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According to the Boston Globe, the Red Sox acquired reliever David Aardsma today from the White Sox for minor league pitchers Willy Mota and Miguel Socolovich.
Aardsma, 26, was a first-round pick of the Giants in '03. He started a bit in the minors in '03 but has mostly pitched as a reliever. If nothing else, Aardsma still throws hard. Maybe John Farrell can fix him up.
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Does Aardsma have minor league options? If not I dont know where he fits in on the Sox. I've never heard of the 2 prospects they gave up, I am sure they are crappy prospects.
Posted by: themfightnwords | January 28, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Dammit. Nice move by Theo.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | January 28, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Aardsma is out of options. Prospects arent anything special, although mota has a live arm with a fastball reaching mid 90's, but hes a converted OF, so hes completely raw.
Posted by: trober81 | January 28, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Aardsma does NOT have options left, which is why the White Sox DFA'd him in the first place. I'm sure the guys they got back aren't worth much, but they're guys who don't have to go on the 40, which is what they needed.
Posted by: Andrew Cabiness | January 28, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Totally fair trade for both clubs. Aardsma is a fireballer, but with major confidence and control problems (though when he's on, he is terrific). He needed a change of scenery. For the Sox, the begin to restock their farm system with raw guys; for now, it is a good place to begin for KW.
Posted by: gadamer | January 28, 2008 at 12:36 PM
For those of you who may possibly be unaware, Aardsma wasnt still on the Giants ~ this is a trade between the BoSox and ChiSox...
I'm a tad surprised it took two players to get ol David, although I guess they arent the best of players...
Posted by: darkstar1661 | January 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM
oops, seems my Type-Key problems led someone to beat me to a WhiteSox mention ~ nevermind :)
Posted by: darkstar1661 | January 28, 2008 at 12:39 PM
For those not following the White Sox, Aardsma was designated for assignment to keep the roster at 40 when the Sox signed Dotel and made the Alexei Ramirez signing official last week.
That meant the Sox had to trade him within 10 days or release him.
While Aardsma had a good start, a walk-off homer to the Tigers shattered his confidence and he wasn't much use to the White Sox afterwards.
To get two marginal minor-leaguers was the best Kenny could get for him. Best of luck with the Red Sox, David...
Posted by: Cold Golden Falstaff | January 28, 2008 at 12:42 PM
I remember that homer...to Marcus Thames I believe.
Yeah...he was a totally different pitcher after that. He went from being unhittable to just plain awful. Remember when he almost threw the ball away twice during an intentional walk against the Twins? He looked like he was about to cry on the mound.
He has the arm, but the guy is a headcase. It's too bad, really.
Posted by: palehose35 | January 28, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Palehose,
If I remember correctly (and I wish I didn't), the entire 2007 season disintergrated in the same manner that Aardsma's did: particular situations that shattered confidence. The BP fell apart in this never-ending string of crushing moments and defeats, until eventually it was nothing but a shell.
Posted by: gadamer | January 28, 2008 at 12:51 PM
A relief pitcher from the White Sox not named Jenks, there is little hope.
Posted by: fitz | January 28, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I dont understand what compelled Epstein to pull this move when it wasnt really needed, but in theo we trust of course, i guess
Posted by: 04Forever | January 28, 2008 at 12:59 PM
As mentioned above, Aardsma does have strong stuff, just confidence issues. The Red Sox have a terrific pitching coach in John Farrell, and some other pitchers around Aardsma's age (26), all of whom might help him solve his problems.
Basically, it's a low-risk trade for the Red Sox; the prospects they gave up are nothing special, and Aardsma only has one year of ML service so he's cheap. But there's the potential for it to be very rewarding: if they can fix Aardsma's problems, they'll have him under their exclusive control for 5 more cost-controlled years.
Posted by: metafrantic | January 28, 2008 at 01:15 PM
I don't know much about the prospects - Mota though looks slightly intriguing as a converted position-player. I'm interested in seeing what he can do in his second season as a pitcher.
Agreed that Boston got the better end of it, but Williams probably took the best offer he had. My guess is Mota throws hard and has a good amount of upside (and like others noted, doesn't require a 40-man roster spot).
The downside for the Red Sox is that Aardsma _does_ require that spot, and he has no options. So if he doesn't impress in the spring, they'll have to either waste a 25-man spot on him or lose him.
I am a little surprised he didn't go to team with a little more room in the pen. Tampa Bay would have seemed a likely destination.
