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Jays Cool On Bedard?
There's a long-running rumor that Canada native Erik Bedard will sign with the Blue Jays when he reaches free agency after the '09 season.
However, Geoff Baker writes today:
But sources in Toronto indicated on Monday that the team has cooled on Bedard and may no longer be interested in acquiring him — now or later. The Jays have had some public-relations issues the past few seasons with A.J. Burnett, a pitcher expected to use an escape clause to opt out of his five-year deal with Toronto after this season.
Baker is suggesting the Jays may be reluctant to do another long-term deal with a media-unfriendly pitcher. Burnett and Bedard both tantalize, underachieving despite ace repertoires. Bedard's next contract will be a risky one, perhaps five years at top dollar like Burnett's.
Back in February, John Hickey wrote that he expected the Mariners to sign Bedard to an extension. Bedard's mediocre results through 11 starts may give them pause.
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Will people please stop writing this crap about Bedard being traded and not having value... His ERA is currently 4.26 which is tied for 55th overall in the league. Also keep in mind that his ERA took a couple hits with the circus of errors earlier on for the Mariners.
Final point Bedard has a career 4.12 April ERA and a career 3.87 May ERA, so he's about two to three ERs above his norm! Brilliant analysis about him under performing and at the end of this month you'll be talking about how he's the most desired pitcher that can be gained through trade. June has statistically been his best month with a career 2.92 ERA for the month.
Please look into stats before you start posting blanket statements, so what if he doesn't do many interviews, just means you guys have to work harder as journos, doesn't take away from what I care about, which is on field performance! Oh and by the way, Bedard had a 4.10 ERA on May 25th last year and with his next start he dropped his ERA below 4.00 and it never went above for the rest of the season.
Again, do the research, find out if there's a pattern before you start screaming inconsistencies and I bet the Jays are cooled on Bedard because they have a great rotation right now and Burnett leaving wouldn't mean anything as they have 6-7 starters there who can pitch in the rotation and except for Halladay, they would be cheaper!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | June 10, 2008 at 09:30 AM
My guess is that Bedard's performance lately is a result of playing for a terrible team with no direction. He's got no enthusiasm. He'll probably improve a little, but I wouldn't look for a cereer year like he had last year.
I also don't think "media relations" are going to play a factor in whoever signs Bedard. Strikeouts are going to matter.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | June 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Guru, calm down, this isn't a Bedard trade rumor thread, it's a 2009 offseason thread.
Ham, didn't you learn a lesson from Bull Durham? Strikeouts are fascist. Sorry, couldn't help it.
The truth is Bedard reminds me a lot of Beckett when he was a Marlin. Peak hasn't been reached, more than just a flash off brilliance, and more than a couple of question marks. Honestly, as soon as Bedard hits the 200 inning mark more people will get off his case. But ultimately Ham is right. He's not getting wins because the Mariners can't give him run support (allows 1 run in 6 innings against the Red Sox and gets a no decision alst time out) and really he's playing a season that's already been deem futile.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | June 10, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Guru, what kind of straw man are you arguing against? Yours is the first comment but I didn't say any of the things you're ranting against.
Also why would Bedard have a career year for the crappy Orioles but tank it for the crappy Mariners?
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | June 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM
"My guess is that Bedard's performance lately is a result of playing for a terrible team with no direction. He's got no enthusiasm. He'll probably improve a little, but I wouldn't look for a cereer year like he had last year."
Then how do you explain the fine year he had in '07? It's not like the Orioles were any good then. If Bedard has to play for a good team to be at his best then I'm not sure why ANY team would want him. The fact is that he's a professional and I doubt that the quality of team he's on affects how much effort he gives. It can affect his win total and other peripheral stats some but it should not affect him, his professionalism, enthusiasm or effort.
Posted by: pageian | June 10, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Bedard had that hip issue to deal with. Wonder if there could be lingering effects?
Posted by: toshiro | June 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM
If Bedard will be a free agent after '09, it probably doesn't matter if the current Blue Jays front office has cooled on him.
Ricciardi and friends will probably be gone after this year, they seem to be on their last chance.
Posted by: OaklandAussie | June 10, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Everyone needs to layoff BaseballGuru. He makes some very valid points [as I sift through old posts of his projecting that Beltre is a 1st ballot HOF and that Richie Sexson will post a 400OBP this year].
