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The Giants have the fifth overall pick in the June draft. It's a shame teams can't trade picks, because the San Francisco's needs don't really match up with the likely best available talent.
Jim Callis provided interesting speculation in issue 0808 of Baseball America's print magazine. Callis suggested that the Giants may lean toward pitching in June even though the best available talent will be at first base. This is because top prospect Angel Villalona is moving from third to first and the Giants may not want to create a future logjam.
Callis tossed out three possible pitchers for the Giants for the fifth pick: Tim Melville, Christian Friedrich, and Tanner Scheppers.
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sense when is picking pitchers a bad thing even more so one that likely won't be ready for a few/several years.
Posted by: Dev0 | April 01, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Scheppers would make the most sense since he's rising fast.
Posted by: ozziethesaint | April 01, 2008 at 10:36 AM
I don't get why teams worry about "logjams" and stuff like that. The MLB draft is a crap shoot - injuries, bad scouting reports, etc - can effect things. An organization should draft the best available talent.
If a need happens to fall 2-3 players +/- your actual pick - you hope for them/make adjustments. If not, you pick the best player and figure out the rest later.
Ask Toronto how passing on Tulowitzski because of "organizational need" has worked out.......
Posted by: gs | April 01, 2008 at 10:43 AM
In the first round, you always, always, always take the best available player. Logjam or not, you can always trade for a need. Besides, when has a team ever had too much great young pitching?
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | April 01, 2008 at 10:45 AM
I like the idea of some draft coverage here. Nice touch, Tim.
Posted by: thehoagster07 | April 01, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Thanks. I think it fills the gap nicely since rumors slow down for April and May. Plus I like learning about these young players. I paid attention in past years but definitely more this year.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | April 01, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I agree, Kudos on adding some draft coverage!
The consensus top 3 seem to be Beckham, Crow, and Alvarez. The D-Rays don't necessarily are stacked at all 3 positions (well, they are stacked at every position). Beckham makes sense if they are starting to worry about Brignac. Crow makes sense because you can never have too much pitching. Alvarez makes sense because they could move him to 1st (or DH while Pena is finishing his contract).
That said, maybe Alvarez's injury allows him to drop some. If so, the Giants absolutely need to take him. By most accounts, his defense is solid enough to hold up in the majors. But I if any of those 3 (or Matusz) fall to the Giants, they need to go with that player. After those 4, I think the decision becomes a little more difficult because the top 3, followed by Matusz, seem to be pretty clear right now.
Still time for some moving and shaking of course.
Posted by: mymrbig | April 01, 2008 at 11:45 AM
i'm not sure if melville is pitching today but i am going to the wentzville baseball game this afternoon. 4:30CT. I can write about him if he does in fact pitch. anyway, i think the giants would be smart to take melville with the 5 pick. that organization has done so well in developing pitching that you should stick with your strength, especially when the pitchers taken that high are just as good as the hitters. the time frame for the giants also fits a h.s. pitcher better since the giants most likely wont be that great for a 3 year period. drafting a college pitcher will win a few more games in the next 3 years, but by the time the rest of the team is good he will be arbitration eligible and closing in on FA, whereas 3 years from now you would just be seeing a h.s. player and the team would stay together for much longer. i would also say that scheppers is rising quite quickly in the draft, but not high enough to get to the top 8 picks. i see him going somewhere from 9-15. just my thoughts.
Posted by: integr96 | April 01, 2008 at 12:01 PM
FineHamAbounds is right on the money - take the best talent available - period. Worrying about having too many quality players at a certain position (with maybe the exception of catcher) is not a problem. Especially for a team with as little talent as the Giants.
Posted by: bjsguess | April 01, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I agree, why not stack up on arms because they are much more unpredictable in terms of injuries. Plus, pitching is always a need for 75% of the league, so the sentiment is correct that you can always trade for a need.
I still say the worst move was definately signing zito. They could have split that money up and gone out and signed 2 or 3 28 to 29 year old offensive contributors.
Posted by: bravesbeast | April 01, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Aren't 'stud' position prospects much more likely to be successful than 'stud' pitching prospects? Take the best player available, worry about the rest later.