Posted by: bobo | January 28, 2008 at 01:21 PM
Makes you wonder if the Red Sox think they will have some roster spots opening up ...
Posted by: walkoffblast | January 28, 2008 at 01:42 PM
bobo:
Yeah, you're right, why Boston? Maybe they saw an opportunity to catch lightning in a bottle with him. After all, these are the pitchers I can think of who will be on the opening day roster:
SPs
Beckett
Schilling
Matsuzaka
Wakefield
Lester
RPs
Tavarez
J. Lopez
Timlin
Papelbon
Okajima
Delcarmen
That would be 11 pitchers, and i guess that means they would go with 5 bench guys (excluding the DH) or add Aardsma instead of that extra bench guy. Isn't it true that most clubs go with 4 guys on the bench (excluding DH once again) and 12 pitchers?
Posted by: JD | January 28, 2008 at 01:47 PM
what do you mean by that walkoffblast? explain yourself man!
Posted by: 04Forever | January 28, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Aardsma did not give up a walk-off homer to the Tigers. He blew a save in Detroit on April 22nd (the homer was to Marcus Thames). And it doesn't look like that rattled him so badly it ruined his season. In the next six games, he threw 9.1 innings, give up 1 run (a solo homer), striking out 7. Aardsma had a really good year except for three putrid appearances (two back-to-back against the Cubs and one against the Blue Jays). He ended his season on a down note, with two bad appearances against the Royals and Baltimore, but otherwise he was effective (with too many walks but an impressive strikeout rate). I think the Red Sox made a smart move here.
Posted by: baileywalk | January 28, 2008 at 01:54 PM
I was just mostly joking about Santana. Obviously the roster spots do not match up as at most they would gain maybe one and that would likely need to be filled by a new 4th OF.
Posted by: walkoffblast | January 28, 2008 at 01:54 PM
As a side note, everyone I included (except Lester/Delcarmen?) must be on the roster, they don't have options (I believe Lopez signed a contract of some sort.
Posted by: JD | January 28, 2008 at 01:56 PM
“I am a little surprised he didn't go to team with a little more room in the pen. Tampa Bay would have seemed a likely destination.”
There is actually a strong probability that he was put on the waiver wire prior to being DFAed ~ putting him on the Waiver Wire gives you an indication of the interest available (and specifically what teams might want him) but takes 10 days before you can free up his roster spot off the 25/40man. You don’t generally DFA a guy before putting him on waviers though; you are then blindly looking for a trade partner with only 10 days to complete it. Guys generally get waived through revocable waivers (like those after trade-deadline), then pulled (when there are only a couple days left) and instead DFAed ~ from my understanding atleast…
Now, if Aardsma was put on waivers before being DFAed, it means he went all the way through to the team with the best record in the AL. TB had to have either passed on him on a wavier claim, or shown very little interest (ie, less interest than to offer better than these two questionable prospects). Its very likely that no one really wanted him, and if the RedSox did wave him at a later time to put him in the minors, he would probably pass through (well, if this theory is what took place)
Posted by: darkstar1661 | January 28, 2008 at 02:02 PM
Lopez avoided arbitration by signing a 1-year, $840,000 deal.
And maybe the Sox think that Aardsma can be better than Kolb or Miceli, who they also signed to incredibly cheap non-guaranteed deals.
(Oh and JD, you forgot Kyle Snyder)
The Red Sox are just adding depth for their bullpen options. Tavarez might still be traded as a one-year NL 5th starter (the Sox are shopping him), so that thins their depth. Papelbon, Okajima, Delcarmen, Timlin, J. Lopez and Snyder are the most likely to be on the ML roster, which leaves Kolb, Miceli and Aardsma to battle for the last spot. The Red Sox will probably also let Breslow, Hansen, Hansack and some more minor leaguers come to spring training to try and earn the spot.
Posted by: metafrantic | January 28, 2008 at 02:08 PM
JD, there is also Snyder on the bench, who was signed for 1 year on Friday. So as it stands there doesn't seem to be room for Aardsma. One possibility is that Tavarez will be traded to a team who will grant him his wish for a starting role.
By the way, I can only think of 4 bench players:
Mirabelli
Cora
Kielty (if Crisp leaves) or Crisp/Ellsbury
Moss or A.N.Other 1st base/corner-OF
Posted by: leberquesgue | January 28, 2008 at 02:13 PM
I think there's a good chance the Sox will carry 12 pitchers given the hectic start to their season. That would bode well more for someone like Snyder who will probably be asked to log some serious innings during the season's first two weeks.