Posted by: bjsguess | June 10, 2008 at 11:52 AM
“ALL OF THESE POINTS I WAS CRAZY, ALL OF THESE POINTS I WAS STUPID, YET I'M ALWAYS RIGHT... KEEP NOTES FOR NOW ON, SEE HOW MANY TIMES I PUT A PREDICTION OUT THERE AND IT HAPPENS SMART *SS, YOU GOT THE BALLS TO DO THAT MUCH OR JUST KEEP TALKING SH*T WHILE I KEEP PULLING BOLD PREDICTIONS OUT OF MY *SS THAT KEEP COMING TRUE!! I ALSO PREDICTED THE MARINERS RE-SIGNING KENJI WHILE EVERYONE SAID HE WAS GONE... I BET THE MARINERS STILL ROLL OFF 95-100 WINS THIS SEASON, EVEN WITH THEM 8 GAMES UNDER .500 RIGHT NOW! SO TALK CRAP, BUT KISS MY *SS THIS FALL WHEN THEY'RE IN THE PLAYOFFS! I'LL BET DARKSTAR THEY STILL WIN 95 GAMES AND IF THEY DO, HE'S GOTTA STOP COMING TO THIS SITE, IF THEY DON'T, I'LL STOP COMING HERE!!! NEED YOUR MOMMY TO LET YOU HAVE YOUR BALLS BACK SO YOU CAN MAN UP, OR CAN YOU IOU THE TESTOSTERONE AS USUAL?!?!”
- Baseball “guru”
…My quick count has it at 27 more loses and it’s a mathematical elimination from those 95 wins. Getting close “guru”, getting close…
@ bjsguess ~ classic!
Posted by: darkstar1661 | June 10, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Anyways, as far as the on topic stuff ~ I would have to ask why in the world would any other team want Bedard? Well, at this point in time atleast… I mean, check this out:
7.40 ERA, 1.60 WHIP, .263/.368/.475 line-A, .284 BAbip…
…Yep, that’s his line when he is away from pitcher friendly Seattle. This is the same guy that dominated last year, posting a 2.94 ERA and 1.05 WHIP outside of that bad fist start of the season. This is a guy who posted a 31 BB to 103 K rate to this point in 07 (18G), but he’s sitting at 29 BB / 54 K (only 11G) right now… Its scary to think how bad his actual line would be if he didn’t have that .219 BAbip at already friendly Safeco…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | June 10, 2008 at 12:05 PM
I think any team would love to have Bedard. Obviously the way he's pitched he should have won more games considering his lack of run support.
"Will people please stop writing this crap about Bedard being traded and not having value... His ERA is currently 4.26 which is tied for 55th overall in the league. Also keep in mind that his ERA took a couple hits with the circus of errors earlier on for the Mariners."
This is hilarious. You are arguing that someone has trade value and you back it up with the fact that he's 55th in the league with a ERA north of 4??? Look, the guy has value because his name is Bedard and we all know he is a great pitcher. With that said the Mariners sent the package of talent to Baltimore to acquire an ace, and he's been not lived up to that so far. Also the "circus of errors" contribute to a stat called unearned runs, not part of his ERA which you say is over 4.
Posted by: snakebite | June 10, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Bedard = Ted Lilly Jr. ... a good but not great lefty who has the ability to miss bats but will get hit hard from time to time. Bedard's probably a bit better than Lilly, but I wouldn't be surprised if his 2007 season ends up looking like an aberration once his career's finished.
Posted by: MikeMeyer | June 10, 2008 at 01:58 PM
"I think any team would love to have Bedard. Obviously the way he's pitched he should have won more games considering his lack of run support."
I meant who would want him relative to his cost. I know teams would love to have him, but I doubt anyone would be willing to pay much for an "Ace" like that based on what he has done so far… He has walked 3 or more in 7 or his 11 starts. He has struck out more than 5 in only 3 starts. He has lasted 7 innings only 4 times. He’s had a couple tough loses, but… I figured he turned a corner after last year, looks more like he might have fallen off the road so far though...
Posted by: darkstar1661 | June 10, 2008 at 02:23 PM
"Bedard's next contract will be a risky one, perhaps five years at top dollar like Burnett's."
"Back in February, John Hickey wrote that he expected the Mariners to sign Bedard to an extension. Bedard's mediocre results through 11 starts may give them pause."
Those are opinions not quotes unless you unintentially took the italics off when it was posted... Meaning that they are the writer's opinions, who wrote this thread!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | June 10, 2008 at 03:53 PM
darkstar, current contract, $7MM, how many guys on the team you follow make more than that?! Probably what, 7 or 8 different guys make that much?! Yeah, he's breaking the bank!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | June 10, 2008 at 03:57 PM
If Bedard is a bit better then Lilly then look for the Jays to take a run at him,remember that they took a run at Lilly the same time they looked at Meche.
