Padres Deep In Talks For Bay

I seriously doubt Otsuka is non-tender candidate. The Dallas Morning News just reported a day or two ago he was throwing pain free.

How about Morris and Nady for Barret and Headley, straight-up?

Here's my trade proposal:

Pirates send Matt Morris, Jason Bay, and Nate McLouth to San Diego.

Padres send Kevin Kouzmanoff, Tim Stauffer and minor leaguers: Matt Antonelli (22) in AA 2B Wake Forest product controls the zone well and has power and Kyle Blanks (21) in A+ ball 1B Giant of a ball player (6'6'', 281); needs to prove himself in the upper minors.

What do ya think?

I can't see the Pirates trading Jason Bay back to the Padres, but I can see this trade...

Chase Headley and Michael Barrett for Nate McLouth, Matt Morris, and Damarso Marte. Though, the Pirates might have to give one more player to get Headley. The Pads could use Marte as the lead set-up guy for Hoffman, and McLouth in CF. Morris would round out their rotation.

Jib1980 Marte will at best be our 7th inning guy remember we have heath bell. I think that Trade would benifit the Pirates more.. Trading out best prospect for average players at best seems stupid to me..... How bout barret for Nyger Morgan

Bay wont go to San Diego unless Headley is part of the package. Kouz doesn't match up potential-wise with Chase, so I highly doubt the Pirates would even listen to an offer from them without Headley.

How about this deal:

Barrett/Headley

for

Nady/Morris/McLouth

I can't imagine the Pirates dealing Bay unless Headley AND Antonelli were part of the deal and I don't see the Padres willing to deal their future 2nd baseman.

In Headley, the Pirates get their future 3rd baseman with loads of potential, while giving up parts that don't fit into their long term goals.

In return, the Padres get a solid OF in Nady, a suitable CF in McClouth, and a body for the 5th spot in the rotation for Morris.

Thoughts?

Bay and McLouth for Barrett, Headley, and mid-level pitching prospect.

Doesnt the Bucs already have a future 3b they like

Padres send; Chase Headley, Cla Meridth, Michael Barret, and one of Justin Germano, Tim Stauffer, or Clay Hensley.

Pirates Send; Jason Bay, Matt Morris, and one of Nate Mclouth, X Nady, or Chris Duffy.

I beat everyone to the punch and engaged in this exercise a few days ago in one of the other threads! Of course, many of my trades also included Snell going to the Padres...

My rules:
(1) The Padres always build great bullpens on the cheap, so I don't see them asking about Marte.
(2) The Padres just signed Iguchi to a 1-year deal specifically to leave 2nd base for Antonelli beginning in 2009, so I highly doubt they would trade him.
(3) If the Padres take on Morris' salary, they will want to dump some salary back on the Bucs, meaning Barrett.
(4) The Padres need a CF, so McLouth would have to be part of the deal.
(5) I doubt the Padres would acquire both Bay and Morris, for salary reasons.

Here are my proposals:
(1) McLouth and Bay for Headley and a pitching prospect (not above AA).
(2) McLouth, Morris, and Nady for Headley and Barrett.
(3) McLouth and Morris for Barrett and a pitchig prospect.

Michael Barrett, Clay Hensley & Justin Germano
for
Nate McLouth & Matt Morris

Does all this Headley -> PIT talks mean that the Bucs have given up on Neil Walker?

As a side comment, Morris is more valuable then folks give him credit for. He has thrown 190+ innings in 6 of the last 7 years. Looking at his 2006 and 2007 stats, he has basically devolved into Livan Hernandez. Morris has a little better K/9 and lower BB/9 then Livan, though Livan eats a few more innings. While Morris is overpaid for an innings-eating #4/5, he's not tremendously overpaid when you consider Livan is likely to get a multi-year deal.

His big problem is that people still remember him as an ace in 2001 or a #2 in 2002 and 2003 and he has fallen pretty far since then.