How long does a team have to wait to trade new draftees? Even if you can't trade picks, there should be a way to trade that prospect in the future. :shrug:
Posted by: V | April 01, 2008 at 01:22 PM
I'm sure they're praying for Tim Beckham but thats not happening. I'm not quite sure I agree with not picking a first baseman because of Villalona, but its a valid point. I'm sure they're wishing they were in last years draft, where there were great hitters at non first base positions like Wieters, Moustakas, Vitters, etc.
Posted by: scribbletone | April 01, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Re: take the best player available, ordinarily I would agree.
However, in the context of the current Giants franchise, with its relative depth of pitching and dearth of hitting, they desparately need an impact position player in the system, the closer to the ML level the better.
The Giants are a franchsie that needs this kind of player to get seats filled - remember that this is essentially a privately funded ballpark that the owners have to pay a debt-service on.
Its all well and good saying you can trade later if you can't fill a position of need now, but in reality, I think that's happening less and less now, with teams not prepared to trade impact players from the farm.
Either way, there's a strong chance they'll be picking VERY near the top of the 09 draft.
Posted by: aGIANTfan | April 01, 2008 at 04:49 PM
They should definitely go for a position player. No matter what position. If Smoak or Beckham comes by they should jump. Smoak can play corner outfield if he has to, he is a gold glove caliber first basemen. Or they could go for one of the hitters in the outfield that the high school ranks offer. Either way, there is too much hitting talent for the Giants to take another pitcher considering how awful they are as an organization with hitters right now.
Posted by: gogopalehose | April 01, 2008 at 05:04 PM
well i was hoping to see melville pitch today but their game was cancelled due to the field being under water. I asked one of the players and they said they have had a lot of games cancelled thus far. Now St. Louis will start to get good weather sometime soon, it was still 60* today, but I wonder if they will make up these games? If they dont, and Melville isnt able to pitch as many games as other h.s. pitchers, such as gerrit cole for example, how will this affect where he is drafted? I dont think it will affect where he is drafted, but you never know.
Posted by: integr96 | April 01, 2008 at 06:29 PM
This is getting incredibly frustrating. The Giants have not developed an all-star caliber position player since the mid-80s when we had Will Clark, Matt Williams, and Robby Thompson. How was that accomplished? Will was the 2nd overall pick, Matty was the 3rd overall pick in the draft, and Robby was the second overall pick! Now all the team seems to draft are pitchers and slap-hitters.
So, let's see... the Giants don't draft hitters, they're not willing to trade pitching for hitting (except the trade that shall not be named), and free agents don't want to sign to play on what's now a horrible team in a pitcher's park!
Please go away, Sabean.
Posted by: jaywest05 | April 01, 2008 at 09:31 PM
"Furthermore, if Tim Beckham falls to #5, I already feel bad for the Giant's pockets as Scott Boras will absolutely handle them during negotiations due to the desperation for impact bats."
If Beckham somehow magically falls to number five and the Giants won't pick him because of his price then Sabean should be fired on the spot and Magowan should be ran out of town. He's a potentially elite offensive force at a premium defensive position and is capable of playing very good defense at short as well. The rest of the premium bats in this draft are somehow all projected first baseman (Pedro Alvarez, Eric Hosmer, Justin Smoak, Yonder Alonso) which is sadly the only position where the Giants already have an elite prospect.
If they have the oppurtunity to add Beckham and don't, then Giants fans might want to change their affiliation to the team across the bay, where at least the guy knows how to run a winning organization.
Posted by: scribbletone | April 01, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I don't think you avoid a 1B because you have a 17 yr old that hasn't played at A ball yet. Yes Villalona is a great prospect, but lots of stuff can happen in the next 4+ yrs (is that his ETA).
But I also don't think you avoid a pitcher because it's an org strength. And there are some very good pitchers in this draft.
If you're in the top 15, I think you have to take the best player available. Regardless of need. Worry about need later in the draft. Plus front of the rotation pitching prospects are like gold in the current trade market.
Posted by: kab21 | April 02, 2008 at 01:42 AM
Best available, it's not like early draft players always make it to the bigs. Get whatever because the team is junk and any position is fillable.
Thank you
Posted by: Giant Deric | April 06, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Just to let some of you know who seemto think Alverez is a 1B he's not. He's a 3B, and if there's any chance (which if you look at my mock draft there is) Sabean has to forget about all possible roadblocks to keep him from signing him, because if the giants want to re-build, a team with Villalona and Alvarez in the lineup looks pretty Scary.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | April 17, 2008 at 06:20 PM