Brewers Offering LaPorta In Possible Sabathia Deal

yuck

That does seem like way too much unless the Brewers plan on re-signing Sabathia, which is incredibly unlikely. The Mets gave up a gang of mediocre prospects for the Johan. I can't see how a half season of Sabathia is worth LaPorta.

well, its a little much for a rental guy, but the thing I dont understand is that the prince is going to be traded after this season, so who will take over 1st? If gamel goes there, because of laporta being traded now, who will play 3rd? This deal would make so much more sense if we traded cleveland...

Mat Gamel
Cole Gillespie
Darren Ford
Lorenzo Cain

for

CC

-because right now were trading away players that will fill needs next year on our major league club. That doesn't make sense, and at least true brewers fans are sick of draft pick compensation for losing our good players, we want to win, and not just this season, I think DM is taking a HUGE, unnecessary risk in pulling the trigger on this deal.

I think Lorenzo Cain is going to be just about worthless, and probably never make it to the majors in the Indians organization. I think they will be

Keep both Green and Cain, and add in Gamel? ;) "That is a joke by the way" I read about Cain, what upside do you think he has, because he sounds like Felix Pie....

My understanding is (I live in Cleveland and work for the Indians - although in merchandising not the front office) that the Indians and Brewers have agreed on a Sabathia, Gutierrez (how would play center for the Brewers next year) and Rafael Betancourt for LaPorta, Green, Villanueva and third prospect. The Brewers were willing to deal a higher rated prospect (the Indians love Jeffress and Salome) if Shoppach was include or we trade Rafael Perez instead of Betancourt. Blake has also been talked about. Anyways my point is that this Cleveland will send other players to the Brewers in any deal not just CC.

I highly doubt the brewers will trade villanueva.

and sorry, but i dont know if i can believe a rumor thats coming from indians merchandising, nothing personal.

If we trade C.C., Bentancourt and Guiterrez then we need Laporta and Gamel. Because both Bentancourt and Sabathia are proven talents while all the Brewers are "supposedly offering" is prospects.

1250 WSSP here in Milwaukee was reporting that the Brewers put an offer on the table that included Matt LaPorta and J.J. Hardy. I don't like the idea of giving up an all-star short-stop for a guy that wants 20 mil in 3 months. I'd love the trade if Cleveland took Bill Hall however.

Me too Glover, I wish the trade would just get done, whateevr it may be and we can get on with our lives and other rumors. "Funny we are sick of rumors on mlbtraderumors.com" Irony.

Glover,

Why is it that you are in every thread trying to claim the rumor as presented to be stupid or way too much or whatever; then turning around only to ask a bunch of fans if they would take a lesser (to sometimes much lesser) package? I suggest you just come to the realization that this (LaPorta/Green/Cain) might be what the team is offering and hope that it doesn’t somehow end up being even more. Right now youre just working yourself up for nothing, its not going to provide anything and trying to talk some fans into lesser packages is obviously pointless when a better package has already been mentioned as possibly being offered…

Also Teetz, trying to somehow compare this situation to the one with Johan is ill-advised, the two situations actually couldn’t be farther from eachother. Santana was a pitcher being traded over the offseason (when no one knows for sure if they would be competing) by a GM on the job for like a month that was limited to about 3 teams because of Johans no-trade-clause and contract demands ~ while 2 of the teams would have been clubs the Twins would have to get through to compete, making it only one really desirable trade partner. Despite all that though, the package received was still rather strong and even better packages could have been had if they were willing to face Johan 5+ times a year… The Bedard deal is possibly a bit closer in comparison because it was a trade made by a fairly desperate to compete team, but Bedard also doesn’t have near the ability or durability that Sabathia does either ~ Bedard was a bunch of ifs to begin with.

If anything, its probably better to overpay for a rental player when you get to the point of knowing for sure you can use him to make it into the playoffs, then to overpay for a guy when you are not sure if the team around him is good enough to get you anywhere. This talk of “its only a rental” stuff is just getting way out of hand though, and the rumored offer from the Brewers and Dodgers shows that a Stud Rental to a team when they are actually competing, that will bring a guaranteed 2 first-rounders if/when he walks, is worth overpaying for…

Everyone might not feel that way, but apparently the people who matter do.

Indians just signed Jeff Weaver to a minor league deal. This looks like a clear indicator that the Tribe will ship out Sabathia and not get a starter in return. Hopefully Weaver works out like Scott Elarton did a few years back.
As for the trade offer, I think it would be very unwise of the Indians to offer Betancourt along with CC and Gut unless of course it ups the offer from the Brewers side significantly. One would think that Betancourt alone could be traded to a team in need of bullpen help for a high level prospect. Despite his struggles this year someone would be willing to give up something useful.