Actually, upon reconsideration, the Padres could probably afford both Morris and Bay if they shipped Barret to the Bucs. So:

Bay + McLouth + Morris --> Headley + Hensley + other prospects

The Pirates haven't given up on Neil Walker at all. But neither Walker or Headley are potential gold glovers at 3rd and either one has the arm to move to an OF corner.

I just can't see the Pirates moving Bay for basically just Headley. Reports are they are asking for multiple top line prospects for Cleveland for Bay. For Headley, I think the Padres could get Nady and McLouth - throw in Barrett and the Pirates throw in Morris.

And how knows? With some luck, the Padres can turn around and flip Morris to St Louis for Anthony Reyes.

And again, I ask this question: Can anyone in their right mind explain why the Pirates would be interested in Barrett. He's more expensive than Paulino, he doesn't hit as well, his defense is worse, AND he's got a bad personality rep. Plus they'd have to TRADE for the guy. In other words, Barrett has NOTHING for going for him.

@Devish

With any deal with the Padres involving Barrett, I would assume that Matt Morris would become part of the package.

So basically, it would be one salary dump (Barrett and his 4+ million dollar contract) for another (Morris and his 12 million dollar contract).

I can see a Padres trade of Clay Hensley and Tim Stauffer for Edmonds and Reyes. Hensley is the type of groundball pitcher that Duncan loves and like Reyes, Hensley had a miserable '07.

Taking on barrets 4 mil contract is much easier than morris 12 mil. plus we still need a backup catcher.

we wont get bay back since headly would be our LF of the future.

I could see us sending over barret and one of our good AA pitchers for morris and mclouth.

If the goal is purely a salary dump, why not pursue a player who you can use? Barrett doesn't help them at all; they already have Paulino and Doumit behind the plate.

By the way, Morris (even with the '09 buyout) only carries a $10.5M price tag.

bay and mcclouth for kouz and cla meredith

-pirates seem to be ok with paulino and doumit

-iguchi can slide over to 3b at some point this season for antonelli at 2b if no 3b signing this year (ensberg? lamb?)

-headly stays with Pads

-wasn't there talk of Kouz to OF as well (that way walker isn't necessarily blocked in Pit either)

Jack Wilson, Josh Sharpless and Nate McLouth for Khalil Greene and Justin Germano. Pirates get some salary relief and the truth is, Wilson and Greene are pretty similar players. Both had outlier years in '07 and both are solid defensively. Sharpless is the type of undervalued reliever the Padres always covet and Germano gives the Pirates a RH alternative to Morris if they can unload him.

Bay alone will require Headley plus 2 other prospects. Likely a MLB-ready pitcher and a mid level prospect. Pirates will want another RH so look at someone like Mat Latos. Huntington is on a mission to stock pile power arms. Also, look for someone along the lines of a Nick Hundley (OF) to be included. As for Barrett, I would imagine that would be a straight up trade for Morris, plus a little $$$ from the Pirates. Also, I don't see Antonelli being any part of this deal, although Huntington I'm sure is trying!

what about a xavier nady and ian snell for kevin kouzmanoff, michael barrett, and will inman. with the padres eating a portion or barrett's salary.

The Padres would have to give up more for Snell than for Bay. I guarantee you Snell is not even in these discussions, just like Antonelli.

Pirates fans crack me up, you're not getting 3 good prospects for Bay while pawning off Morris and his 1/10.5M contract.

Easy deal to recognize:

Bay, McClouth and Morris(4M or so to help off set contract differences)
for
Headley, Barrett and possibly another prospect outside of the Padres top 10. Hundley might work, but you're not getting Antonelli and Latos isn't even eligible to be dealt yet.

First of all, the Pads would be GIVING something if they were to take on Morris' contract, lets get that straight. So here's my proposal: Bay and Morris to the Pads for Kouzmanoff and Wade LeBlanc. Essentially that is a good young 3B, a LH pitching prospect and lots of cash for Bay. The Pads have room for the extra salary.

