They had no choice. They did not hold press conferences, they did not intentionally "dominate the headlines." The New York media did. It was the same story every day - NY media staking out the Spring Training complex and Torre's house, demanding a statement. The Yankees repeatedly said "we have no news." They didn't deliberately dominate any headlines.

Once Torre rejected the offer, they had a 10 minute conference call.

They waited until after the WS was over to announce Girardi, despite the fact that the decision was made days earlier, and waiting could potentially hurt them because it would give them less time to negotiate with their free agents (particularly ARod, who had not yet opted out).

If anything, they went out of their way NOT to dominate the headlines (though of course the NY media wouldn't have any of that).


3. Yankee fans can be brutal and unfair, to ANY new player. ARod also has higher expectations, and rightfully so given his contract and his history.

Nobody is complaining that he doesn't want to play here - if he came right out and said "I'm opting out because I feel like I was treated poorly", some people would call him a baby, and others would agree.

I'd agree - like I said, the problems I have with him are:

1) opting out without listening to the Yankees offer and refusing even to meet with them

2) doing it during the WS

3) lying about his reason for opting out

4) and now, once maybe there's not as much interest as Boras thought, telling the Yankees "Hey, just want to let you know, you can still bid for me as a FA."

Believe me I know all to well the Braves never anny up, but they were in the hunt when A-rod signed with the Rangers.
With Edgar gone. Why not now?

"From the perspective of watching a game, give me someone who loves the game and it shows over someone who plays the game because it's his job."

Thats interesting, because not many guys work harder on and off the field then A-Rod. How many superstars are there that run hard on every groundball they hit. Certainly not Vlad or Big Papi.

"A-Rod should come back and issue and apology to the team and fans? Are you serious?"

No, but the Yankees should not re-sign him without him doing so.

Getting booed comes with the territory of being a MLB player. Being criticized in the media does too - especially if you play in NY or Boston.

These things are in no way comparable to the utter lack of respect he showed the Yankees during the opt-out.

You're right, he doesn't owe the fans a thing, as it stands now. But now that Boras is back, practically begging the Yankees to bid on him as a FA, he certainly owes the team an apology and a reasonable (truthful) explanation for why he opted out when he did.

"Thats interesting, because not many guys work harder on and off the field then A-Rod. How many superstars are there that run hard on every groundball they hit. Certainly not Vlad or Big Papi."

Completely, 100% valid point. I get that Vlad doesn't because of his back and Ortiz doesn't because of his knee/stress but that doesn't take away from Rodriguez. The guy busted his ass every single day he was in NY.

I agree 100% that he played hard, and tried his best. Unlike most Yankee fans, I know he didn't "choke" in the postseason, and his poor performance was not due to any lack of preparedness on his part.

I know you weren't contesting my earlier point, but all I'm saying is that he's not that fun for me to watch - it has nothing to do with his effort or skill - more with his position, his style of play (which as I said is more valuable to the team than styles of play which are more fun to watch), and other things that are out of his control.

I think it was a general comment to the people who are lazily saying he only cares about money and all that. He cares about winning; anyone who watches him knows that. Whether or not he cares about winning above happiness (and I presume he'd be much happier out of NY) isn't really for me to judge.

I agree with the fun to watch players. Most of my favorites, current and all-time, are CFs. Favorite non-Yankee to watch right now is Sizemore, hands down.

I think Rodriguez wants the Yankees in the mix, so it can keep his price high. Even though I still think there is a chance he will re-sign with the Yankees after tempers cool, how he and Boras treated the Yankees before he opted out shows he doesn't want to be a Yankee. He should at least sat down and talked to them and be courteous to their offers. Giving the Yankees the shaft like that is going to piss them off to no ends. The Yankees may spend alot of money, but they are chumps like Tom Hicks.

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