Santana/Reyes/Haren Rumor Quashed

And now people are saying Santana is only marginally better than Haren?

You guys are crazy.

Why didn't you state a sorce? This must be a joke.

This is nuts for a few reasons:

1) The Mets said they wouldn't trade Reyes, no matter what
2) The Twins had a better offer on the table for Santana
3) The A's get a guy who never walks, totally out of Beane's M.O.
4) The Twins royally get the shaft
5) The A's wanted more than that for Haren

Tim, if this deal goes through, quit your day job. Breaking the biggest trade of the off-season would make Rosenthal your bitch.

Well, now the're just unloading the whole farm system. gonna kill the future with that one

Wait... after re-reading, I see that it was a NY sportswriter. And who comes out ahead in this deal? Gee... Could it be hype?

This is rediculous. Haren and no name is NOT better than what the Sox are offering. I just think that the twinkies are playing and probably have already sent him to Boston and they are just trying to gain attention for it. but this is getting stupid.

GoBoSox420...

What do you think is a fair return for Santana in a straight up trade?

In Honor of 34..

The Twins don’t really need much in the outfield after the trade with the Rays. I think the twins are getting as much return as they can now so when they move in to their new stadium they will be ready to be a serious competitor

My personal feeling is that the Sox could trade Buchholz, Elsbury, and Lester and still do well. First they will make up for the additional payroll in Playoff and World Series money. With Santana, Beckett, Dice K, Schilling, and me pitching they would win probably the next 3 WS with out an issue. After all I do have a mean 80 mph fast ball and a minus minus curve too.

It seems like fans of all three teams hate this rumor, which is generally the surest sign that it might be fair for all sides...

I think this makes a ton of sense for the Twins, actually. Haren would still be on the squad, one of the top-2 starters, in 2010 when their new ballpark opens, and given their stellar reputation, I assume the A-ball guy they'd be getting will be a player by then, too.

With the money they'd save, they'd also be able to go after a bat or two to fill their remaining holes. Or they could pursue Coco Crisp in a follow-up deal.

The bottom line is that the Twins are still pretty close to playoff contention, right now, in the AL, and this deal would give them the flexibility to fill their remaining holes now, while remaining a contender in the future.

sounds like junk as a twinks fan we get none of our needs filled

This is the worst 3 way trade I've ever seen.

"pokemon swooping in and taking spiderman overseas"

nah, they'd have to pay a large posting fee just to 'talk' to Pokemon

Don't buy Rosenthal that collar and chew-toy just yet...lol

WFAN just reporting the same as above, with the additional "...and the Twins are entertaining offers that DO NOT INCLUDE Jose Reyes."

It's FAN, for whatever that's worth, but I think this one is losing steam rapidly.

True. If the Twins saw that the Mets were even willing to deal Reyes, wouldn't they come in and say hey lets leave the A's out of this and we'll take Reyes and Mulvey. This just seems like a stretch

If the Mets were giving up Gomez to Minnesota instead of Pellot, then maybe we'd be working with something.

The Twins need to find another run per game of offense. A swap of a starter for a starter leaves them right back where they were last year. Starting pitching is a strength not a weakness. They need to upgrade their position players and bench depth.

lmao Crosby?...i'd rather trade Reyes for Santana then sign Eckstein...

I'm a Twins fan. I take this deal in a heartbeat. We basically defer the "ace leaving via free agency" concept one year and get a shot to compete with a dominant rotation. This time next year the Twins would be in the same spot with Haren. They probably wouldn't get as impressive of offers for him as Santana, but at least it's not nearly as bad of a fire sale.

Hey I hear their is a new rumor out their tiight now involving the Mets. Anyone hear this?
"New York Mets acquired pitcher Scott Kazmir and outfielder Rocco Baldelli in exchange for pitchers, Mike Pelfrey and Joe Smith, recently acquired outfielder, Ryan Church, and two minor leaguers.
Sounds like a hoax!

Question ... why would the Twins be involved? If the A's want Reyes, and the Mets want a SP, why don't they trade Haren, Crosby and Johnson for Reyes, Mulvey and Pellot? Oh, and I don't think there's any way Beane does that deal considering his asking price for Haren straight up to this point.

I don't see this happening unless something dramatic changes. I really don't see why the Twins would even need to be involved.

i think this trade makes alot of sense. Santana is happy now, A's get a bat, and the Twins still have an ace.

some may say that twins get screwed with Haren, but i think you could get more for Haren than Santana if you spin him off right after the deal. teams will till be interested in Haren and he'll have 3 years left on his contract.

this trade works great for everyone but the Mets. sure they get Santana, but they would lose Reyes, and they would never ever do that. too bad, i want this to go down

The only way this goes down is if the Red Sox and Yankees have both pulled offers off the table.