Pen76 is right.

The Pirates are going to ask a lot more than just Headley for Jason Bay. You know how all those horrible teams operate, they ask the world for their best player(s), even if he isn't worth it.

The Cleveland/Pirates proposal was BAY/Paulino for Lee/Shoppach/Gutierrez. The Pirates wanted more, asking for Laffey or Miller.

From the Pirates past demands, I'd assume it will be Bay/Paulino for Headley/Barret/Hensley/Minor Leaguer.

If the Pads and Bucs do this it's going to be a blockbuster. I wouldn't think McClouth is in the deal though. It's been rumored to be Morris, Bay and Nady. The Pads will have to give up value but they are taking on a huge contract in Morris. The Pads will offer Barrett, Headley, and PITCHING plural. Hensley is coming off an injury year so his value is questionable unless he can bounce back. He might do well in Pittsburgh though. Meredith would do well keeping the ball down.

I'd say Bay, Nady, Morris for Barrett, Meredith, Hensley and Headley. (But if I'm Pittsburgh I'd want more)

The only drawback I'd see in this sort of trade is if Pittsburgh spins Headley off to an NL West team for something they can use like a star outfielder to replace Bay.

Wow... Headley has far greater upside than does Bay.

Wow.

To be honest, I wasn't thinking things would get too serious for Bay. As a Padres fan, talk like that is usually a smokescreen for landing Nady or McLouth. Kind of like getting Iguchi instead of Fukodome. Well, if Bay really is who KT is going after, here's my guess:

Jason Bay & Nate McLouth
for
Chase Headley, Michael Barrett, Will Inman & Jason Lane

Also, I'd be highly surprised if Matt Morris was included in the deal with Bay as well. That's a lot of contract for Moores to take on. If so, including Cla Meredith in that deal would surely be enough, as that 5 for 3 would be a solid deal for both teams.

No way would the Pads give up Headley and Inman although their value is about right for something like this.

PIT: tom gorzelanny and nate mclouth

SD: kevin kouzmanoff, kevin cameron, will inman, josh geer.

Don't forget that Neal Huntington was formerly with the Indians, as was one Kevin Kouzmanoff. He was reputedly a big Kouz backer, so don't be surprised if Kouz is in the deal instead of Headley.

I don't believe that the Pirates will be looking to acquire a 3B with Neil Walker and Jose Bautista proving to capable of holding down the hot corner. I see the Pirates looking to bring in Khalil Greene

Oxfrat, what has Bautista done to prove that he is
"capable of holding down the hot corner?" He hit .254 last year with a .753 OBP. How does that prove the job is his? At 27, Bautista is probably done developing, what you see is what you get. As for Walker, the last time the Pirates past on a blue chip prospect because they already had one in the system turned out to be a big mistake. I forget for whom, but at one time the Phillies and Pirates were talking about a trade involving Ryan Howard but the Pirates moved on because they already had Brad Eldred in their system. That worked out pretty well, huh? The objective is to bring in good players, if that creates a logjam then it is a good problem to have.

If we trade away headly for bay ill be angry. headly has way more upside. I would rather "suffer" (im using the term lightly cause I don't think it will be bad) thru a year of harriston in LF than trade away the farm for bay. And by simply looking at McLouth stats, he is overrated. He strikes out alot, doesn't have too much spead, and not good for average or power. So why would he want that when we already have jason lane?

I hope if we trade for an OF from the pirates, its for Nady. He will come much cheaper and I won't mind the salary exchange of morris for barret. But I would rather keep barret and grab a josh towers/prior for the back end and once one of them gets hurt, we still have cassel/germano.

And ace2110, hundley is a top 10 prospect in our system.

What about the Pirates getting back Cedric Hunter? As mentioned, I think the Pirates like Neil Walker at 3B quite a bit. I could see them getting Clay Hensley and maybe another pitcher along with Hunter.