It's always good to go into a season with plenty of options in the bullpen. You never know, with the volatility of these guys, if they're going to be effective or healthy when they have to break camp. Aardsma is an interesting case because he's out of options. So the motivation will have to be there and his willingness to work with John Farrell will have a lot to do with whether or not he makes the club.
I for one definitely see a Tavarez trade so long as the Sox are willing to eat most of his salary. If you're a team like St. Louis or Houston why wouldn't you take a shot?
Posted by: JakeOD21 | January 28, 2008 at 02:20 PM
JakeOF21, I just can't see the Sox running only 3 bench players. They've got to carry Mirabelli and Cora, and that only leaves them 1 spot for a solid bat off the bench. I think they have to go with 2 OF on the bench, one of whom can also play 1B or 3B.
Posted by: metafrantic | January 28, 2008 at 02:24 PM
Looks like the Sox started with just 4 bench players last year so as people have shown there is a spot for Aardsma if he shows promise in spring training. Carter is more likely to be on the Sox's bench than Moss, right?
Posted by: walkoffblast | January 28, 2008 at 02:29 PM
metafrantic,
12 pitchers would allow for 13 batters ~ ie, starting 9 and 4 bench guys...
Posted by: darkstar1661 | January 28, 2008 at 02:29 PM
Oh... right. For some reason I looked at "12" and thought that was one more than they carried last year. WTF?
Yeah, 7 in the bullpen. That's right. Most likely Papelbon, Okajima, Delcarmen, Timlin, J. Lopez, Snyder and 1 more.
Posted by: metafrantic | January 28, 2008 at 02:35 PM
There's a lot of fluidity with the Red Sox roster right now. Until the Santana situation gets sorted out, it's really all just speculation. After that I think the picture will become much more clear. Ellsbury, Crisp, Lester and Tavarez are all candidates to be dealt soon, and they are still looking for a lefty bat off the bench who can play 1st base. The story in the Globe about Nixon on Sunday was intriguing. He feels as healthy as ever and has been working at 1st base, so if Wilkerson signs with the M's, I don't see the downside in at least giving Nixon a shot.
It's been a while since the Red Sox have had really any battles for positions going into spring training, even in the bullpen. I don't expect either Kolb or Miceli to make the club, doesn't seem like either has much left. But stranger things have happened. I think unless Hansen blows everyone away in spring training that Aardsma can definitely be that 7th guy in the bullpen, so long as they trade Tavarez.
Posted by: JakeOD21 | January 28, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Any body know how good those 2 prospects are that the White Sox recieved? I hope they have some upside?
Posted by: PIERZYNSKI 4 PREZ | January 28, 2008 at 03:48 PM
JakeOD21, you're right that it's very fluid. For example, if the Sox don't end up sending Lester in a Santana package, then they have to decide what to do with their 6th starter; tehy may send Buchholz back to AAA, but they could also slot him in as the 5th starter and have Wakefield fill the 7th bullpen slot.
One problem is, the Red Sox need someone in the pen who can do long relief. If Tavarez is traded, they don't have that, unless they put Wakefield in the pen.
Posted by: metafrantic | January 28, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Willy Mota:
http://www.soxprospects.com/players/mota-willy.htm
Miguel Socolovich:
http://www.soxprospects.com/players/socolovich-miguel.htm
Socolovich had Tommy John surgery in 2005, and hasn't managed to make it past A-ball in 4 years in the minors. Mota was an OF and only pitched for the first time in 2007; he's got a 95 MPH fastball, though. Both are only 22, so they have time to develop.
Posted by: metafrantic | January 28, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Oops, my bad - Socolovich is still 21. He'll be 22 in July.
Posted by: metafrantic | January 28, 2008 at 03:57 PM
I think the red sox should go get santana. Give up Ellsbury,Lester,Lowrie,Masterson.
Santana
Beckett
Shilling
Matsuzaka
Buckohlz
That would be a pretty nasty rotation, and they have the money to sign Johan, I do not understand why they don't just go get it done?
Posted by: PIERZYNSKI 4 PREZ | January 28, 2008 at 04:03 PM
I believe Socolvich used to throw in the mid-nineties, probably before TJ Surgery...perhaps he will add a few ticks as he gets further from surgery. I have been going to SoxProspects.com for years and he was a guy I was really excited about based on his velocity and age (this was probably two years ago)and always looked for his box scores online. The profile on soxprospects.com is updated and only has him at 88-92 now...could see him addng a few ticks or maybe it could just have been a case of inflated radar guns initally as that seems to happen quite a bit too.
