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Schilling Could Return In '09
Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald is reporting that Curt Schilling's shoulder surgery went well and he could pitch again in '09.
“If I want to pitch again, I have a chance to. That’s the bottom line,” Schilling told WEEI yesterday morning. “I’m trying to assess if I’m going to be able to make the commitment for this to happen.”
While a return to the Red Sox may seem like the most obvious destination for Schilling, it will be interesting to see if Theo Epstein is willing to throw good money after bad money. The Red Sox gave Schilling a 1-year/$8MM deal before learning that he would not pitch at all this season.
Cork Gaines writes for RaysIndex and can be reached here.
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i thought schilling's deal was "heavily" incentive laden... was that 8 million base, plus the weight checks?
Posted by: elmedius | June 28, 2008 at 10:41 AM
His deal was $8MM base with up to $6MM in incentives. $3MM of that was for innings. $3MM for awards. and $2MM for meating weight requirements throughout the season. I am assuming that the weight clause doesn't count if he is not playing.
Posted by: Cork Gaines | June 28, 2008 at 11:23 AM
from what it seems like up here in Boston. there is NO Chance the sox will sign schilling next year. we dont need the starting pitching, and there is no need to waste money
Posted by: crunch17 | June 28, 2008 at 11:34 AM
As soon as Schilling knew he was going to miss a significant chunk of the season he had his contract changed from weight clauses to performance clauses so he didn't sit around and collect money for nothing. Against advise from the players union and his attorney.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | June 28, 2008 at 11:50 AM
advice
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | June 28, 2008 at 11:50 AM
As a Sox and Phillies fan, I'd first like to thank Curt for the many wins and two championships. Couldn't do it in Philly, but hey. That's OK.
Secondly, I'd like to ask him to call it a career. I don't think he's got anything left. Rehabbing a shoulder surgery at 31 is a big deal. Adding a decade to that age is a nearly insurmountable obstacle.
Thanks for everything, 38.
Posted by: peterherman | June 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Unfortunately Schilling will go back and forth 20 more times in the next 8 months just so he can keep his name in the papers and on the blogs
Posted by: Sean Gibson | June 28, 2008 at 12:18 PM
"is a nearly insurmountable obstacle."
and if there is one person who would take that obstacle, kick it's ass, and win 15 games in '09 to try and get himself in the Hall.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | June 28, 2008 at 12:18 PM
so 8 million base? wow, not bad for doing nothing. they should make guys on the the 60+ day DL spend the game hours in hospitals with kids or something like that. at least be working the PR department.
Posted by: elmedius | June 28, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I think you are all forgetting one minor detail. Schilling will be resigned in boston for the same reason andy pettite will be resigned in new york. PLAYOFF TIME! Curt schilling is arguably the best playoff pitcher in the history of the game. The numbers don't lie. Last year was his worst playoff of his career and he was what? undefeated with 3.00 ERA? I believe he is 8-2 with just over a 2.00 ERA in 12-17 games pitched. Don't remember the exact amount but i'll leave it to you guys to look up if you care to.
quote from MLB.com "His .800 winning percentage is the highest in postseason history while his ERA is third lowest among playoff hurlers with at least 100 innings."
Andy pettite has put up also a very impressive playoff resume. I am not as familiar with his stats, but he knows what it takes to win big ballgames and he has throughout his career always at least kept the Yanks in the game.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | June 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM
i dont know, beckett is solidifying his place as a certified playoff master with every post season game he pitches. id ride with him before schilling.
plus d-lowe will be a free agent, has never been on the DL and could pitch a whole season for schilling money.. plus his 04 playoff wasnt too shabby as far as post season performances go. why not just go with him?
basically, there are other options than schilling.
Posted by: elmedius | June 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM
I also agree with Arodsucksatlife (both his name and his point lol). Schilling isn't going to make a run at the hall though, i'd say he's a sure in. Championships in Arizona and Boston, impressive career numbers, over 200 wins, 3000 strikeouts. Also a lot of people dont remember old innings eating curt with the phillies and diamondbacks. He has thrown as much as 270 reguar season innings in a single season.
