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Manny Ramirez Rumors: Thursday
3:26pm: Many people are emailing saying Jon Heyman is reporting Manny to the Dodgers.
3:08pm: Aaaaaand...it's dead again.
3:02pm: Rosenthal stirs things up: the three-headed Manny-Bay-Hermida deal is back on.
2:46pm: Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe says the three-way is dead, while the Dodgers are in play. Gordon Edes of the Boston Globe says to count out the Dodgers on Manny. Guess these guys aren't cube-mates.
1:31pm: Heyman says the Dodgers are back in the mix for Manny but the Marlins aren't out of it.
1:17pm: Nick Cafardo doesn't buy the "dead" talk. However, the Pirates may have turned away from the Boston-Florida scenario for Bay. The Rays are still a possibility for him.
12:56pm: Rosenthal's hearing this thing is dead.
11:49am: Rosenthal has a mixed opinion, with one source advising caution and another saying the deal is "taking off." Manny is following the ordeal on ESPN.
More links: a Gordon Edes Q&A on the topic, and word from Yahoo's Tim Brown that the Pirates are happy with their end of the deal.
11:46am: Peter Gammons says the three-way Manny deal is close to dead. It may not make sense for Boston.
11:34am: A deal hasn't been reached, though Manny has consented to a Florida trade. Jon Heyman considers this a major hurdle cleared.
The Rays appear unlikely to make a trade, by the way. Perhaps they're cursed by their own loaded farm system.
11:29am: Will Carroll has an update. The Pirates could back out Bay talks entirely if they don't get what they want. The Red Sox will continue shopping Manny regardless, with the Dodgers and a mystery team in the mix. The Dodgers might be willing to part with Matt Kemp.
10:44am: Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe agrees - the Pirates' return for Bay may be the holdup.
10:12am: Rosenthal says the three teams have a framework for the major players, but no agreement on the prospects. The Bucs' return from the Red Sox is the holdup. Rosenthal says Tucker and Stanton will stay put, by the way.
9:37am: Kovacevic says the Pirates are open to trading Bay to the Red Sox or the Rays.
9:22am: ESPN's Jayson Stark's source has this at 50-50. The Pirates are insisting on Stanton but the Marlins don't want to give him up. Grabow coud end up in Florida rather than Boston. Tucker is in play but not a lock to be moved.
9:10am: Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald has a source saying chances of a deal are "less than 50-50." Some members of Red Sox front office are not convinced Manny should be traded. What do you think? Are they better off with Bay and Grabow or Manny?
7:59am: Scott Miller of CBSSports.com hears that Ryan Tucker and Mike Stanton would not be in the deal. He says it's not done and talks could still collapse. By the way, the Pirates have tried to acquire Jeremy Hermida in the past.
7:17am: Here's the latest on the Manny Ramirez-Jason Bay-Jeremy Hermida three-way deal talks. At this time, the AP is saying there is no tentative agreement between the Red Sox, Pirates, and Marlins.
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DETAILS PEAGLE DAMMIT
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:22 PM
I swear...
Ken Rosenthal must be on drugs.
He's going to FLA as we speak!
Nope, the deal is all but dead.
Wait...no! It appears it's going to be worked out!
No wait...it's dead...
Wait...errr...its...
*Curls up in the corner of padded cell*
Posted by: Positive/Negative | July 31, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Edes says the deal is done. Yet without details.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | July 31, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Manny has been dealt...no specifics yet
Posted by: JDubbs17 | July 31, 2008 at 03:22 PM
He was traded:http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/
Posted by: Kramerica Industries | July 31, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Did NESN really say that?
Posted by: magic8ball | July 31, 2008 at 03:22 PM
same with cafardo.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | July 31, 2008 at 03:22 PM
"Jonah Keri just said Boston said Manny was available to block Pirates talking with Tampa."
Is this our genius-of-Epstein spin for 2008? They tricked everyone into thinking they wanted to trade a malcontent LF just to stop Tampa Bay from getting Jason Bay! (Evil but content laugh from Epstein!)
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 31, 2008 at 03:23 PM
why tell us a deal went down and have no information....im going insane
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:23 PM
for god sake someone verify this!
Posted by: 04Forever | July 31, 2008 at 03:24 PM
wtf is going on....
im getting trade blue balls here
Posted by: UGotRPK3113 | July 31, 2008 at 03:24 PM
Man I hate Boston reporters
Posted by: Positive/Negative | July 31, 2008 at 03:25 PM
NESN says Dodgers-Pirates-Red Sox involved.
Posted by: overmind | July 31, 2008 at 03:25 PM
hahaha the boston.com website is crashing because its being flooded with traffic
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:25 PM
Look I haven't read all the posts. I don't have time. But it seems to me that the BoSox don't really want Bay, but by posturing as if they want Bay and by dangling before the Pirates Hermida, a guy they have always wanted, the BoSox essentially blew up a potential tampa pittsburgh deal.
