Dan Haren Trade Analysis

Jeez, and that's better than what they could've gotten out of the Reds?

Krivdog must be playing hardball. I do think he wants Bedard more, but we lost some leverage.

Funny how Beane said he likes to make trades during bowl games and NFL playoffs, so no one pays attention. Talk about the time to do it, right after the Mitchell report drops. Great stuff.

Curious move in my mind...I agree that the Dodgers seem like the better trade partner. Had the Dbacks not already traded Carlos Quentin, I would have liked it better for the As if they got this same package with Quentin instead of Carter. Carter seems to be quite a ways off.

Blanton to the Mets/Dodgers/Cardinals seems like the next logical move.

If I am Andy MacPahil, I have to be salivating over this trade. Haren is gone, so the pool of top SPs available on the market has been reduced by one. And Haren went to someone who was not rumored to be in the hunt for Bedard.

The Dodgers have to do something to counteract this move and the Orioles know of the interest in Bedard.

Could the Dodgers relent and move Kershaw and Kemp and Hu (and hopefully others) for Bedard???

wuldnt beane have gotten more if he got miller and laffey from the tribe?

Dont forget that the NL Central aint lookin too bad this year either...
Cubs have a great offense now and a solid bullpen.
BrewCrew has young talent.
Reds are an up and coming team.
Astros have reloaded.
Pirates are a joke.
Cardinals have a drunk for a manager.

"How does this trade impact the negotiations between Boston and Minnesota regarding Johan Santana?"

Good question. If anything this helps the Red Sox in negotiations. The Twins are pushing for two five-star prospects but in this deal the A's are only getting one.

But it could also hurt the Sox as well. Despite saying that their out of the running for Santana, the Yankees are just one call away from dragging the price up. And with Haren, who they've been linked to having interest in, off the market, it could lead them back to Santana?

I think it definitely helps the Twins, because the D'backs were not in on Santana, whereas other teams had interest in both him and Haren (e.g., both NY teams).

It doesn't mean the Red Sox will definitely increase their offer, but it does mean other teams have fewer options. There is no guarantee Bedard will even be traded this year, and in any case the O's don't want to trade him to the Yanks or Red Sox.

Ideally for the Twins, if Bedard is traded, it would be to the Reds or another team that can't afford Santana. Then Santana is the only guy left.

that so many people seem to be down on the package the a's got in this deal, despite the fact that all six prospects have had consistently great numbers at the right ages (or below) for each level, makes this seem like a classic billy beane deal. i agree with redsfan26. i think we'll end up discovering that there's a lot more value here than we would have thought.

Look at this now, the past deals don't matter. And the facts are that he got four legit prospects and a couple of fringe guys. I think he did a very good thing with what he had.

Holy crap the D'backs are going to kill in the NL. They got an awesome 1,2 punch with Webb than Haren. It might hurt the D'backs for givving up 6 players but what are you going to do.

"Holy crap the D'backs are going to kill in the NL. They got an awesome 1,2 punch with Webb than Haren. It might hurt the D'backs for givving up 6 players but what are you going to do."

Luckily none of those 6 were expected to contribute in 08 and only one or two in 09. Outside of 2B, our position players are all locked in for the next 3+ years.

I think this trade definitely helps the Twins.

#1 - Dodgers - now they know for sure that they are behind the DBacks and there is no way they can catch up without some better pitching -

#2 - Yankees - I still think all along the Yank "mees" were trying to jerk around Bill Smith into accepting a lesser deal with the talk of moving on to Haren - now he is gone and they have no other option - there is no way Bedard is coming to NY unless the Yanks truly unload the system

3 - Red Sox - This hurts the Red Sox true "affection" for Santana because now the Yankees might re-enter the mix and drive the Sox into adding Lester and Ellsbury together in a deal - the Sox know that if the Yankees add Santana that it is virtually a dead heat again in the AL East

I'm sure all the Red Sox fans will spout off now about the big gap - but if the Yankees had any decent pitching last year the Red Sox don't win

Gotta say, as a Oakland fan i sorta thought they could get more. Jackson for one, but im sure Beane did the right thing.

Wouldn't the Yankees have been able to give more ?

Good move for the D'Backs and their fans. For some reason, I can't see Santana going to the Dodgers. I don't think they pull that trigger. I think he goes to the Yanks or Red Sox when it is all done. Bedard will go before the Santana derby gets settled I would guess.

