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SI.com's Jon Heyman believes Orioles closer George Sherrill might be off the market, as Andy MacPhail was not able to snag a quality young shortstop for him. Heyman believes Huston Street may be the only closer left on the market, if he even is.
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Just when you think the O's finally understand it ...
Moving Bedard was the FIRST piece - not the only piece - to a complete retooling. Flirting with 500 was the worst thing that could have happened to the O's. They still have 5 guys that could be moved for future pieces. Oh well.
Posted by: bjsguess | July 30, 2008 at 01:39 PM
Anything can happen before the deadline. However, I would not be suprised Dandy Andy could not pull off a trade with someone. He needs more time. Much more time to think....think....think...and tell them 'we'll see, I'll think about it'.
Posted by: studio179 | July 30, 2008 at 01:47 PM
This is off topic and everything, but are you planning on doing a chat or two tomorrow or today?
It seems like a chat would warrant lots of interest.
Posted by: IowaCubs | July 30, 2008 at 01:47 PM
I kind of hope that Sherrill gets moved now, just to once again show that Heyman has no clue what he is talking about.
Posted by: 7thinningstretch | July 30, 2008 at 01:47 PM
This is the reason why the O's have been dreadful for so long and will continue to be for years to come.
Keep hanging onto the old 3rd,1st and 2nd baseman.
While you're at it, keep your
15 middle relievers too!
Posted by: PhilaYankee | July 30, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Phila, that post busted me up!
Posted by: studio179 | July 30, 2008 at 01:52 PM
It isn't like Sherrill is a dominating closer. They are ignorant for not letting teams overpay for him. Have fun in the cellar for years.
Posted by: charlie | July 30, 2008 at 01:52 PM
Doesn't makes sense to me.
Sherrill could pull in a decent return. I guess they could wait until the offseason and use his statistics to spin a trade to a team that has some players off the book.
Meh, who knows...
Posted by: UGotRPK3113 | July 30, 2008 at 01:53 PM
Ok...what in God's name is Andy up to?! I defended him through the Roberts/Cubs non-deal because A)I didn't think the Cubs were offering enough (which seems correct, based on the names that were involved and BRob's season) and B)he'd done such a nice job with both the Tejada and Bedard deals. Nevertheless, I'm beginning to see what the Cubbie crazies were talking about with all that 'dragging his heels' talk. It may have worked out for the best in the Roberts talks, but now it's just getting annoying.
Charlie- You're wrong about Sherrill; dude is nails. His peripheral numbers aren't that great, but look at the stat that counts- he's converted 30 saves in 36 chances. For contrast, Papelbon's converted 30 of 34 and there aren't too many real baseball fans/pundits who don't consider Paps one of the top 2 or 3 relievers in the game (along with Rivera and KRod). That's really not a huge difference and no one is even saying Sherrill is in Paps' class. Still, he's a deserving All Star who comes up big when the chips are down.
Some guys just thrive under pressure and don't know what to do when they've got a big lead. Aside from a poor stretch right before the All Star break, that's been Sherrill's M.O. all year. He makes things 'interesting', no doubt, but with the game on the line, he's one of the few closers in the game that I'd trust.
Last night was a great example. Sherrill came in with a 4 run lead and proceeded to give up 3 runs before striking out the last two batters with a man on second. It kills his numbers, but he's a finisher and there was absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind, that the O's would pull it out.
Posted by: milehigh78 | July 30, 2008 at 02:21 PM
UGotRPK-
You make an interesting point in that there really isn't any rush to deal Sherrill, since the O's have him under cheap control for some time. If they think they can get more for him over the winter or next year, it makes sense...kind of.
I tend to agree with PhilaYankee though. This IS why the O's have been so bad for so long. Indecisiveness and short-sightedness. It's downright maddening as a fan and I can't defend the front office for such obviously obtuse vision.
Furthermore, bjsguess is spot on with his assessment... Bedard WAS just the first piece. Fans (and certain front office personnel) who think .500 is a worthy goal need to have their heads examined. This is the AL BEast, we're talking about. .500 doesn't even get you a pat on the back. It's fourth place...a familiar place.
There's a fine line between returning 'enough' value and stubbornly asking for the moon. If Rosenthal was right and McPhail rebuffed the Rays on Brignac, he deserves to be fired. Who cares if its in-division! Ditto with the Red Sox. If the offer is commensurate with Sherrill's inflated deadline value- a Brignac-type offer would certainly apply- you HAVE to take it. Something tells me McPhail pissed a few GMs off, tacking on extra prospects for the sake of quantity, instead of just finding one- shortstop or not- nice part to further the club's cause come 2010 or '11. This ____ is getting old.