Once you get away from the Red Sox and Yankees bidding against each other anything can happen, just like with A-Rod...

"Hey I hear their is a new rumor out their tiight now involving the Mets. Anyone hear this?
"New York Mets acquired pitcher Scott Kazmir and outfielder Rocco Baldelli in exchange for pitchers, Mike Pelfrey and Joe Smith, recently acquired outfielder, Ryan Church, and two minor leaguers."

Uhh what the hell. This deal is most definately not true. Unless those two "minor leaguers" happen to be 2 of Fernando Martinez, Carlos Gomez, or Deolis Guerra, then this offer is just too stupid to even consider.

"The yanks and Sox have offered way better deals to the twins for this."

There's another way to look at this though, if Haren continued to pitch this way, then when the Twins would be forced to deal Haren before he hits free agency, they could get a bounty close to even with that of Santana. I still think the deal doesn't really make sense, but thats one angle to consider..

AJ -- I could be wrong, but if I had to guess, it would have to be partially a PR move. If the Mets were to give up Reyes they would have to get back Santana in return, or the fans would start burning buildings to the ground.

Still think this is pretty out there, but I could explain the Mets side of it that way.

I dont think this rumor is legit. Not enough prospects involved for 3 all stars being traded.

Tim,
How mentally stable is this writer?

dude i would do anything to get any of the aces on the trading block.but really i wouldnt trade reyes okay. i was thinking the twins wanted an in fielder right thats why they wanted Reyes so mabey they should just substitute Ruben Gotay i mean hes pretty good he batted .295 and although he did not play every day he is just as young as Reyes...... by like a year. so it would be like this mike pelfrey, ruben gotay and aaron heilman and mabey a minor leaguer. thats the best i can do. but seriously i would not trade reyes!

This deal makes less sense for the A's the more I think about it, to be honest.

The A's lose Haren, and granted that Crosby and DJ don't really matter much to the A's, but they are still losing them as well.

And in return, they get a Pitching Prospect and a Short Stop who hit .280/.354/.421/.775 last year and has a career line of .284/.330/.426/.756.

I guess I got caught up in the hype of Reyes, cause when I look at his numbers now, they look like crap compared to his reputation. He doesn't walk, he doesn't hit for a lot of power... so why would the A's trade an Ace, under control for 3 years on the cheap, for Reyes? Mark Ellis had a higher OPS last year, and he plays in the Harder league!

I don't think the A's are going to deal Haren. They keep being lowballed by teams, ala Arizona who refuse to part with any of their 5 good prospects yet expect to acquire Haren.

To preface; I don't believe this will happen or really even the validity of this ever being talked about by the GM's involved. However, if you take out all the peripheral players and leave the 3 marquee players, it makes sense to some degree (providing that later on the mets make other moves, the twins trade closer, a's trade blanton and/or street). You really have to consider the contracts involved. Jose Reyes and Dan Haren have 2 of the best contracts in baseball: Reyes 3 for 18 and Haren 3 for 16 roughly. In those 3 years the Mets would be paying about 60 mil at the lower end of the spectrum. This evens things to a huge degree.
The Twins are in a much stronger position with a debatably(by others than me) equal starting ace who costs 40 odd less million for the next 3 years. If they want to turn around and trade haren for a slew of minor leaguers then they could if they wanted. The A's get a premiere position player and a valid blue chip pitching prospect (or close to blue). The mets get debatably the best pitcher in baseball but a huge contract (which they can afford) and have to trade a cornerstone player. On the other hand, with only giving mulvey away, the mets can develop the pitchers they retain and they still have heilman, gomez, fernando etc... I could see the twins want one more prospect but not an amazing one. Haren is a very solid pitcher. I wouldn't like to see Reyes leave the Mets, but their starting rotation leaves a little too much room for worry.
The only way this trade really would happen is if the peripheral players changed, i think.

I smell METS Fanatic on this one!

Tim's just trying to generate more AD REVENUE!!! ;)

Good thing it was wrong. That deal would fuckingg suck.

Quashed isn't a word. I think you mean Squashed.

This would also never happen. Billy Beane is too smart to give up Haren, Crosby and Johnson for Reyes and a prospect. Maybe Haren for Reyes.

trade would never ever happen.

Mets would never trade Reyes unless they got Haren and Santana. Dan Johnson has no value for the Mets as they are stuck with Delgado

Jose Reyes isn't going anywhere

In hindsight I was pretty naive to believe it, guess I just got caught up in the excitement.