Posted by: Jared78 | January 28, 2008 at 04:11 PM
metafrantic, there seem to be some problems with your thinking:
"if the Sox don't end up sending Lester in a Santana package, then they have to decide what to do with their 6th starter"
Um, Santana is a starter himself. If they trade Lester for him, they still have 6. And there is no way Wakefield will be sent to the bullpen, for various well-documented reasons.
"the Red Sox need someone in the pen who can do long relief. If Tavarez is traded, they don't have that"
Snyder can do that. That's the second time you forgot him today.
Posted by: leberquesgue | January 28, 2008 at 05:25 PM
"Snyder can do that. That's the second time you forgot him today."
Uh, no. JD forgot. I'm the one who REMINDED him:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/01/david-aardsma-t.html#comment-98944786
(Oh, and Snyder's splits:
G, IP, ERA, WHIP, K/9
29 146.2 6.57 1.63 5.29 (As starter)
62 89.1 3.63 1.40 7.07 (As reliever)
He averages about 1 1/3 IP as a reliever. He sucks at long outings, and the Sox won't use him that way.)
And yes, if the Sox get Santana they'd have the same problem, fine. But exactly what "well-documented reasons" are you talking about that would keep Wakefield from the bullpen? He's got 141 career relief appearances; it's been a few years, but he could do it, especially if it was long relief and he got some spot starts as well. Can you link some articles about how Wakefield can't be used in relief?
Posted by: metafrantic | January 28, 2008 at 06:04 PM
Oh yeah, my bad, you're right on that one. You corrected him while I was composing my own correction, hence my confusion. I don't usually comment here because I generally feel cowed by the knowledge and quality of the other posters, but I was annoyed by some idiots today. Your silly Santana slip-up drew my ire, unfairly. Back to lurking for me...
You're right, it's possible, though I have read opinions that say it won't happen; reasons for Wakefield to be kept out of relief that I can remember include:
1. Mirabelli: Now that Wakefield has his personal catcher, it becomes inconvenient if Varitek's (ahem) power is lost each time Wake comes into relief.
2. Innings: Wake eats innings, career average 202 innings/season. Useful with Lester/Buchholz about. Harder to do in bullpen.
3. Health: Regular starts are probably better for his ailing back.
Posted by: leberquesgue | January 28, 2008 at 06:56 PM
1. That's true, although something people forget is that Varitek can catch the knuckleball; he caught Wakefield for about three years before the Red Sox acquired Mirabelli (1998-2001). I really wanted to see the Red Sox get a decent-hitting backup C, and have him catch on OTHER nights; let Varitek get the same amount of rest, but have him catch Wakefield.
2. That's the one real negative about using Wake in relief. But still, I think that 150 IP from Buchholz would be more valuable than 200 IP from Wakefield. Plus, Buchholz needs the ML experience; he's too good for AAA, and too much time there could stunt his development.
3. That's actually one of my big concerns about Wakefield. He's missed 70-80 innings over the last two years due to injury. He's going to turn 42 in August; if anyone was a prime candidate for injury, it's him. Fewer innings through carefully regulated use out of the bullpen might be better for him; I don't know, I haven't heard any doctors' takes on it.
Overall I thnk it makes more sense for the Red Sox to give the regular rotation spot to Buchholz so he can continue to develop; he can do it as the 5th starter, where there's less pressure, and he can spend the entire year learning from Farrell and all the veterans around him. Then by 2009 when Schilling (and Wakefield most likely) are gone, Buchholz would have a full season in the majors behind him, and a more experienced rotation of Beckett/ Matsuzaka/ Lester/ Buchholz would be spectacular... not to mention that Beckett would be the oldest member of that rotation at 28.
And I think it would be a horribly BAD idea to put Buchholz in the bullpen as I've seen some people suggest. He's an ace in the making - screwing with his development like that could ruin his potential.
Posted by: metafrantic | January 28, 2008 at 08:08 PM
Agreed on all points. I am a big fan of Wakefield's, but 2008 should be Mirabelli's last season (many more catchers available next year than there were this time). Wake isn't likely to have arm issues, so if his back would hold up he could pitch for a while longer, but that's a massive "if". If a bullpen role would enable that, I'd be delighted.
If there remains a logjam in the rotation (is that 6-man idea still floating around?), I don't think it would be bad to have Buchholz take it 'easy' in AAA until needed sometime in the summer. Definitely not bullpen though.
Posted by: leberquesgue | January 28, 2008 at 09:10 PM