Manny To Dodgers, Bay To Red Sox

If I was Pittsburgh, I'd bust Boston for Lowrie too.

Brosius....Yes they are spending $7M, but my point is that they are spending $7M now to save $10.5 next season...remeber, they still had pay it even if they didn't trade him. So why not pay it now, solidify your outfield for next season and save $10.5M next season?

"Happy day for Yankees? Nope. A happy day for the Yankees would be getting rid of the ridiculous contracts of Abreu ... and Giambi ... and Jeter ... and Pavano ... and Damon ... and how about that tremendous four-year deal for Posada? GENIUS! And wait until you dingleberries pony up four years and $100 million for Manny this offseason ... choke on it, yanker "

I think someone is a little pissed off that their team just had to give away Manny AND two prospects while paying for the rest of Manny's contract just to get back Bay.

yes finally, now my yanks dont have to deal with his bat

hahahahahahahahaha its a great day for yankees all over the world lol

Alvarez if signed can play 1st base.

"remeber, they still had pay it even if they didn't trade him."

True, though I guess they have to pay Bay something as well for this year - though not nearly as much.

Manny's production has been on a decline since 06, and when you toss in Bay's defense this is a net gain for the Sox. Yeah a reliever would've been great, and Manny plus 2 prospects seems like a lot to give up. The thing is though Hansen is a bust in Boston and Brandon Moss would never be a starter in Boston.

Well, I think this settles the whole deal for the Dodgers. They loved what they saw from DeWitt this year and want to develop him into their third baseman of the future.

"That's a good point. This trade doesn't make a whole lot of sense if all the LAD gave up were those two washouts..."

Don't be so sure they wash out. The lower pressure environment in Pgh, not to mention being around his brother (Karate Kid theme twice per game!), may well be what LaRoche needs.

"Manny killed Yankee pitching and Bay has never seen it."

This is true, though we really haven't seen Bay play half his games in a hitter's park.

"If I was Pittsburgh, I'd bust Boston for Lowrie too."

All the people who trashed them for the Nady/Marte deal are probably backing off a bit now with the haul they got.

Colletti is lucky he works for a team with a ton of money, 'cause he really seems to be a moron. Let's see if I have this right...they've got kids like Kemp, Ethier, and Delwyn Young (OK, let's just stick with the first two) as well as a sinkhole in Juan Pierre. So what do you do? Sign a declining 'star' who looks like he's aged 25 years over the last two- Andruw Jones. Ummm...huh? Then, at the trade deadline, while talking to the team that has a SS- which you've been looking for- you get...another declining- albeit FAR better- star with a history of being a complete d-bag! Brilliant!!! At this rate, the Dodgers will have a whole roster of billionaire OF'ers and little else. Don't get me wrong, they're a pretty solid club, but it's DESPITE Colletti's best efforts to totally screw them from within. I was really hoping the O's would offer George Sherrill, Aubrey Huff, and a shapely pile of navel lint for Kershaw and Kemp just to see if- like some Pavlovian dog- Colletti would smell a chance to ruin his organization and jump at it.

ScottBrosius
you called a kid throwing in A ball a wash out? hm ok. laroche will hit, hes the third baseman for them now and he knows it. no trying to earn a spot, he will hit and be on base all the time.
really though when i heard this trade i really thought kemp was traded because thats the only thing that makes sense

"Aubrey Huff is just as good as Jason Bay, too bad the Os couldnt swing this thing."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. One puts up all-star numbers in a pitcher's park and the other puts up solid numbers in a hitter's park, and they are equals?

"Colletti is lucky he works for a team with a ton of money"

Theoretically, but McCourt mortgaged everything down to his underwear to buy the Dodgers, so don't expect Yankee or even Angel-esque spending till Andruw is off the books and some of the renovations have taken place.

"Kemp, Ethier, and Delwyn Young"

After this deal, I think Young is finally going to be fully converted back to 2B for next year. Plus, I think Torre has been told that the Jones doctrine (play the guy no matter how bad he is) is off and to field the best lineup.

I think the Red Sox did well considering their leverage in the situation. Obviously there roster isnt much better now, but Bay should be able to perform at a very similar level to Manny without the headaches, and club house distractions. Nobody can deny that the Sox needed to shake things up a bit with the way they have been playing. Another thing to consider is that if Bay does well, he could be the Sox left fielder for the next half decade.

The Dodgers did pretty well here. LaRoche has proven absolutely nothing and is not even hitting well in the minors this year. They receive exactly what they needed in the form of Manny, and the two compensation picks after he leaves this year.

The Pirates did poorly again, just as they did in the Nady/Marte trade. Its very possible that Brandon Moss is the only 1 in the bunch that becomes an average outfielder, and his ceiling isnt much higher than that.

I'm very inpressed by the Pirates in this deal, not even having to give up Grabow they got a future closer, 3B, a surprisingly quality AA arm(Morris= 20 y.o. with a 3.20 ERA with 72 ks and only 31 BBs in 81 IP) and on OF who's proved he can hit in the bigs. I wish the Braves had gotten a haul like this for Tex...