Posted by: milehigh78 | July 30, 2008 at 02:34 PM
...but like 7thinningstretch said...Heyman is a d-bag, so maybe this is all just deadline hot air. Let's hope so
Posted by: milehigh78 | July 30, 2008 at 02:35 PM
After last night's horrible showcase effort, you can bet Sherrill's value dipped.
He's an overrated closer. In fact, he's an average middle reliever dressed up in a closer role. If a team wants to overpay for his high WHIP, and ERA, then you let them do it. The problem is GMs aren't mystified by his save total.
I'm not at all surprised that he hasn't been moved yet. He has had a very bad July. If he was traded now, I would have to believe they would be selling lower than before.
Posted by: Shane | July 30, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Think about this - at this point in the season, there are a few teams that are in the race.
These teams generally do NOT need a closer -
TB: Percival, Wheeler (if necessary)
Bos: Paplebon
NY: Rivera
Min: Nathan
CWS: Jenks (may be opening if injury gets worse?)
Det: Zumaya, Rodney, Jones (opening here - no prospects worthy of trade however)
Anh: K-Rod
Mets: Wagner
Phillies: Lidge
Marlins: Gregg (possible trade here)
Brewers: Torres (possible trade - unlikely to trade at this point)
Cubs: Wood, Smarjarza (sp?), Marmol
Cardinals: Izzy, Franklin
Dodgers: Broxton (possible trade)
DBack: Lyon, Pena, Rouch
Rockies: Fuentes
There really isn't much of a market for teams that need closers desperately. Not enough to warrant trading a top prospect.
If the Orioles wait until the winter - they have 30 teams at 0-0. Plenty of trade options will open and teams will have the financial openings to take him on (granted hes not expensive).
This bidding war will probably get them more than trading him now, honestly.
Posted by: UGotRPK3113 | July 30, 2008 at 03:15 PM
Shane,
You couldn't be any more wrong. Did you watch the game? I'm curious, because if you did, you saw precisely what I described above... When the chips were down and the Yanks had a man on second and one out, Sherrill buckled down and struck out the last two batters. He also got up for the ARod at bat and K'd him!
As I said, he's far too relaxed with a lead and it hurts his stats, but in clutch situations, the guy is nails.
The big stat from 'last night's horrible showcase effort': Save
As for his 'very bad July'... Let's see here, he's 4 for 5 in save opportunities for the month and before last night, hadn't given up a run- while converting three saves- in his previous five appearances, dating back to July 11.
Oh yeah, he also threw 2 and a third innings in the All Star game, getting a huge K with the bases loaded upon entering the game, then shutting the NL down for the next two innings- which I believe was the longest outing of any AL pitcher in the game.
Sherrill may make things interesting, but he gets the job done. I really wouldn't call that 'overrated' and I certainly think his performance qualifies him as a legitimate closer rather than, as you put it, 'a middle reliever dressed up in a closer.' (for that matter, how do you dress up IN a closer; did he cut open another closer and put him on like a suit?)
If you want to talk about a guy, how 'bout watching him pitch once in a while instead of spouting off at the mouth with empty stats.
Posted by: milehigh78 | July 30, 2008 at 04:17 PM
Also, UgotRPK-
You make an interesting point. However, the value of relievers, typically spikes at this time of the year. I think if you look back at trades involving 'pen pitchers, you'll find that the top returns usually come in deadline deals. I also think you oversimplify the need for RP help with your otherwise impressively comprehensive breakdown of contenders and their closers. Regardless of the role Sherrill would play, there isn't a team playing for a postseason berth that WOULDN'T prefer to bolster their bullpen; particularly in the lefty department. The question is cost. For many, the situation is not so dire as to relent to the admittedly high demands of sellers like Baltimore. For others, its a question to consider.
With less than a day left, we'll have our answer soon enough.
Posted by: milehigh78 | July 30, 2008 at 04:22 PM
I quite frankly do not understand why the Orioles would want to move him to begin with. He is not a free agent until 2012. Surely they hope to compete by then. Then again this is the Orioles we are talking about.
Posted by: Iron Nat | July 30, 2008 at 04:30 PM
milehigh78,
I watch every game as I live in Baltimore and I'm an O's.
Sure, he gets the job done. But how much of that is luck? How many times has he hung a slider, but yet gets away with it? He leaves far too many pitches up. With his stuff he cannot do that.
I'm not throwing empty stats at you. I watch every game and I see what's going on.
Like I said, he gets the great save number you speak so highly of. But if you're a world series team, would you want him pitching with people on and the game on the line? He would not be my first pick and that's what it comes down to.
Posted by: Shane | July 30, 2008 at 05:36 PM