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Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus tell us not to expect the Yankees to offer arbitration with Alex Rodriguez and Scott Boras. However, Brian Cashman told Joel Sherman "of course" the Yankees would offer it, because of the two draft picks involved.
Sherman notes that there's a "very slim possibility" of Rodriguez accepting, and then getting a $30-40MM one-year contract as a result of the hearing. He adds that A-Rod would lose his no-trade clause in this scenario. This would be a great scenario for the Yankees. Rodriguez on any kind of one-year commitment is a sweet deal, and he'd be very trade-able. One year, $40MM is a lot easier to stomach for any team than 10 years, $300MM.
If they do offer arbitration and A-Rod declines (the most likely scenario), the Yankees will hope for one of the teams picking 16th-30th in next June's draft to sign him. That could be the Cubs, Tigers, Mets, Angels, or Red Sox. In those cases the Yankees get that team's first-round pick. On the flip side, it would not be preferred if the Dodgers, Giants, or any other team picking 1st-15th signs him. Those picks are protected.
Interesting A-Rod side note: one GM surveyed by Jerry Crasnick predicted A-Rod would end up with the Orioles.
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What is Will Carroll talking about? Why wouldn't they offer him arbitration?
Posted by: tyler | November 07, 2007 at 02:02 PM
True That. I mean, theres no downside to doing it.
Posted by: RenegadeRalphE | November 07, 2007 at 02:04 PM
It seems like a no brainer to offer Arbo. If he accepts it's possibly setting up the biggest trade ever. and if he doesn't the draft picks will be nice
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 07, 2007 at 02:16 PM
OK - bear with me as this is a huge stretch on many levels ( I think ). Yankees offer arbitration - Arod accepts. He asks for $40 Million and actually wins. Now the Yankees payroll has just jumped $20m without adding anyone ( I am counting the loss of texas money - they would have paid him 20m before he opted out ). Who will trade for 1 yr of $40m Arod? Yanks might have to pay at least $10mil of salary and what would they get back? Arod can only justify $30 mil+ over a long term deal when he makes a run at Bonds record. I think most likely Yanks would be stuck with a $40m player who does not want to be there. Boras would love to get a 1 year $40m contract - makes a 6yr $200 seem like a bargain.
I realise that this is alot of very big what ifs but its the only scenerio I can think of why they would hesitate offering him arbitration. I know I am missing something logically but I have been up for over 28 hrs so feel free to bring up what I am missing.
Posted by: touchmymonkey | November 07, 2007 at 02:41 PM
I just don't think there is any way that the ruling is going to say he is worth more than 25 or 30 mil, and thats why they absolutely should do it. Do you really think he could win at 40 mil? Is there anyone making even 25 right now?
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 07, 2007 at 02:45 PM
I thought Arod was making $27 with Texas picking up $7 - although last year I think it was $23. I would never say never when it comes to arbitration odds are should he would get $30-35 - Boras may want to take that chance. And on the side note I would love Arod to become an Oriole since ( and Tim you can verify this on the contest thread) I called that awhile ago and would be nice for me to get something right at least once in my life.
Posted by: touchmymonkey | November 07, 2007 at 03:06 PM
Cashman has said taht they WILL offer A-Rod arbitration:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyside075450050nov07,0,1137245.story?track=rss
Posted by: metafrantic | November 07, 2007 at 03:23 PM
I would love to see NOBODY sign Arod...let his dumbass sit out a season. See how Boras feels then...lol
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 07, 2007 at 03:33 PM
You cannot have your salary reduced through the arbitration process.
A-rod would receive more than $35 million a year from the process.
Posted by: YouthofToday | November 07, 2007 at 03:46 PM
I thought you COULD have your salary reduced....but only like 10 or 20 percent or something. Can someone clarify? Would he HAVE to get a raise?
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 07, 2007 at 04:19 PM
If he would have gotten 27 million, why would his arbitration have to be 35? If they went in with a figure between 27-30 and Boras came back with a figure of 40 million, I'd have a hard time believing Boras would win that one.
Actually with the spread between the two they'd likely settle.
Either way ARod will decline arbitration. Although I was the one who said he'd stay and extend with the Yankees, so take that for what you will.
Posted by: tmar | November 07, 2007 at 05:13 PM
Didn't Mark Prior make less money this year because he lost his arbitration?
Posted by: Dave | November 07, 2007 at 05:43 PM
Prior got less but I don't think it went to arbitration. I think they settled on that number. But I think you are right. There can be a small reduction.