A good strategy. You know that the team in first wants player X, so why not pretend like you will give more value to the team for player X, and then at the last minute the deal falls through - not leaving enough time for the Rays and Pirates to get something done. I mean Jason Bay v. Manny, I'd rather have Hermida than Bay...
I'm sure insiders (people from Boston) will tell me otherwise, but I just don't see the Jason Bay thing as legitimate.
Posted by: skkrman7482 | July 31, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Tim must be on a bathroom break.
Posted by: Positive/Negative | July 31, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe is reporting that the Red Sox, not the Dodgers, likely landed Jason Bay. Might mean that Andre Either meant more to the Pirates than Jeremy Hermida.
Posted by: JDubbs17 | July 31, 2008 at 03:26 PM
Baseball prospectus is saying Manny is headed to the Dodgers, no specifics yet.
Posted by: Billy Heywood | July 31, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Manny to Dodgers, Bay to Boston.
Posted by: overmind | July 31, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Heyman says Manny to LA:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=sircrc
Posted by: sfgreg | July 31, 2008 at 03:28 PM
let me get this straight...assuming this deal really is dead, NO trades happened today? when was the last time that happened?
Posted by: JohnKruksWaistLine | July 31, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Just heard from a good source...Manny to Green Bay for Farve
Posted by: illegalblues | July 31, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Mmmhmmm.
It appears Manny to LA, Bay to Boston, Pitt gets numerous prospects
Posted by: Positive/Negative | July 31, 2008 at 03:28 PM
ok...ok...if manny is a dodger and matt kemp is headed to boston i'm going to go berserker.
Posted by: JohnKruksWaistLine | July 31, 2008 at 03:29 PM
MLB.com says Bay is going to the dodgers. Everyone is going to the dodgers!
Posted by: ScottBrosius | July 31, 2008 at 03:29 PM
as long as we get bay and get manny out of here
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:29 PM
wow, nobody really know anything yet at all.
maybe manny has, in an odd turn of events, been trade to both teams then traded back to boston
Posted by: 04Forever | July 31, 2008 at 03:30 PM
This is a Gordon Edes scoop.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | July 31, 2008 at 03:31 PM
This just in:
All players rumored to be traded this deadline have been traded to the Dodgers!
Posted by: Positive/Negative | July 31, 2008 at 03:31 PM
where are you guys getting this
Posted by: yankfan1 | July 31, 2008 at 03:32 PM
Are the Brothers LaRoche going to be united in Pitt?
Posted by: Billy Heywood | July 31, 2008 at 03:32 PM
That would be good for LA.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 31, 2008 at 03:32 PM
r the marlins definety not involved?
Posted by: FLAMarlinsFan | July 31, 2008 at 03:32 PM
I've heard Edes just says Manny to LA, but boston.com is getting brutalized right now and I can't get on.
Posted by: peterherman | July 31, 2008 at 03:33 PM
The marlins probably didn't want to ditch top prospects...
... it appears the Dodgers dont share that same feeling
Posted by: UGotRPK3113 | July 31, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Rosenthal has manny to LA as well - three teams - meaning Bay probably to BOS
Posted by: ScottBrosius | July 31, 2008 at 03:33 PM
marlins arent involved. they blew it, but then again i like the marlins kind of and how they operate, i wouldnt wish such bad chemistry and luck on them like giving manny to them.
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:34 PM
WBCN in boston is reporting that Manny has in fact been traded to the dodgers
Posted by: 04Forever | July 31, 2008 at 03:34 PM
r the fish done for the day, wat about a c!!!!
Posted by: FLAMarlinsFan | July 31, 2008 at 03:34 PM
Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner's office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
per ken rosenthal
i tend to believe his reports but who knows at this point
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:35 PM
From Boston.com:
"Cafardo also reported that he thinks the Red Sox may have landed Jason Bay from the Pirates as part of a three-team deal between the Red Sox, Pirates, and Dodgers."
Posted by: Peagle8 | July 31, 2008 at 03:35 PM
what are the other teams and players though??
Posted by: 04Forever | July 31, 2008 at 03:35 PM
i hate how we always build for tomorow, i hate our owner and our president, their asses and dont care about winning! We never do anything!!!!
Posted by: FLAMarlinsFan | July 31, 2008 at 03:36 PM
o and boston.com dosent seem to have anything new reported just the regular stuff saying no details yet
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Rosenthal:
Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.
The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez's contract.
Posted by: PapiSox | July 31, 2008 at 03:37 PM
FLAMarlinsFan
You signed Hanley to a long-term, team friendly deal.
You did something...
Posted by: UGotRPK3113 | July 31, 2008 at 03:37 PM
I think he means outfielder Brandon Moss
Posted by: PapiSox | July 31, 2008 at 03:38 PM
you mean we lost hansen too?! BONUS!!