Posted by: jaysfan | June 10, 2008 at 03:57 PM
snakebite, did you miss the part where I covered that the two months that just ended are his worst BY FAR with the exception of August, which was the month he's been injured twice, so that's probably a misleading month, the other two are more explainable... ALSO, DID YOU SEE THE PART WHERE HIS ERA LAST YEAR WAS 4.10 ON MAY 25TH AND HIS ERA FINISHED AT 3.16!! SO IF HE'S AT 4.26 RIGHT NOW, HE'S PROBABLY GOOD FOR A 3.40 ERA!! THAT MAKES HIM WHAT A TOP 20 ERA IN THE LEAGUE?!?!
FINAL NOTE, BEING THE TOP 55 IN THE LEAGUE, NOT THE AMERICAN, BUT THE MAJOR LEAGUES, MAKES HIM VERY VALUEABLE!! HOW MANY GUYS LIKE CLIFF LEE ARE GOING TO HAVE THREE HORRIBLE STARTS AND BE BACK TO AROUND 4.00 WITH THE ERA?! SORRY, BUT AN AVERAGE LEFTY CAN ONLY MISS BATS SO LONG, CLIFF LEE'S BEST PITCH IS A CHANGEUP AND A 91 MPH FASTBALL. GUYS LIKE HIM WON'T LAST FOR LONG AHEAD OF BEDARD ON THE ERA BOARD!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | June 10, 2008 at 04:02 PM
"Then how do you explain the fine year he had in '07? It's not like the Orioles were any good then. If Bedard has to play for a good team to be at his best then I'm not sure why ANY team would want him."
My bad... allow me to rephrase my statement:
He went from a bad team to a worse one, which doesn't help any. And you're right about the injury thing--that will play as big a role as anything else when it comes to signing him.
Guru: you seem to have a size issue. Either your posts are ridiculously huge, or you post in all caps so the letters are bigger.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | June 10, 2008 at 04:26 PM
As I said previously, with the talent they sent to Balt. the Mariners were trying to acquire an ace not a guy who is 55th in majors and an era over 4. You should call them and ease their pain by letting them know that he will better in the 2nd half because he did it last year.
Personally, If he's healthy I think he will get better. You just can't go around saying that just because so and so did something last year they'll do it this year.
Posted by: snakebite | June 10, 2008 at 04:52 PM
MY CAPS LOCK GETS STUCK TOO!
Just kidding, no it doesn't.
BUT SOMETIMES IT DOES! ESP WHEN I'M RANTING ABOUT MY FAVORITE TEAM!
Um...don't listen to that guy.
HOW DARE YOU, I'll...back...DESTROY...into...YOU...your box.
Ha, see. No problems.
MUHEEHAHAHA.
Posted by: toshiro | June 10, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Comparing Bedard to Lilly isn't fair, at all. Bedard has shown flashes of brilliance. He certainly has potential to be an ace. I think he compares more favorably to AJ Burnett.
Anyway, if the M's trade him now I still bet that he gets top dollar. Certainly not what Seattle paid, but a top tier prospect + others seems right.
I don't see the value in keeping him though. If you aren't going to compete (which they won't) you need to retool and drop your big salary players (which he will be in '10). Get younger, cheaper and go through a learning curve with the kids. Once you are at the point of being competitive you fill holes in FA and spend some dollars.
Posted by: bjsguess | June 10, 2008 at 04:57 PM
"guru" do you see? You're stupid a$$ coments are now pissing off Tim too. Hey Tim can't you kick him off the website?
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | June 10, 2008 at 05:54 PM
guru, why don't you sit this one out and take a knee buddy.
Posted by: onephine | June 10, 2008 at 06:01 PM
I literally get a smile on my face when I see Baseball Guru is making a post. I've never seen someone get so heated and crazy over baseball rumors.
JUST BECAUSE I TYPE IN ALL CAPS DOESNT MEAN IM RIGHT!?!?!?!?!
Posted by: John Difford | June 10, 2008 at 07:13 PM
“darkstar, current contract, $7MM, how many guys on the team you follow make more than that?! Probably what, 7 or 8 different guys make that much?! Yeah, he's breaking the bank!”