Dodgers really lose here I think, they never seem to be rebuilding.

Steal for the Red Sox. Manny and Ramirez are about the same, but they get Bay for next year for Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen. I hate the deal for the Pirates. They give up Bay for only 1 good prospect, a stopgap outfielder, and 2 mediocer pitchers. This will probably make Neil Walker expendable. Alvarez could move to 1B and they could trade LaRoche. I could see Walker to the A's for a pitching propsect like Brett Anderson. It seems like a decent move for the Dodgers.

o plus id like to hear red sox fans say jason bay in the bostonian accent, huff wouldnt sound as good.

Anyone else looking forward to seeing San Diego play LA in Petco? Manny in that spacious left... he'll be begging to play again in the much smaller Fenway.

i cant wait to watch jason bay start putting dents in the monster, hes never been able to play 81 games at a place like the fens

I love the comment by jjyankeesfan2. I think everyone knows that if this trade didnt go through, he would call Manny a declining hitter and terrible fielder, and Hansen and Moss 2 terrible prospects.

If you remember, in the early 90's the Dodgers seemed to have a Rookie of the Year every year. Nowadays they rely on the free agent market and using their young players as chips. Whatever works for them I guess but that's not as exciting as watching players come up through the organization I think and not as effective. Even the Yankees have a strong group of homegrown players. Martin and Kemp are all I really see when I look and Kemp has trade rumors all around him yearly.

'All the people who trashed them for the Nady/Marte deal are probably backing off a bit now with the haul they got.'

Nope...pretty much just trashing them for the 'haul' they got here AND the Nady/Marte deal.

This is an enormous haul for the Pirates. Way to go Bucs!

This frees them to spend more on pitching in the offseason.

Insomniac, the Dodgers haven't been giving up any of their top prospects aside from this trade with LaRoche, and that's because they prefer DeWitt. Loney, Ethier, Martin, Kershaw, Broxton, Kemp... Far more than just Martin and Kemp, and Kemp isn't going anywhere.

Wow, this was a steal for LA. Would have acceptedted Ethier going (NOT KEMP) and they got both, and even showed their hand that LaRoche was on the block. Rediculously cool. 2 high draft picks after Manny walks? Awesome. As for the log-jam in the outfield... Andruw get DFA'd or could an Ethier trade be out there and unannounced?

Is anyone saying the Red Sox are paying the rest of Manny's 2008 salary? Some earlier reports said that, but not this one. If the Sox got out of paying that money (about $7m) then this deal looks a lot better for them.

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It'll be easier when you accept the fact you got fleeced.

seriously wtf are the yankees doing. they supposedly are doing what the red sox are and going with the youth movement but they trade 4 prospects(although crappy prospects) for older players, they sign richie sexson....really? richie sexson? ok sure and then they lose jorge which is a huge loss because your paying him an arm and a leg and getting nothing from him. plus you get older at catcher just when molina was getting in a groove and handling the pitchers like a pro

"Andruw get DFA'd or could an Ethier trade be out there and unannounced?"

Do you really think they DFA the money they owe him next year (which is actually less than one thinks, because they sunk a lot into the signing bonus) without seeing if Donnie and Pentland can fix his swing over the winter?

As for an Ethier trade, I sure as hell hope not. He may be quiet, but he is one of those guys like Carl Furillo or Paul O'Neil who do nothing but put up solid numbers and play excellent defense every year.

"i guess young will go down"

Young is out of options, so that is likely a no go.

I do wonder if they pull a Dontrelle with Jones and option him to Vegas with permission to get his swing fixed.

"kemp/pierre/jones chewing seeds on the bench
either/pierre"

I think Kemp will stay in the 1 or 2 slot for the rest of they year, as he has seemed comfortable there. Like I said, Ethier and Pierre probably platoon with Manny shifting between right and left.

BucSox...Oh I know you have new ownership. That wasn't my point. My point was that your ownerships opinion on overpaying for free agents still hasn't changed. They will continue to build from the draft and might actually begin to be competitive in 5 years. Your new ownership knows that. And that is why they won't pursue high-profile free agents like Sheets.

"I'm sorry if I wasnt clear- but my point is that Stankees fans criticize the Sox whenever they can, even when criticism is not due. Im sorry that your organization lacks direction, but you dont need to take your anger out on the Nation".

I don't even need comebacks with you dude...you're just making an idiot of yourself! LOL!!

Feel free to go onto the NY Daily News chatboard and see at least 456 comments per day from ignorant "Nation" fans that didn't even know your team existed until 2004...because, it really didn't. Your fans are known to be the rudest, most arrogant tools on the planet. So cry me a river that the big bad Yankees fans fight back. BoooHooo.

You're right too...13 straight trips to the playoffs...four rings in the last 12 years...and being the winningist sports franchise of ALL TIME is really tough to accomplish with "no direction". So is being only ONE game back from the very (cough cough) accomplished (aka - 2 rings in 90 YEARS!! LOL!!) Red SUX organization.