"Yea get him!! Still won't help them catch the Cubs and the Cards. Brewers will have 0% chance resigning him! Why waste a prospect for him then? Face it last year the brewers got lucky. Its the Cubs year and division for years to come!"

Great, another idiot cub fan spreading his wisdom on us. Hey genius, you are aware the Brewers are only ONE GAME behind the cards right? You are right, one game is way to insurmountable. Go back to the cubs message board clown!

Why would ANYBODY want to be with the Brewers? i am aware they are 1 game out. Are you aware the the Brewers chocked last year? What reason do you have that they wont do it again? Are you aware who is in first? BREWERS FANS: look for the wc...division is already given to the CUBBIES! (again)

HAHAHAHAHAHA a BREWERS fan thinking they will make the playoffs...THIS is great

"Are you aware the the Brewers chocked last year?"

Please buddy keep going. I cant wait until the few smart cub fans on this blog see how much you have embarassed them and call you out for the gigantic clown that you are.

"smart" "cubs fan" just doesnt go together at all

cubs land,

Just stop now. Once the Brewerse get C.C. the race will be a lot closer and the Brewers will take over the Cardinals and will win the wild card. I don't see them winning the divison but I now see with this trade that the Brewers will take over the wild card. I do agree though with cubs land the most likely the Brewers won't resign C.C. I'm not saying there is a 0% chance but it is very low considering the money he wants and Milwaukee doesn't have that kind of money.

Im pretty sure that CC wont be resigned by the brewers, but consider this.

The brewers are averaging 35,000 plus fans a game. Thats more that 3,000 more than last year. if an average ticket costs 30 dollars (and most are more), thats an extra 90 thousand dollars a game. Times 81 games and the brewers are rolling in and extra 7,290,000 this year for home games. Not to mention, the brewers will continue drawing larger crowds as they get better. Dont rule out the brewers to resign cc at the end of the season. Doug Melvin is not stupid, and if laporta is involved in this package, i do expect that mark attanasio will roll out some of his pocket money to get some sort of deal done, because im positive he wont let this team fall apart after this season.

not to mention, if cc comes here, not only will more people will come to see him, the team will get better, and as the tam gets better, more tickets will sell. Dont rule the crew out.

And lastly, i believe that this cubs-brewers race will come down to the final 3 games in Milwaukee at the end of September. Dont be ignorant, the brewers have just as talented a team as chicago.

i am expecting a cc trade before the end of the weekend, but does that mean CC would start on tuesday for the brewers?

The Indians could face a very difficult choice:

Brewers: LaPorta, Green and a lesser prospect

Dodgers: McDonald, LaRoche and a lesser prospect

Ordinarily I think Shapiro leans toward the pitching but I think LaPorta is a special talent and the Tribe offense really, really sucks.

It might boil down to which team is willing to up the ante (Escobar, Kershaw etc. etc.)

keep in mind that the brewers want to win NOW. imagine the rotation: Sheets, Sabathia, Suppan, McClung, Parra. Send Bush to the pen (long-relief), send Mota down. So now you have a solid pen considering the fact that Gagne is healthy and looks solid in the set-up role for torres. the object is to win NOW!!! worry about next season AFTER this season. Does anyone on this post seriously think they are smarter than melvin/ash regarding their trade proposal? oh yeah, so cc walks after the season, so what? we'll get 2 1st rounders next year in compensation, remember linebrink? 5 first round picks next year, and the crew already has loads of talent in the minors already. i imagine we can get a pretty good (i.e. ace) pitcher for prince plus a first baseman/of (gamel could play 1B or RF.

glover28,

if the deal goes down this weekend, hopefully sunday, then yes you would see cc start on tuesday (for parra), followed by sheets, parra (for bush), suppan, mcclung, and finally cc on sunday (therefore insuring 2 starts for cc b4 the break) the brewers will win at least 4 of 6 of those games.

projected record b4 break is 54-41.

after the break the rotation will be sheets, cc, suppan, mcclung, and parra. bush will be sent to the pen and mota will be sent down to make room. set-up, gagne, closer, torres.

projected record end of season is 94-68 (.580).

Also,

“Indians just signed Jeff Weaver to a minor league deal. This looks like a clear indicator that the Tribe will ship out Sabathia and not get a starter in return”

…Agree its most likely CC, but let us not also forget that Weaver could be Byrds replacement just the same…

“I know this darkstar guy sounds pretty phony, but”

…I think you confused me with that ntkinsly person.