How about Jason Bay and Nyjer Morgan for Headley, Barrett and a prospect?

I'm not going to pretend that I did any extensive research on this, but I'll say this much; if I'm Huntington, the Padres wouldn't be allowed within 50 feet of Bay without a deal for Chris Young.

Throw in Gorzelanny and KT'll think about it...

lmao at chris young being in consideration, if Bay was coming of his year in 06, that would be a very logical trade talk about bay and chris young, but bay is not going to be going to the pads and young going to the pirates, bay's value drops even further in petco, that makes no sense for the padres at all

On the other hand, if I am the pirates, Bay is not included in the deal unless headley comes to Pittsburg. Bay is the Pirates best player, so they have the right to ask for a team's top prospect, and headley is not a top five prospect in baseball. I am not saying the Padres are wrong for not wanting to trade headley, I am just say the Pirates should not put Bay on the table until headley is made avaliable.

What do you think about this trade. Trade Jason Bay, Matt Morris, Ronny Paulino, and Jack Wilson to the Padres for Michael Barrett, Chase Headley, and Kalil Green? The Pirates get a Catcher, Shortstop, and prospect. The Padres get a Left Fielder, Shortstop, Pitcher, and Catcher. It helps the Pirates because it gets rid of some of their payroll and builds their farm system, and the Padres gets hardy veterans and a young catcher to win their divison.

Well, look at that trade from teh Padres perspective. They are upgrading in leftfield, but in order to do that they have to downgrade at catcher and shortstop and also have to give up their best prospect. I know they get replacements in each of those areas, but the idea of getting bay is to purely upgrade the current roster, not downgrade it by adding him. That trade really makes no sense for the Pads.

As a brewer fan, I'd like to see the crew get in on this trade possibly as a third party. We all know that the padres have had a stiffy for tony gwynn Jr, and it's been reported that the brewers have also considered Bay in the OF. The brewers have SP available as well in vargas, capuano, and maybe bush.
Bill Hall can be had as well and can play CF, SS, or 3B with the ability to hit 30 hrs.

slickrick, your deal would make far more sense if money wasn't included. Matt Morris and Jack Wilson are really overpaid, and Bay's salary is decent but he'll command a big extension in 2009. Meanwhile, of the guys they would be giving up, Barrett and Greene will cost probably around $10-11M combined, and Headley would make the major league minimum. Essentially the Pirates would need to throw in a decent $15-20M, which makes the deal far less sensible for them. For a team like San Diego, whos payroll was $58.1M last season, that deal makes little sense.

For those of you who seem to be absolutely delusional

Headley will almost certainly not be traded, the Padres are wildly high on him and would sooner move him to LF then trade him for something less then alot.

Kouzmanoff is DEFINITELY not being traded. Padres finally have a strong hitting CI after years of it being a black hole. No thanks

Antonelli is DEFINITELY not being traded, he's the future 2B and Iguchi is a one year thing.

The Padres don't need pitchers, relief especially but starting pitchers too. I can see Morris coming here but that's only to basically grab someone else of importance.

Simmer down, folks. This story, like so many others ESPN has reported this offseason, is false.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07346/841141-63.stm

good link CJAX.

once again, espn is spouting stuff from the behind. It was fun speculating though.

I hear what you're saying, CJAX.

That said, I really don't listen to what this "team source" people say either. Just the other day, an "Orioles team source" said that Tejada wasn't being traded to Houston.

Unless the comment comes for Huntington or Towers, it's all speculation anyway.

I never put any weight into the Bay talks anyway. The only way the Padres were getting him was to include Headley and that's not happening. I suspect they're discussing a Barrett for McLouth deal or a Barrett & prospect for Nady deal - something along those lines.

Barret, Merideth, Kouz, Hensley, and Hampson, for Nyger Morgan, and jason Bay....

Or those names above and include morris