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UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 11:20am: Joel Sherman says Stephen Drew, Mark Reynolds, and Tony Pena are also off the table in the Haren talks.
UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 8:09am: Susan Slusser adds that the A's aren't being unreasonable with Arizona - they haven't asked for Justin Upton or Chris Young. Slusser also notes that Billy Beane wouldn't sit down with the Tigers unless they'd discuss Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin. That's when the Tigers turned to the Marlins. Beane downplayed the chances of trading Haren, but what else is he going to say?
FROM 12-5-07 at 12:09am:
Technically it's Wednesday now, and some of the more rumor-filled threads were getting really long. So I'm happy to start a set of new ones. You can check out Tuesday's Dan Haren thread here.
According to Jack Magruder of the East Valley Tribune, the D'Backs are willing to discuss a package of Carlos Gonzalez, Emilio Bonifacio, and Brett Anderson for Haren. That the D'Backs could spare these three very talented youngsters without skipping a beat speaks to how deep their farm system is. Magruder's source says the A's could ask for a staggering six players.
Jose Valverde, Dustin Nippert, and/or Alberto Callaspo could be involved to give the A's some MLB-ready talent. From previous reports, we know that Conor Jackson and Max Scherzer will not be involved. Ken Rosenthal had suggested last night that the A's initial request scared the D'Backs off, but he's since corrected that information.
The A's, however, want to wait for something to happen with Johan Santana before trading Haren.
Additionally, Magruder adds that the D'Backs have a touch of interest in Noah Lowry.
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we all are waiting for something to happen with Johan
Posted by: GoBoSox420 | December 05, 2007 at 12:12 AM
I still don't think the Yanks are out on Johan. I read a quote today that rang pretty true; the Yankees wait 'til everything gets quiet until they pounce.
Like.. around now.
Posted by: TheCaptain2 | December 05, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Yankees have been out of it for only 24 hours, hardly quiet. Six players is ridiculous. Sure, Haren is young and cheap, but he should not be valued more than Santana. I could see the A's getting about equal to what the Twins get. That is reasonable.
Posted by: SirScore | December 05, 2007 at 12:28 AM
"GoBoSox420"
I put the over/under on amount of fleeces you own at 11.
Posted by: plh903 | December 05, 2007 at 12:30 AM
What about the astros. Could they indeed package a plan with Burke (someone with whom the A's are inquiring about) and luke scott as a starting base to go after harren. Seems like Special Ed should get on the phone to me. Astros could use this guy
Posted by: DevilDog | December 05, 2007 at 12:43 AM
amount of fleeces I own?
Posted by: GoBoSox420 | December 05, 2007 at 12:53 AM
Since the Angels have missed out on Cabrera, doesn't that give the A's some leverage in Haren/Blanton talks? They don't have to give up on competing just yet.
Posted by: mateodh | December 05, 2007 at 01:11 AM
I love the fact Yank fans are on every comment board. Do you think you should get every player rumored? Wow.. Anyway, back to Haren...
6 players for Haren is pathetic. Look at his 2nd half numbers after the Allstar break.. Not impressive. I sure hope Byrnes plays hardball with Beane. By the way, I hope it's Brooke Brown instead of Brett Anderson. I sure hope the Dbacks hold onto Anderson.
Posted by: AngryTick | December 05, 2007 at 03:03 AM
Byrnes and the Dbacks are loving those Pepperdine arms... Picked Enright in the 2nd round last year, and now have interest in Haren and maybe Lowry. LOVE IT.
Posted by: mattyp221 | December 05, 2007 at 06:10 AM
Ha...Hank is ruining the Yankees. No Haren for them. Goood link below.
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/05/haren-will-not-be-a-yankee/
Posted by: EM3 | December 05, 2007 at 07:32 AM
@angrytick
His 2nd half numbers are attributed more to the lack of talented players around him more than Haren pitching worse. No Kotsay, Chavez, Crosby, Swisher had to play in the OF more than at 1st. Running out J.J Furmaniak, and Marco Scutaro on the left side of your infield is bound to take a toll.
He still had only 1 start of less than 6 innings in the 2nd half, and only 3 all season. 5 starts with more than 3 ER. Haren is an elite pitcher.
Even though 6-for-1 sounds pretty crazy, Callaspo the Wife Beater and Bonifacio aren't blowin anyone's skirt up.
Posted by: jclay | December 05, 2007 at 10:03 AM
Braves get
haren
A's get
Lillibridge
Jones
Hernandez
Reyes
WOuld give braves rotation of Haren, Smoltz, hudson, glavine, james and give jurjjens another full year to develop in the minors
Posted by: thedeuce | December 05, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Jones would be brandon obviously not chipper
Posted by: thedeuce | December 05, 2007 at 11:36 AM
I like the idea of the Braves getting him, but i feel like it would be almost impossible without having Shafer or Heyward in the deal. None of the guys you suggested are expected to be All-Star potential. Maybe a deal like Heyward, Jurrjens, and Johnson?
Posted by: Ripwa | December 05, 2007 at 11:47 AM
Well the Braves do have a pretty good crew of OF prospects and they are not all going to be able to come up with the braves. I would start a package at Heyward and Jurrjens, and then go from there, think that would be a decent pull for the A's and they would obviously get more in the deal. i have been saying for awhile too that if the braves took Kotsay in the deal it may save them a prospect or two just a thought.
Posted by: thedeuce | December 05, 2007 at 12:17 PM
I don't think the A's will be dealing Haren unless they get more than an OK haul. Even including Kotsay I would still say the Braves would need to be offering Lillibridge, Shafer, Jurrjens, and Hernandez at least.
Beane can always sit on Haren for another year and trade him this time next year when there is no Santana and Haren is considered the prize of the offseason.
Posted by: jclay | December 05, 2007 at 12:30 PM
Kelly Johnson, Jair Jurrjens and Brandon Jones and maybe another mid-level pitching prospect would be nice.
Posted by: hopkinsj33 | December 05, 2007 at 12:41 PM
So the D'Backs want to get Haren with out giving up anyone good? I can't see how the A's can make this trade with out getting AT LEAST One of Stephan Drew, Chris Young or Justin Upton, and yet if they are all off limits, there's no one the D'backs have left to trade then, is there?
Posted by: Zonis | December 05, 2007 at 01:07 PM
I wouldn't exactly call Carlos Gonzalez "without giving up anyone good". If the A's are so high on Haren, why don't they keep him then? No wonder the Tigers walked away from the A's when they asked for Maybin & Miller.
Do you think St. Louis got a great deal when they dealt Mark Mulder for Haren, Calero, and Barton? The Cardinals got raked in that deal. I for one am glad Byrnes is taking players off the table. Beane vs Byrnes is going to be a good matchup of GM's. It will be interesting to see if a deal will get done.
Posted by: AngryTick | December 05, 2007 at 01:26 PM