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According to MLB.com's Steve Gilbert, the Diamondbacks' extension talks with ace Brandon Webb are on hold for now. That's pretty much all that is known. It's unclear how far the talks got or who killed them.
Webb, 29, has never posted an ERA higher than 3.59 in any season. He is simply a beast. The D'Backs and Webb have plenty of time to work out an extension, since he's essentially signed cheaply through 2010. Random thought - I wonder if Webb will be affected at all if Orlando Hudson leaves as a free agent after this season.
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Josh Byrnes is a smart man. You don't extend a 31 year old pitcher for max dollars.
"- I wonder if Webb will be affected at all if Orlando Hudson leaves as a free agent after this season."
Of course he will be. Callapso was traded right?
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | June 20, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Arodsucksatlife-
So what do you do? Deal the best pitcher in the game while your looking up at a apossible championship?
Posted by: ballerwhiteboy | June 20, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Presuming Hudson does leave at the end of the season (as I think he will) the D'backs are not in trouble when it comes to 2nd base. People forget a little about Emilio Bonifacio who could step right in.
Posted by: Aaron | June 20, 2008 at 11:12 PM
No you control him while for cheap while running at a championship the next 2 years. Then you let someone else take his 20 million dollars a year, downside. You only spend free agent dollars on those position players that you feel can earn the money. Pitchers are never worth the money post 31.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | June 20, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Manny/Arod/M.Cab you should as a G.M identify the top 3-5 of every position, and never spend a free agent dollar on anybody who doesn't fit that criteria. Create a player development program, that requires no free agent deals.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | June 21, 2008 at 12:00 AM
ArodSucksaLife-
First off, Webb is 29, not 31. Second off, u r exactly right in your assestment. I would extend webb possibly till he was 33 or so if he comes with a hometown discount.... However, something else that could play into this is Webb's recent dead arm comments, and his decrease in velocity as of late.....Pehaps Byrnes is aware of how common surgery is for pitches around this age who have logged as many innings as Webb has and just does not want ot make the necessary commitments.
Posted by: bravesbeast | June 21, 2008 at 12:48 AM
"ArodSucksaLife-
First off, Webb is 29, not 31. Second off, u r exactly right in your assestment. I would extend webb possibly till he was 33 or so if he comes with a hometown discount...."
I know his age. My point is that Josh Byrnes his GM, has made a deal taking him to 31 with the deal he signed a while ago that pays him 09:$6.5M, 10:$8.5M. That is flat out outstanding. Everyone else in baseball can bid on him after that, and pay him 20 million which he may or may not be worth year to year, but he is most definitely not worth of the contract that he will require. So the Diamondbacks will let him go after this contract, which makes a while shi*load of sense. They will get 2 draft picks for him after competing for 3 World Series. They only have tom sign him if there is a home town movement to reguire his services, which is doubtful.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | June 21, 2008 at 03:14 AM
"Pitchers are never worth the money post 31."
Funny, I wonder if Randy Johnson knows that, given that he didn't win the first of his FIVE Cy Youngs until 31? Or Clemens, who won 4 of his 7 at 34 or older? Schilling? His best, most consistent play has been post-30. Ryan? 301 Ks at age 42. David Wells? Kevin Brown (before you say anything, take a look at his age 38 season)? John Smoltz?
Talk about a terrible blanket statement that isn't even a semblance of the truth.
Posted by: AA | June 21, 2008 at 03:45 AM
Hmm, I wonder if the list of pitchers who didn't enjoy success after their age 31 season is longer than the list that did.
I bet it is. Hell I even bet it's significantly longer. There are certainly exceptions but generally it's a smart move to not invest ace-dollars in an aging arm.
I think AA was desperate to sound smart and tell somebody off...
Posted by: GoBoSox420 | June 21, 2008 at 05:27 AM
"- I wonder if Webb will be affected at all if Orlando Hudson leaves as a free agent after this season."
Hmmmm, groundball pitcher affected by a Gold Glove 2nd baseman leaving...? Nah...
If I am remembering correctly, I think B Webb made the jump from good to great the year O-Dog came in as a free agent. I don't know much about the D-Backs internal replacements, but I do know that Webb would miss having that glove behind him
Posted by: bucs_lose_again | June 21, 2008 at 07:36 AM
I wonder if there is a list of pitchers that had exorbitant dollars thrown at them that crippled a franchise because it was a poor investment. Not everyone is the Yankees that can just absorb a Carl Pavano.
You want to cost control a players peak years, and then let someone else take the risk of free agent deals on the declining years.
Ryan Howard is a prime example. The Phillies are maximizing his peak during his pre-arbitration/arbitration years. They would be foolish to give him a massive multi year deal because when he's 35+ and not hitting 50 bombs a year he's not going to be worth it. If you tried to sign Brandon Webb to a free agent deal right now he'd be getting a Johan type deal, and maybe the first 3 years of the deal are fine but when he's 34-35+ and still making 20 million its kind of a bitch.
Maximize the performance per dollar. Go read Moneyball.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | June 21, 2008 at 02:19 PM
Yeah love making a point, and then ruining it by saying stupid right at the end.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | June 21, 2008 at 02:54 PM