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Stark's Latest: Burnett, Nady, Greinke, Burrell

FRIDAY: We have an update to Stark's column - he is now saying that Burnett does have veto power over 15 teams.

THURSDAY: Let's take a look at Jayson Stark's latest over at ESPN.com.

  • The Phillies and Yankees both made failed runs at CC Sabathia.  The Phils wouldn't include Carlos Carrasco or Lou Marson, while the Yanks insisted on a negotiating window.  The Phils are looking at Erik Bedard and A.J. Burnett by default, while neither of those pitchers makes sense for the Yankees.  The Yanks checked in on Aaron Harang, but that's a moot point since he's ailing.
  • Despite the Dodgers' run at Sabathia, they're apparently not looking at other starters.
  • Ken Rosenthal recently wrote that Burnett had veto power over 15 teams, but Stark's source says it's just a handful of teams.  It'll be tough to convince Burnett not to opt out of his contract after the season, unless he's hurt.
  • The Braves still haven't made the buy/sell decision.  If they buy, Xavier Nady is the top target.  If they sell, Mark Teixeira is the best chip.  Apparently Scott Boras is talking about $23MM per year for Tex this winter.
  • The Giants are pretty clearly not trading Matt Cain.
  • The Orioles, making a run at .500, don't seem motivated to move George Sherrill or othe top veterans.
  • The Brewers' Plan B beyond Sabathia was Zack Greinke, rather than Rich HardenKen Rosenthal recently said the Royals were "decidedly uninterested in moving Greinke," however.
  • Stark says it "wouldn't be out of the question" for the Cubs to pursue a lefthanded starter like Randy Wolf, despite the Harden acquisition.
  • Extension with the Phillies for Pat Burrell did not get very far.


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Tim could you give us your projected standings at the end of the year?

I cant give you that the Cubs will win the NLC by 9 games

$23MM for Tex? Even the Yankees wouldn't pay that. Boras must think it's the winter of 2000 again.

the cubs will not win the NLC by 9 games

To all those that throw Cain's name around in rumors remember this in recards to Cain:

"...we can't find a team that has gotten anywhere in its attempts to even get the Giants to discuss him. "I don't know who got that rumor rolling," said an official of one club. "But they told us, emphatically, no."

"Apparently Scott Boras is talking about $23MM per year for Tex this winter."

How many years does he want? I could see Teixeira getting Soriano's contract (8yr/$136M) but 8 years is pushing it.

glover28 werent you the same person that said cubs wont trade for harden? Thanks for your input, but your 0-1 in trying to tell the future!

I think the Cubs could win by 9 games easy.

Right now they are 4 games up. The Brewers have been closing the gap significantly over the past 30 days. They added the 2007 Cy Young Award winner and a starter who has had an ERA under 2 for about 3 months now.

Sounds like the Cubs are primed to widen their gap by more than double!

On a serious note - $23m is absolutely absurd. There is NO team that will even come close to that. Wait, what about the Yanks?

They did, after all, bid against themselves for A-Rod. No one was offering $20m and somehow they got him signed for $30m. Plus he got 7 years. Plus this is after he opted out in a very unprofessional manner.

Maybe the Yanks will go for Tex after all. I'm no longer amazed at anything that Boras does or says.

OK, yeah, you traded for the walking talking DL, how is he not going to get hurt.

First- Boras is living in a fantasy world; the problem is...he finds a way to draw GMs into it with him.

The Giants would be stupid to give up Cain. They've got the money to lure free agent hitters into what is a beautiful town and Cain and Lincecum are the foundation of the team's future; a one-two punch with the potential to be every bit as powerful as Webb-Haren. Rebuilding will take time, but down the road, when they add some of the kids: Bumgarner, Alderson, et al, they'll be the perfect mentors as former phenoms themselves.

See above for the Royals and Greinke...just dumb. Where do these things get started?

I hate to say it Cubs fans, but if Harden stays healthy, you may need a new past-time. Grousing about how long its been since you've won a World Series doesn't work when its been 100 days instead of 100 years. Whatever will you do?

Finally- my O's don't want to trade Sherrill because they want to go .500?! That's the saddest, most idiotic thing I've ever heard. I love the Birds, but can you think of anything that says 'loser' more than this? If they said, we want to change the culture of the team...OK. If they said they were waiting for Sherrill to turn it around after his recent funk (which may, indeed, be the real reason for not trading him at this point)...great. If they say, 'we really want to go .500, finish fourth again, and only miss the playoffs by 20 games this year,'...well, that's just pathetic. I will now slam my head in my car door until I forget what I just read. Ugh.

Teixeira won't make more than 16MM a year during the offseason unless he's playing in a very undesireable location, like Kansas City. There will be no bidding war for Teixeira though, because everyone has wised up to Boras' ploys and aside from the two LA teams desperately throwing stupid money at Hunter and Jones, there was nobody that didn't become a Yankee, who got more than 14MM a season this last year... Also for length go with about 5 seasons with a team option for two to three years... Something like a pick now and either buy the last three or opt out all together sort of like the Burnett contract, but reversed in that the team would hold the option... It's very common with the contracts being given to younger players like Baldelli had something like this... The day of the 100MM player is all but extint, every time a player has made that mark, except Manny and Alex, the team has had definite regret over the decision, just like Detroit is swallowing hard over Cabrera's pedestrian totals while making 168MM over 8 years or something like that...