Posted by: 04Forever | July 31, 2008 at 03:38 PM
FLAMArlinsFan. you guys have won 2 times in 11 years i believe. the marlins are a smart team but the small budget does hinder them. it could be worse like the A's who trade away all their aces. right now they could have a rotation of hudson, haren, duchs, mulder, and blanton
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:38 PM
bro dont play around, we signed someone o wow, im just ticked tht were the only ones left out and our ownership is cheap and wont do anything.
Posted by: FLAMarlinsFan | July 31, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Hudson and Mulder? They'd be better off with Skully and Mulder ...
Posted by: PapiSox | July 31, 2008 at 03:40 PM
if we can sign bay to a long term deal say 6-8 years then losing moss is neglible but hansen had good stuff, nasty slider and a plus fastball. too bad we lost him he had the stuff you cant teach
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:40 PM
ya we win but it just takes so long to rebuild when its not necessary, keep some players, acquire some players, dont just give it away, they dont care about the fans.
Posted by: FLAMarlinsFan | July 31, 2008 at 03:41 PM
if that deal Roenthal is reporting is true, the Pirates got four decent prospects for Jason Bay ... they might have gotten the best end of this whole thing
Posted by: PapiSox | July 31, 2008 at 03:41 PM
marlinsfan, it makes sense to be ticked cause you could have manny on your team and he MIGHT HAVE played hard for you guys and you MIGHT HAVE made the playoffs and MIGHT HAVE won the world series with him, but a 2 month rental albeit free rental of manny isnt worth your top prospects and hermidia. youll look back on today and realize this was a blessing in disguise
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:43 PM
anybody here think that Manny will adhere to the Dodgers' rule about good grooming? I hope he makes a stink about it and the dodgers have buyer's remorse immediately.
Posted by: PapiSox | July 31, 2008 at 03:43 PM
hermida is an average player. i watch him every night, hes average.
Posted by: FLAMarlinsFan | July 31, 2008 at 03:44 PM
the dodgers now have pierre, kemp, jones, ramirez, and ethier, wat r they going to do?
Posted by: FLAMarlinsFan | July 31, 2008 at 03:44 PM
So CSIZZL3 the A's could have hudson who will most likely have tommy john,mark mulder who will need another shoulder surgery and may not come back, blanton with a 5.00 era, and dux who is good but is hurt almost as much as rich harden. What a rotation that would be I would for sure take that over all the players they got and will get for dux in return.
Posted by: joemorgan=#1 | July 31, 2008 at 03:45 PM
o and how did we not get grabow for that deal? we lose moss hansen and give manny away and pay his salary and just get kicked back bay? i mean ill take bay any day of the week over a lazy manny but that seems like a hefty price
Posted by: CSIZZL3 | July 31, 2008 at 03:45 PM
Hermida is 24, dude. He's not nearly a finished product.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | July 31, 2008 at 03:45 PM
Sox better get grabow too
Posted by: magic8ball | July 31, 2008 at 03:45 PM
not play jones and pierre is probably a good idea.
Posted by: joemorgan=#1 | July 31, 2008 at 03:46 PM
IMO the Red Sox gave up way too much just to get rid of Manny and his nonsense. The Pirates cleaned up... Hanson throws in the mid 90's and Moss can be an everyday OF.
Posted by: Peagle8 | July 31, 2008 at 03:48 PM
i know hermida is young.........lets keep him and build for the 20' season!!!!!!also lets trade hanley and uggla to! geese.........
Posted by: FLAMarlinsFan | July 31, 2008 at 03:49 PM
According to ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3513383
Posted by: theillien | July 31, 2008 at 03:54 PM
So the Sox trade Manny, Moss, Hansen (when what we needed was a RH setup guy) and $7 mill for Jason Bay? That's it???
Terrible job by Theo, I don't care what kind of position Manny put them in, this is way too much.
Posted by: Papelboner | July 31, 2008 at 03:58 PM
i hate jeffrey loria and david samson....
Posted by: FLAMarlinsFan | July 31, 2008 at 04:01 PM
Sox came away the loser but something had to be done, Moss was never going to be anything but a 4th outfielder for the Sox but Hansen was the closer of the future. We needed to get Grabow too.
Posted by: magic8ball | July 31, 2008 at 04:01 PM
i'm kinda excited about this...obviously it's a bit hard letting go of a guy that's basically the face of the team. he was the leader and came through alot for us. he'll be missed. but, we did get a few more pitching prospects, which is what we needed. now if these guys mature over the next few seasons, and maybe a few more bats and we'll be solid! who knows...i can hope for the future.
Posted by: pixburgher | July 31, 2008 at 04:09 PM
little did we know that manny would be a dodger for 2009 and 2010 wow crazy that know one knew about what this turned into
Posted by: dodgers1994 | March 08, 2009 at 07:59 PM