Not only is that impressive, but when he lost the velocity that made him one of the great strikeout pitchers of our time, he had to reinvent himself and establish himself as a contact pitcher and he did just that almost flawlessly. 2005 was a shakey transition year. He also had 3 20+ win seasons i forgot to mention with his best being 22 or 23 wins in a single season! He's going first ballot regardless
However, if boston doesn't offer him a contract, curt will retire. he's already established his family to spend the rest of their lives in boston along with all of his charities. i don't see him pushing for contracts from other teams.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | June 28, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Derek Lowe worries me. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy! He had some great years in Boston. But schilling has CONSISTENCY! Even at old age you know what you are getting from him. Supposedly after this surgery, by next season his shoulder should feel better than it has since 2004. Curt's not going to dilly dally if he wants to play too. He'll get himself back in shape to go.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | June 28, 2008 at 12:41 PM
and elmedius yes beckett does have a great playoff resume... but he's also what? 27-28? 5 years doesn't establish him in the way that Schilling has. But yes at this stage i'd ride beckett as my 1 and schilling as my 2. and I'm going to go ahead and say that Lester would be my 3 instead of dice-k.
The only reason the red sox may not sign schilling is the abundance of SP they have
1. beckett
2. lester
3. schilling
4. dice-k
5. wakefield
6. Bucholz
7. Masterson
8. Colon
Thats ridiculous.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | June 28, 2008 at 12:45 PM
My bet would be any team signing Schill wouldn't go over 1-2M base. The fact is yes, he's still been a good pitcher and despite his suck up style attitude he'd be an good resource for a younger pitching staff. After all, he was the guy who showed Papelbon his splitter. But seriously, no team should expect much more than 100 innings out of Schill next year, and those will probably be sporadic at best. The only way I see the Sox resigning Schill is if Colon walks, Wakefield retires, and Schill offers a discount. Masterson has made a decent case to test him out as a starter for a whole year.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | June 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM
good call on masterson. probably would be my numbr 5 over clay and wake.... bowden and haigwood are going to be in that list someday soon. maybe even charlie zink if he keeps picthing well http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Charlie%20Zink&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=468402
but yeah, a contract similar to colon's this season might buy him some more time in boston... that is if he'll get someone to start proofreading his blog and editing his radio interviews.
Posted by: elmedius | June 28, 2008 at 01:26 PM
Can we please stop using wins and losses to evaluate pitchers? That's got to be the worst stat ever. While some of you are saying Schilling's wins make him a Hall of Famer, I've heard more say he doesn't belong in the Hall because his wins and losses look like Herschiser, Brown, Welch, etc... Which is an equally ridiculous statement.
Schilling is a Hall of Famer because of his dominating strikeout rate (some people above mentioned this) and his durability when he was younger. He has his great postseason moments as well. The first was with Arizona where he started 3 times in 7 games, pitching on 3 days rest twice and the second with the bloody sock. Big plus for being a durable and dominant post-season pitcher. Hall of Famer. And the only reason he didn't win any Cy Youngs (some people count that against him) is because Randy Johnson decided to strike out 370 and 350 batters for back to back Cy Youngs.
And for the record, the greatest postseason pitcher
in this era is Mariano Rivera.
Posted by: Victor | June 28, 2008 at 05:18 PM
victor:
compare curt schillings early years
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=121811&statType=2
to bronson arroyos...
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=276520&statType=2
innings eater with good k rate... he going to be a hall of famer too?
thats what id say if i was a smartass... but then again i realize bronson will never strikeout 300 batters or get his era under 4 again... but i thought id bring him up since we are talking about over paid and washed up sox pitchers.
he'll never get in if rice doesnt by the way.
Posted by: elmedius | June 28, 2008 at 05:49 PM
or ex-sox pitchers i mean.
Posted by: elmedius | June 28, 2008 at 06:10 PM