Even for what Teixeira COULD POSSIBLY bring to the table, he still isn't an elite player, just a potential All-Star and even Jeter wouldn't get 20MM a season again if it wasn't for the first Alex contract back in the day... To get to 20MM, you have to be an absolute sure thing and Teixeira isn't... There are few players that warrant 18MM which seems to be the break off point for an exceptionally talented All-Star. I see Teixeira in the same category as Berkman, Carlos Lee, Soriano, Vlad Guerrero, Carlos Beltran, Konerko, Dye, these guys all made between 13-18MM a season in their most recent deals and none over 15MM since the Lee/Soriano deals of 2006/2007 off season. I think everyone is giving Boras too much credit... It's like Santana, sure he's a great pitcher, but he doesn't deviate from what he does and so he gets hit harder and harder each season... I'd bet that in three to four years, his velocity will be all but gone and his ERA will float around the 3.80-4.20 mark... I just don't see Santana as being worth more than 15MM a season especially considering both of his Cy Young seasons really weren't all that special...

One more thing, Teixeira also has no pedigree as he's never been on a playoff team which will hurt his dollar amount and also let's not forget that he's 30, so the chances of him producing at his current level for more than 4 seasons would be a surprise... So figure that this will be equated in all discussions... Any 6+ year contracts are only going towards players in the hope of buying out their option years and what it's done... shortened the contract length of the veterans as they are losing leverage, with more teams retaining their young players, more emphasis on building the minors, players are older when they enter free agency as they want the players to play during their prime years while still under team control, so they let them kick rocks around AA until they are 24-25 instead of bringing them up to the majors at 18-20 like Beltre, A-Rod, Grifey and players of the past... There are exceptions, but those are superior talents that can step into the spotlight and become an All-Star right away, like Grady Sizemore!

milehigh, they don't want to trade Sherrill because he has no value... He's got a 4.12 ERA as a closer and 4.72 when facing anyone but Seattle... Hmmm, sure is funny how pitchers play better against their old teams when they get to hear all the problems that the hitters have with hitting certain pitches...

Also a thing about closers that is lost on most people... A closer's ERA is lower than if he was a middle reliever because he's the last to pitch in the game... When a pitcher comes out of the game and the next pitcher takes over, everyone on here should know that the runners inhereted are the responsibility of the exiting pitcher meaning that if Sherrill comes in to close out a game with runners on first and second with 2 outs in the 9th with a one run lead... If he gives up a double then his ERA is uneffected and the last pitcher gets two runs... The only thing the closer gets is the loss. Also if he comes in to start the ninth inning of a tie game and loads the bases and gives up a double in the gap, it counts as a single, the one run goes against him and he gets the loss, but if that was any other inning, he'd have to eat TWO more earned runs to his ERA than just that runner at third base... So if your closer has a 4.12 ERA like Sherrill does, it's more like a 5.50-6.00 ERA for a middle reliever, good luck shopping that to teams in the hunt for a pennant!

I think if the orioles fall to far of contention, they should trade some of their veterans, their top two trading chips are sherrill and huff, most likely they won't trade sherrill, but i could see them trading huff away, maybe they can get something back that is half valueable, this is a far shot, but Tex did come from the baltimore area, if the o's trade huff, that opens up a spot for Tex. I dont know if the orioles want to pay a boris client top value, but it would certainly help their inconsistant lineup.

Once again, Guru, you demonstrate your limited understanding of the game and of players' values. It's pathetic to witness a fan's allegiance to his favorite team override logic or any sense of reality. In my post above, I raised the possibility that Sherrill had not yet been traded due to diminished value as a result of recent struggles (which the pitcher ascribed to a mechanical issue he believes he has corrected, demonstrated by his big K of Youklis in the O's one win over the Red Sox this week). While it may not please me, I accept this fact and can only hope for a reversal of fortune.

That being said, to describe him as having "no value," is simply false and another example of your blind unwillingness to admit even the slightest fault or failure on behalf of your precious Mariners.

A lefty closer who will be pitching in the All Star game this weekend, Sherrill is a commodity that would (will?) draw the interest of a number of teams, were McPhail so inclined. While I'll freely admit that Fuentes is, at present, the more desirable of the two, the number of teams seeking a southpaw reliever far outnumber the number of quality pitchers fitting that mold. Were you not so desperate to paint the Bedard deal as anything but the complete and utter failure of Bavasi and Co., you might open your eyes and realize this.

Get over it! We've all been the victims of a heist. The O's, for instance- in a deal that still haunts me to this day- once dealt promising young pitchers Curt Schilling and Pete Harnisch, AND a light hitting fella named Steve Finley, to the Astros for supreme bust Glenn Davis.

Since the Bedard deal, you've only made yourself look stupid by railing against Sherrill and Adam Jones, even as the former has become an All-Star and the AL's #2 in saves, and the latter has rebounded from a slow start, now hitting over .280 on the year while impressing virtually every coach, teammate, scout, and opponent with his professionalism, talent, and play. Furthermore, Chris Tillman has been dominant in Double A despite being the youngest pitcher at that level. If you're so desperate for positive spin, how 'bout this: Jones and Tillman are a testament to the Mariners' scouting and player development departments. There...happy?! To denigrate their efforts and achievements or those of Sherrill is just petty.

Even if you think Sherrill undeserving of his All Star position, it's ridiculous to claim he's been anything but a revelation in his first half-season as a closer. While the rules state that every team must have a representative on the All Star team, he still had to beat out notable candidates from his own squad: Brian Roberts, Nick Markakis, and Aubrey Huff, for instance, all have numbers that warrant consideration. Has Sherrill's stock- and ERA, as you noted- taken a hit? Sure. With the exception of maybe Mariano Rivera, every reliever goes through a rough patch now and again. Nevertheless, he has considerable value on the trade market which, if McPhail so deems it, will be demonstrated by the trade deadline. There's a reason his name comes up on this site so often, after all.

Everyone else: sorry I didn't give fair warning of my lengthy diatribe. If you're not an ignorant fool, a la Guru, you might think the points fairly obvious...and may wish to skip it.

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