The answer to said question is 4, with the 5th highest making 4.25. Bedard is a 7M settlement instead of going to arbitration ~ next year its probably 10-11M; maybe more. His first FA year should bring a contract of 13-15M I imagine, but this depends on how well he pitches I guess… Not sure what all that has to do with anything, but it seems you feel it somehow makes a point though…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | June 10, 2008 at 07:25 PM
“I don't see the value in keeping him though. If you aren't going to compete (which they won't) you need to retool and drop your big salary players (which he will be in '10). Get younger, cheaper and go through a learning curve with the kids. Once you are at the point of being competitive you fill holes in FA and spend some dollars”
…Where I agree with that 100%, sadly the situation pretty much makes it one in which they absolutely have to keep him. Like I mentioned yesterday, trading him would be like giant red flags hanging all over the state with “we have no clue what we’re doing” printed in bold letters. You cant trade 50% of your system for a guy because you think you can compete, have it blow up in your face, then turn around and trade him for 50 cents on the dollar a short period of time later. Better to trade Hernandez than Bedard, atleast you can attempt to spin some bull to the fans instead of blatantly showing them that you have your head up your rear…
And truth be told, Bedard should pitch better the rest of the year, but its not a set-in-stone type thing either. His control and command are slipping this year, and it’s a consistent showing ~ not just a couple games of problems thing. His BAbip at home is most likely going to rise, his ERA of course being brought up with it. His BAbip on the road is normal, making that WHIP even more the scarier… We are talking about a guy who has posted 1.35+ WHIP in all but 1 season of his career, it might not be too much of a stretch to expect a 4.25-4.5 ERA and 1.35 WHIP when all is said and done…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | June 10, 2008 at 07:27 PM
Hey I just have to ask, "guru" didn't you sat that you were going to ignore me and darkstar? How come you still respond to our posts then?
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | June 10, 2008 at 08:44 PM
Snakebite:
"...Also the "circus of errors" contribute to a stat called UNEARNED runs, not part of his ERA..."
How does a self-described "baseball guru" not know this?
Posted by: rangerchick | June 10, 2008 at 09:48 PM
“How does a self-described "baseball guru" not know this? “
Ahh, the problems one faces when they decide upon an ideal outcome, then attempt to manufacture particulars in support…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | June 11, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Hey Rangers' b*tch, I mean loserchick, LOOK, unearned runs are attributed from the point at which the error continues the inning. So technically if a guy hits a ball to SS and Betancourt boots it, but there are not outs, but later in the inning with two out the other team scores 3 or 4 runs, guess what, those runs are all earned after the first guy that reached on the error.
It only stacks everything as unearned when the error occurs on what would have been a 3rd out. Good call on challenging my baseball knowledge considering I have been scoring games for 20 years and then only making yourself look stupid for simplifying such a concept as an error to, "it equals unearned run"... BRILLIANT!!
Also errors can be registered as hits by the opposing teams scorer at away games since they get final decision, which is why every team goes to NY and has an amazing fielding percentage at all of their positions and Yankees hit like .320 at home (exagerating for effect) or whatever it is, their scorer always gives a hit it seems unless it's one of their players in which case they give an error to keep the ERA down for their team's pitchers. Either way, don't you have some brownies to cook, peanut butter sandwiches to make, and a PDA meeting at 7:00pm?! As always your overall intelligence and knowledge as it pertains to baseball illuminates the concept as to why boys don't like to let girls get involved in talks about their sports. Maybe if "Ken wants to drive by Barbie's tonight for a hot date," we can ask your expert opinion on the course of events, but I think you should let the big boys play here and go back to needling a sweater!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | June 11, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Wow! Not only are you a DumbA$$ and an A$$hole, but you're also sexist! Man I can't wait till the end of the season when the Mariners finish with a bottom 5 record and "guru" leaves. Man I don't think you realize how offensive that SH*T is.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | June 11, 2008 at 06:42 PM
Funny and that's the same thing Ari Gold would say on the show and you love his character, you are what we call a hypocrite!! Anyways, she was talking sh*t, so she can take a little too... Sounds to me that she's still more man than you are!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | June 11, 2008 at 06:53 PM
You don't realize people can get fired for that kind of SH*T. Man you know I know we all like to give you a hard time because you're completely biased about you're M's, and how Darkstar and I think you're probably a little kid. With this coment you really must be a little kid. Dude you need an attitude check up like NOW! And I do like Ari Gold but if watch the show you'd see he actually apologizes when he does something wrong. You could get kicked off this website for saying the stuff you did. Which would be an important lesson for our own 12 year old to learn so that maybe when you're older you'll understand your career could end for saying something like this.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | June 11, 2008 at 07:11 PM
BEDARD THE CY WINNER AND SEATTLE TAKES THE DIVISION? I'M LMFAO!
Posted by: OUTL@W]EC[ | June 19, 2008 at 10:49 PM