Pirates Pulled Out Of Bay To Cleveland Deal

keep on dreaming thats never gonna happen. I see no reason for the Snell to be moved.

Not sure what your talkin about because the Jays right now are a better team then the yankee's.

However I agree thats a bad trade for Toronto. Bay should have lower value right now and there is no reason to assume he will get back to where he was. Even more so switching leagues to the better league. In my Opinion Rios should have more value then Bay. Also Brett Cecil is a Monster of a prospect and can't actually be traded until after june.

that yanks haven't even improved while the jays have.

OK, so the Jays are a more improved team.

The Yanks finished 11 games in front of the Jays. You're a fool if you think that difference can be made up with Eckstein and Scutaro.

Pass me whatever you're smoking.

Yankee fans are absorbed by the money their team misspends each year and equate it with having a good team. What have they done this off season - signed Arod (good move for the near future), resigned aging stars Pettitte, Rivera and Posada (none of which project to improve on their previous year's performance). This is a team that has spent $450,000,000 the last two years and have not gotten past the first round of the playoffs. There isn't a team in major league sports that if given the Yankee's budget would come up with that result.

Lets see here

Offensively Yankees are better than the Jays

The Yanks bullpen is better

The Yanks starting staff is better, and also has better younger talent in their rotation

Ok, i just stated the obvious, if i have to get specific ill be more than glad too, but if i have to, then you are an idiot for asking

The Knicks, however, are a good example of New York teams governed by a salary cap. With a salary cap the Yankees and Mets would share the same success as the Knicks, Nets, Jets, Giants, Devils and Rangers.

When is BJ Ryan expected to be back? Anyone know? Mid Summer?

In today's pitching market I realize its controversial to propose a trade that equates the value of a proven pitcher like Ian Snell, However I do not think I am too far off here in suggesting that the Pirates and Bluejays would make good trading partners.

The Pirates have clearly indicated they are interested in trading Bay for prospects because it's obvious they are not going to be a competitive club in 2008. A trade involving Bay for Rios is not going to work, but the Bluejays have indicated that they will trade Rios for someone who will solidify the rotation. If you don't think of this as a Rios for bay proposition think of Rios as the cornerstone of the deal for Snell.

It's been suggested that the Indians offered Gutierrez, Shoppach & Lee just for Bay & Paulino. My proposition would indicate a starting pitcher prospect (Litsch/Cecil) & a promising Catching prospect in Thigpen who the Bluejays would consider trading because they have an even more promising player at this position in Robinson Diaz. I would say the Bluejays could include Gustavo Chacin who has proven himself effective when healthy.

Something along the lines of Bay / Snell for Rios/ Litsch / Chacin / Thigpen & a mid level prospect could work for both clubs.

Breaking it down it would be Snell for Rios / Litsch & Thigpen then Jason Bay for Chacin & the mid-level prospect which may be less than the pirates would expect for Bay but it would equal the amount the Pirates would benefit from recieving a two time all-star/ a promising pitching prospect and an up and coming solid position player.

This offer is much better that what the Indians offered for Bay and few teams could afford to include two major league ready pitchers & an all star outfielder in a deal.

rofl @ bravesbeast

You talk as if you know anything, yet you're completely wrong.

The Jays pitching is FAR superior to the yankees, especially the bullpen..it's really no contest.

I do think the yanks will finish ahead of the jays but you're an idiot to simply give the yankees an advantage in every department.

Considering as well the Jays had a better Pen without their Closer and their setup man from the year before.

Not to mention The jays rotation Marcum had the highest era on the staff only 2 Yankee's have better. How does that = yankee's have a better staff hmmm

Joba is a starter, but with Ryan back healthy next season the Jays have the strongest Pen in the league or close to it. The Yanks wouldn't be the ones ahead of them either.