Posted by: cachhubguy | November 07, 2007 at 05:50 PM
I can't imagine him making $35M, and $40M is completely out of the question. The typical argument in arbitration hearings is to look at the salaries of similar players. Sure, he had a great season, but it wasn't totally historic (in the way that some of Bonds' seasons were, for example). Giving him a $40M contract would essentially be saying that he is worth the same as Bonds and Manny Ramirez, for example.
I believe the most your salary could be decreased by is 20%.
And like others said, the $30-35M is in the context of a long-term contract, where the team would reap the gains of having him chase and break the HR record. That doesn't apply here.
Boras would have to tread very carefully here, because it's very unlikely he would be awarded much more than $30M. Plus, being forced to accept arbitration, then losing in it, would be devestating to Boras.
If he accepts, they'll settle on a one-year deal for around $30-32M.
And I agree, there is no chance that he's not offered arbitration. Will Carroll is usually right on the money; maybe he was drunk when he wrote that or something.
Posted by: bobo | November 07, 2007 at 05:59 PM
Also interesting is that up until 2005, Boras lost 59% of his arbitration cases.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/all-about-arbitration/
Posted by: bobo | November 07, 2007 at 06:04 PM
Hmm... ARod to the Orioles?
1. ARod's baseball idol was Cal Ripken.
2. If Tejada is moved, ARod could have his shortstop days revived.
3. ARod would be able to have a percentage of MASN worked into his contract.
...Could happen.
Posted by: TheBigDMoney | November 07, 2007 at 06:10 PM
I had always thought that players could look for a larger salary in a one year deal than in a long term contract.
and in arb, how do they determine the relevant pool of players for comparison? Would it just be other 3B?
Would they have corner OF in there, but adjust their value down on account of their position?
Posted by: wihargo | November 07, 2007 at 06:12 PM
I'm not sure, because this would be an exceptional case (the norm is players who have yet to be FA eligible).
Here is the exact wording from the current Basic Agreement regarding this point:
The arbitration panel shall, except for a Player with five or more years of Major League service, give particular attention, for comparative salary purposes, to the contracts of Players with Major League service not exceeding one annual service group above the Player's annual service group. This shall not limit the ability of a Player or his representative, because of special accomplishment, to argue the equal relevance of salaries of Players without regard to service, and the arbitration panel shall give whatever weight to such argument as is deemed appropriate.
I think they'd simply look at the best hitters in baseball, and adjust them upwards a bit to consider when their contracts were signed and the position they play.
Still, it's hard to imagine arriving at a value of $35M when everyone else is at $20M or below.
In most cases yes - larger salary for one year, but again this is an exception. You're talking about a player with a historic career, and that's what you're paying for. If you were purely measuring his value to his team, I think you'd get something like $25M or so.
So in this case, "no long term deal bonus" I don't think applies.
In fact, I might argue that $25M is more realistic than $35M.
And by the way Tim, it is REALLY annoying to be signed in, writing a post (because the comment box wouldn't be there if I wasn't signed in), hit post, and then get the typepad screen saying "I must be logged in to comment".
Does this happen to anyone else?
Posted by: bobo | November 07, 2007 at 06:32 PM
I love Balt to get Arod. Owner has spent money before ( Belle ) - and you know that Macphail will get decent bounty out of players for Tejada, Bedard, Hernandez plus a roleplayer or two. Balt would keep nice core of Arod/Roberts/Markakis - might be able to put together a competitive team fairly quickly. Camden Yards would be full again - especially once Arod is near Bonds - the TV network will just about pay for Arod by itself. I love the inner Harbor and have been told - although not truly sure - that Orioles owner owns a good chunk of the restaurants and hotels etc there. If thats true every sellout means even more profit. But like I have said before- I see things abit differently and don't have a great track record for being correct.
Posted by: touchmymonkey | November 07, 2007 at 06:42 PM
"And by the way Tim, it is REALLY annoying to be signed in, writing a post (because the comment box wouldn't be there if I wasn't signed in), hit post, and then get the typepad screen saying "I must be logged in to comment". Does this happen to anyone else?"
bobo, that happens to me to. It's really annoying.
Posted by: metafrantic | November 07, 2007 at 07:35 PM
As long as we are venting here Tim... I have no problem with the ads - hell you can have ads every other line for all I care but the flashing ones twitch me up abit - something called zwinkys? Ads=good flashing= A.D.D. kicks in and can't read anything - kind of like mesmorizing a two year old with something shiny
Posted by: touchmymonkey | November 07, 2007 at 07:41 PM
Firefox + Ad Block Plus + NoScript = no ads
Posted by: mind_vs_body | November 07, 2007 at 09:05 PM