On that note, I have better things to do than argue with some jagoff on why losing a Red Sux legend will be a problem for your team. Good luck with Bay and that lusty .206 RISP avg!! Your team will be golfing in October...just like they did for about EIGHT DECADES.

"Way to go Dodgers! You just made Fenway far less scary for the Halos!!!" i guess you didnt watch the last series... it was like candy land for the angels

it's addition by subtraction.

. . . and to the earlier question of who will retire #24; the Sox will for Dewey, and Manny will where the B in Cooperstown/

jjyankeesfan2.
not one person remembers those 2 rings they remember losing in the 9th inning in the desert losing to a kid in the bronx.
and losing a 3-0 lead.
and yes redsox fans are rowdy i went to fenway and someguy made the mistake of wearing a orange boston cap. funny stuff

"Way to go Dodgers! You just made Fenway far less scary for the Halos!!!"

"i guess you didnt watch the last series... it was like candy land for the angels"

"dude the angels do not fear the east.."

Burtis has a point. Manny was pretty much the only one who could hit them. I am sure Frankie is happy to see him gone.

"It's the greatest rivalry in sports, if you're not aware, idiot."

Not even close. It has really only gained steam in the last 10 years or so. Dodgers/Midgets is the greatest rivalry in sports.

So Tim---
Webhit stats for the day?

well in the playoffs the angels will lose anyways but my point is manny didnt change their outlook on it

Where will the Dodger put Manny in there lineup???

They already have a soild outfield:

LF- Kepp
.295, 12 hr, 57 rbi, 26 sb
CF- Pierre
.279, 36 sb
RF- Either
.271, 11 hr, 46 rbi
(covert one into a shortstop) jk

Tough call of who sits.

"Dude, who do the Angels lose to in the playoffs? Redsox maybe?"

Thats was the past!
Doesn't that sound familiar?
Thats what all you sox fans say about the Yankees.

Oh wow, with this trade, a west coast baseball team can now appear in the first 15 minutes of Sportcenter.

I still think the pirates could have gotten more they had all the leaverage in the trade discussions because if they don't trade Bay the red sox are really hurting. Decent haul but they could've gotten more. They should've demanded Lowrie because now it seems that they will have a logjam in the outfield in a few years.
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I thought the Pirates didn't want outfield prospects.

Dodgers/Giants is a better rivalry than Sox/Yanks?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's not even worth responding to. It's just too stupid (and for the record, I'm not a fan of either the Red Sox OR the Yankees).

24, 42, 2, 4.
All retired numbers in LA.
So for the issues of other trivial unimportance, what other effects happen tonight or tomorrow? Dodgers have had a no facial hair rule until Sheffield came. Manny get the shears? Anybody care? Didn't think so... :D

"Dodgers/Giants is a better rivalry than Sox/Yanks?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Who said that???
We need to ban him like Guru.

You all remember him?

"Tough call of who sits.

Posted by: Sal from Tampa "

Juan Pierre is almost as bad at playing baseball, as you are at talking about it.

Sal,

'Pirates did very good. They have gotten 4 MLB ready players.'

Yeah, but isn't the point of dealing an impact player, to get back a younger potential impact player? I see a star leaving and a whole lot of mediocrity heading to the 'burgh.

It is a tough call who sits.
All of the Dodgers outfielders are playing well, except for Jones.

Don't be angry because you lost Manny.

"Dodgers/Giants is a better rivalry than Sox/Yanks?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's not even worth responding to. It's just too stupid (and for the record, I'm not a fan of either the Red Sox OR the Yankees)."

Well... technically Dodgers/Giants is an older rivalry than Red Sox/Yankees. Red Sox/Yankees is a lot more recent than people believe. Though to be honest, the rivalry between Dodgers/Giants true heyday was back when they were both in New York, you had the whole Manhattan versus Brooklyn thing going. But to be honest, the LA/SF rivalry is fairly intense, it just gets far less coverage than Red Sox/Yankees.

oh, and is it posible that bay will bat 3rd and ortiz will bat 4th? if not, who will bat 4th behind ortiz?

It's spelled Pittsburgh and I'm not tryin to be an ass but someone will say something stupid like you can't spell. Anyway I think Hanson will turn out to be pretty good I just think people were expecting him to be lights out don't forget this is his first full year he has time to develop. Ellsbury's numbers aren't spectacular but nobody is saying he sucks

"Juan Pierre is almost as bad at playing baseball, as you are at talking about it."

The thing about Pierre is the Dodgers knew EXACTLY what they were getting when they signed him and they got exactly that. A speedster contact hitter with a weak arm. But we all know that Andruw Jones will continue to be part of the everyday lineup besides putting up numbers that will go down this season as a war crime. So let's face it, odds are Jones will still be an everyday player with Manny in the lineup and Pierre and Ethier, two players absolutely superior to Jones right now will get the shaft. Torre needs to get a pair of brass ones, bench Jones and make sure Ethier plays everyday.

Huff would most definatly clear waivers but the O's won't trade him.