“Its the Cubs year and division for years to come!”

…it’s a 2.5 game lead after todays lost to StL, and Mil is sitting 3.5 games back. There is still close to half the season left. Yet you are that confident (or should we say arrogant) in the face of your biggest competitor possibly adding the biggest difference maker they could ever find? Seriously? Wow…

Lastly, Type-Key sucks!!!

darkstar1661,

I didn't hear that C.C didn't want to be with an east coast team. That makes things more interesting. I still think though that he would rather go with money than years. But your point about the years makes a lot of sense too.

Also,

I live in Wisconsin around the Milwaukee area and its been heard that they will try to resign him but they don't believe they have the money to resign him so they are just going to go for the draft picks instead.

glover 28,

in answer to your ?...i think it makes them a favorite to win the division, therefore winning the n.l., by default. however, the cubs and cards are good clubs, and it should be interesting to see how those two (4 game) series go after the break. honestly, i think the brew will win 90+ games with cc. the 'pen is solid as well (as long as mota is no longer a part of it). gagne seems to be back in the groove and torres is solid; a nice combo to have.

to B4 I die,

so gagne hasn't been solid since he's been back? how 'bout torres since he's assumed the closer role? no, i'm not counting a lot of chickens (or baby bear fan$) b4 they hatch. btw: when was the last time the bc had a rotation including a rotation of sheets (cy young 2008), cc (cy 2007), suppan, torres, et. al.. in '92 the crew won 92 games, and in '82 the crew won 95 games. if i'm not right about 94 wins? then how do the cub$ win 95 without bli$ter$ on their a$$e$? cub$ are all about the $$$ and you know it...

"Counting a lot of chickens before they hatch, aren't you?"
"Finally if CC is not going to east or west coast, nor back to Cleveland, he will sign with the Cubs, not Milwaukee!"

Hello pot, meet kettle. You dont even know who is going to be the cubs new owner, but you have all but guaranteed the cubs will sign him? Now who is counting their chickens before they hatch? As usual your ignorance continues to amaze.

Im just wondering whether its you,cubs land, or 2008 that make guys like scribbletone and Aduncaroo(i.e. the only few smart cubs fans out here) cringe the most.

forlife-

don't know where he'll sign, but compared to Milwaukee, Chicago is light years more attractive: better fan support, more money, and believe it or not, more winning (playoffs: '84, '89, '98, '03, '07)! Brewers? uh...'82 was awesome at County Stadium.
And (duh...) Cubs' new owner will have the same fountains of cash the old owners have, and will want to win to make a name for themselves.

glover-
Arrogant? Since you don't know how to read, literally or figuratively, I will copy my earlier very non-arrogant quote on this page for you:

"I know the Cubs are NOT a lock and could lose the division to St.L. or Milwaukee," granted I added: "if you're right and Brewers win 94 games, the Cubs will win 95." Well what's wrong with that bit of confidence with a tinge of humor??

Enjoy your day!

ok now it my turn

1. The deal is all but over, so we will have cc
2. Tahnks, your right, CC and Ben Sheets kills Zambrano and dempster even more!
3. a) you have no shot on earth for cc
b) you have no shot on earth for harden
c) burnett stinks.
d) your roation is going to fall apart.
4. nobody cares about randy wolf.

"Yeah, the Cubs will match the Brews and add a pitcher who can win 7-8 games the 2nd half (that's the most CC will be, and by the way that's only about 4 games better than Bush would be) so the Cubs will offset any CC move."

-no chance, get over yourself, the brewers are getting by far the best pitcher available at the deadline, and were going to get at least 16 starts out of him, not counting the postseason. And now, our rotation is better than yours.

cubs in 09?

Nothing is a for sure thing in baseball. It is more than likely the Breweres will get C.C. but its not a done deal. Not til we all see him in that Brewers uniform. You are forgetting that the Dodgers are making a serious play for C.C. They are still in the race for the Western divison since it's awful right now.

On another note, what is up with all this people bashing us Cub fans. I know sometimes fans make statements that are just absurd but we aren't the only fans that make this statements or remarks. There are just a few fans for every team on this website that make absurd statements.

"On another note, what is up with all this people bashing us Cub fans. I know sometimes fans make statements that are just absurd but we aren't the only fans that make this statements or remarks. There are just a few fans for every team on this website that make absurd statements."

Wrong 12!! You are either in denial or you dont get on this board that much if you just believe what you said. If this deal does go down, look for the thread where a certain fanbase spouts off all their hatred for all things CC, Milwaukee, and spout offf their pompous BS of how it doesnt matter and they didnt want CC anyway.