Also, Konerko makes no sense for Arizona. I doubt that will happen.

My guess on the Dodgers is that they make sure they're the winners on the Kuroda sweepstakes.

"Dont forget that the NL Central aint lookin too bad this year either"

Please. The NL Central is still the worst division in baseball, stop drinking the blue kool aid. Improving?? No doubt, but nowhere near what the NL West or East are, not even close.

"Astros have reloaded."
No they havent. They still have no starting pitching, added an unproven leadoff hitter, a 2b who hasnt done a thing outside of Coors field and a steroid user who will probably be hit with a suspension. Ask an Astro fan how they feel about the job Wade has done.

"BrewCrew has young talent"
Yes they do..and have done very little to improve their ballclub this offseason. Gagne anyone??

"Reds are an up and coming team."
Young talent, no doubt. But again, a team with no starting pitching outside of Harang.
Cardinals and Pirates??? Steaming pile of crap...enuff said.

"I think this trade definitely helps the Twins."

I was thinking the exact opposite.

""Reds are an up and coming team."
Young talent, no doubt. But again, a team with no starting pitching outside of Harang."

Bronson Arroyo, Homer Bailey, but you know thanks for the insight.

Both teams win. The Snakes are uniquely poised where even though they gave up a lot of prospects, they were all blocked by even better, higher potential, YOUNG, cheap players (which is supposed to be the value of a prospect). Arizona just traded a surplus for an ace. And they didn't trade Jarrod Parker or Max Scherzer. Score 1 for AZ.

Oakland did well, too, because they acquired some very good prospects for the long haul.

Byrnes won in the Houston deal. People look to last year and say, "47 SAVES?! Valverde's a beast!" But he's far from it. They were the shakiest 47 saves I have ever seen. His ERA in even numbered years hovers around 5.5, in odd years around 2.75 or so. He is one of the most insistent closers in major league baseball (albeit with studly potential), and the D-backs don't have to haggle with him for $$ and arb now. They got back the Stros #2 pitching propsect to replenish the farm and a very effective and durable reliever in Chad Qualls.

Everybody wins.

"As a Dodger fan this trade makes me scratch my head. I know there were some quality prospects in this deal from AZ, but according to all the reports I read, the Dodgers were being asked for a combo of Billingsly, Kemp, Loney, Laroche, Kershaw. Same thing from the Twins. "

And on the D-backs that's equal to a package of somehting like a package of some of Owings, Young, Jackson, Reynolds, Scherzer, I'd say.

The quality of prospects that we gave away is so much less that a hypothetical LA offer that you say you heard. Either the report is inaccurate, or every other team in baseball just got screwed over. If the A's asked for THAT kind of deal, they'd cripple any organization. But the D-backs didn't cripple themselves.

Beane traded Haren when he had maximimum trade value and got some exciting prospects back. Haren has yet to show that he can throw two halves to a season. His overall numbers look great, but if he repeats the past after the All-Star game next season he will sink the D-Backs.

Yeah I agree that some of the names tossed around for Haren, Bedard Santana, etc may not be accurate when this is all Beane got for Haren. Not saying they aren't good prospects but this isn't the haul everyone was expecting. Maybe Bedard/Santana etc won't fetch as much as we think either. Im suprised Beane was even interested in some of those guys.

Wow...love the dbacks moves today. they could legitimately be real good for a looong time. the rotation and lineup look good..check out this piece on the 08 team:

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/15/the-2008-arizona-diamondbacks/

First off, let's not forget that Beane put Haren in the NL where he won't affect the A's.

Also, he puts a lot of pressure on the Dodgers to "keep up", and might help him get a better deal on Blanton than he would have otherwise.

Finally, so waht if Beane didn't get anyone ready for the bigs? The A's are probably already out of 2008 anyway. I'd rahter have a guy ready for the bigs in two years if I know I can't compete until then.

Haren's second half ERA was 4.15. He is sporting a career 4.11 ERA. The A's defense in 2007 was also very strong.

AL Rankings
2nd plus/minus
3rd zone rating
4th fielding percentage.

I think we're going to find that the A's made out very well in this deal.

Can someone please explain why the DBacks did not trade Quentin,Carlos Gonzalez, Eveland to Minnesota for Johan Santana? If they had thought ahead a little better they could have thrown in Scott Hairston to seal the deal. That would have gotten AZ a World Series for sure.