C.C. Sabathia Rumors

I still think Shapiro needs to settle for a package with Hughes or Cano. The Tribe are still poised to compete the next few years, so the MLB-ready guys will need to be ponied up.

"I still think Shapiro needs to settle for a package with Hughes or Cano. The Tribe are still poised to compete the next few years, so the MLB-ready guys will need to be ponied up."

No way are either of those two included.

They offered him 18 mil a season to stay. If he wont accept that for the team that he says he loves to play for, than he is an idiot with a plane ticket to New York. Better them than the cubs.

"They offered him 18 mil a season to stay. If he wont accept that for the team that he says he loves to play for, than he is an idiot with a plane ticket to New York. Better them than the cubs."

...its not the cash, its the length of contract. Cleveland doesnt like to go over 4-5 years and CC is possibly wanting as much as 7. Still possibility they meet somewhere though, 6 + obtainable option/buyout type deal...

I thought Dayn Perry was a Cardinals fan? Jesus Christ, what a dumb trade. 12 years of Rasmus and Anderson for 4 mos of Sabathia. Sweet.

They would make room for Rasmus and put him in a corner outfield spot. Like it or not Dark, the Indians would surely take that deal, and would be absolute fools not too.

"They would make room for Rasmus and put him in a corner outfield spot. Like it or not Dark, the Indians would surely take that deal, and would be absolute fools not too."

Yeah, I know that Cleveland would probably put Rasmus on a corner, but its not taking full advantage of what he brings and, from my understanding, his bat might not play as well there. Then, Anderson just doesnt make that much sense while the teams actual desires are not even touched one in ant way. Just because top names are included, it still doesnt mean it just instantly makes sense ~ and such a deal just doesnt make much sense for the Tribe.

While I would love to give get a left-handed power arm like Sabathia, I dont see the Cards giving up their two best prospects. Right now I would feel better about giving up Rasmus and Anderson since Ankiel appears to be the real deal in CF and Anderson is blocked by Molina anyway. The Cards would have to get Sabathia signed to an extension before giving up the players. Also, how much money would it take to retain Sabathia. Probably more than the Cardinals want to pay and there's no way you give up those two players for a rental player. I think the Cards may shop Rasmus and/or Anderson, but I highly doubt this deal happens.

"Even without the perfect fit I bet the Indians would accept such an offer. Shapiro could spin off Rasmus for an infielder if he really wanted to."

...Oh yeah, I think it would be a very tempting offer ~ but it doesnt address the teams needs/wants at all (Stud pitcher/true slugger, ideally for infield) and would mean that other deals would need to still take place. Easier to listen to an offer like that, then get another team to match it with prospects which you can actually use... Such a deal would easily fuel a crazy buyers crazy and be a great fallback to have ~ not so sure it’s the one which would get it done though…

I live just outside Cleveland, in Akron. I go to about 15 AA games each year and 10 MLB games in Cleveland. If there is one thing you learn from being in this area, it is this. You never know what Mark Shapiro will do. My best bet is this is what will happen if C.C. is traded. The Indians will first try and trade him to an NL team. The last possible deal will be to trade him to New York or Boston. The Indians will not trade him to an AL team that will re-sign him. That would completely stupid on the Indians part since you would have to go through C.C. to win future playoff series'.
Anyway, the Indians will target the best possible package of players, whether they are in AAA or Hi A. The Indians have a great development system and they are more than willing to push their players up the system quickly. The Indians are still in win now mode over the next 2 years but they can still stay in win now mode by taking younger players. They can go out and get free agents. Make a play at Ben Sheets and/or A.J. Burnett and the Pitching is back into it. And if the Indians realize that Fransisco and Choo are no better than 4th outfielders, then they should make a play at Dunn.
The Indians are not that great at drafting players. They are however, great at finding talent in other organizations and in Latin America. The Front Office realizes this and knows they are better off trading C.C. then getting draft picks in return. Look at who on this team is a daft product compared to international signings, and acquired in trade. It is amazing!!

"The Indians are not that great at drafting players."

Actually, they are...not so much in regards to position players but pitchers. Sabathia, Sowers, Laffey, Lewis on the big club and then top prospects such as Miller (possible bust) Lofgren, Huff, S. Lewis. Plus they drafted Guthrie but botched his development. But in regards to CC, I say keep him for the season. If you move a pitcher to acquire some help then trade Byrd. Keep CC and make a run and try to sign him in the off season.

When I mean drafting players; and I am not counting players that aren't on the big league team, I mean players that have had a true tangible value compared to latin american signings and trade acquisitions. Example: their is a big difference in quality between the group of carmona, betancourt, martinez, peralta, sizemore, lee (these players were latin america signings and trade acquisitions). compared to drafting where you have sabathia, garko, fransisco, sowers, laffey.

I read somewhere the Yankees were considering bringing up McCutcheon to take Wang's spot ... I hope that's for showcasing.
Personally, I would give Giese a chance as long as he is at least one start separated from Mike Mussina; they seem to have a similar makeup.
Give Giese a chance and bring up that David Robertson to fill in the bullpen spot. I believe he's earned it.
Or, let's see if Alan Horne is truly "next."

Two things...if you look at it, the make-up of the Tribe is similar to the early 90's in regard to how the talent was acquired. I think the only difference is that Shapiro is more apt to hang on to player the team developed instead of trading them for veteran help (though he has and these coming months will also test it). Second, I highly doubt the Cards will even offer that trade, I am sure the Mark Mulder trade still lingers in their minds. If Rasmus and Anderson have any potential to come close to Haren and Barton then there is no way they do that.

If the Sox enter the bidding war to jam up the price for the Yanks it won't work. Everyone will see through that ploy.

The Red Sox don't need Sabbathia (of course any team could use a stud pitcher). They have other, more pressing areas to address.

"I still think Shapiro needs to settle for a package with Hughes or Cano. The Tribe are still poised to compete the next few years, so the MLB-ready guys will need to be ponied up."

@first it was hughes and cano, now it is hughes or cano... keep going, jaja