Marlins Could Be Set For Another Fire Sale

Hole at 2B???? They have Jemile Weeks ADrian Cardenas, Mark Ellis, and Eric Patterson.

That's actually somewhere between sad and pathetic. The Marlins are simply the advanced farm team for the majors.

purple,

You do realize the Marlins have won 2 of the last 10 World Series and they did this twice and guess what they always come out fine and find themself right back in the playoff hunt.

Good, I would love to see "His name is Dan Uggla" in a Cards uni.

I cant believe this. If the Marlins hadn't won those two World Series, this team would be one huge freaking joke.
Now, on the other hand, it's tough to blame them for trying to move flawed free swingers like Jacobs and Uggla. If they could get good value for Uggla and then put Chris Coghlan in at second, that would be acceptable.

And with Johnson, Sanchez, Miller, Volstad, West, Tucker, and Sinkbeil, they could easily move Olsen.

The key to this fire sale will be determining the right guys to keep. I think guys like Uggla, Jacobs, Olsen and Gregg can be moved, but there's no way I move Ramirez, Hermida or any of the other young pitchers

It's pitiful having to watch this team constantly rebuild. Obviously the Marlins have had their bright spots, but really it's gotta be somewhat brutal to be a Marlins fan.

They could move Mike Jacobs, too. If they could aquire a good lefty reliever to replace Arthur Rhodes, I would do it. They could either call up Gaby Sanchez to play first base, or they could move Jorge Cantu to first base, Uggla to third base, and call up Chris Coghlan. I lean toward the latter because it improves their defense at third base, first base, and second base. They might be a better team without Jacobs. Keep Uggla, he is big for them. Keep Willingham and Hermida.

look foir the brewers to go after dan uggla to fill rickie weeks' position and also trade prince along with weeks maybe to the giants for a matt cain type deal - and also expect cc to resign with the brew crew he loves milwaukee and he also thinks this team is heading in the right direction with the 4th best record in the majors playing hot and we r really young

a firesale? why? they're 3.5 games out of first place and over .500.

"a firesale? why? they're 3.5 games out of first place and over .500."

read again. it says in the "off-season"

"If their plan is to gut the team every 2 or 3 years I'll bet almost any amount of money that they won't even reach the world series."

Thats why they have won 2 world series in the past 10 years. The Marlins need to trade Uggla, Jacobs, Ross, Gregg. All 3 hitters are free swingers and Gregg will be a decent reliever for any other team. The 3 things they need is a 3B, Catcher, and RPs.

So trade Olsen to the Rangers for whatever Catching prospect and a pitching prospect.

Trade Uggla to Dodgers for someone like Blake DeWitt and maybe Joe Beimel?

I would say trade Gregg to the Rays for a SP prospect.

Then like Ross and Jacobs so some West Coast team like the Mariners or Giants.

Sorry everyone for the rant... it was a lot longer than i thought it would be.

"Sorry everyone for the rant... it was a lot longer than i thought it would be."

Actually that was less of a rant and more of a statement of facts. The rants on here usually degenerate to petty name calling and opinion. You brought up interesting points and facts that I hadn't really considered. Though I have to wonder now if the cold hard truth is exactly as luissojo says. The Marlins just don't draw in the fans and baseball would be wise to move the Marlins.

I like that whenever the Marlins trade players, it's a "firesale" and not "smart mangagment".

1997 was a filesale. 2006 was a firesale. There's no denying those two. But trading Miguel Cabrera was not a firesale. Trades that will come this offseason are not a firesale.

How exactly is it a firesale, seriously? We have both Maybin and Raynor ready in the minor leagues (OF), we have Coughlan ready (2B), we have both Dallas and Gaby Sanchez (1B/3B), we have a ton of SP and RP. And yet trading players to make the organization better is a firesale. Stupid.

Purple, what market is larger than Miami that is open to supporting a baseball team?

So, remove a team from the 7th largest Metropolitan area with over 5 million people, to an area 46th on the list, with just over 1.1 million people?

effort = enough

Sorry I suck at typing.

Airman, I'm all for revenue sharing and parity, assuming teams can act in good faith and that small market teams can be viable long term.
Unfortunately, the Marlins cannot remain competitive for for than 2 years at a time. Trading Jacobs is not a big deal, but trading Olsen or Johnson or Uggla is another sign that the Florida experiment has failed. As for the idea that the new stadium will solve all of their problems, it might make ownership LESS incentive to put a winning product on the field. That is, the owner will taste some profits and rather keep it than put that money into the team. That's why we need a salary floor in baseball. If a team cannot meet that floor, then the owner should sell or the team should be contracted. As we know the baseball anti-trust laws make it difficult for a team to pick up and move (otherwise we would have seen several teams try out cities in the Southeast or Northwest on a trial basis, much like the NBA has seen this decade).

I say contract the A's and Fish. The dispersal draft would make the league so much stronger.

Finally, Buffalo is a great city, but thousands of jobs have been cut the past couple of years. The local economy is really struggling and people are leaving the area. The city needs to concentrate on keeping the Bills before they consider getting a baseball team.

probably depends on a few things...as far as in the downtown area with the rest of sports, it could only go in a couple of places. If they did get a team, they would likely have to either move the indians or ship them out of town, and then they would have to rebuild at the current site of the indians. The other possibility is the current site of the RCA dome. I don't know what will be the intended use of it. Although, even if they could use that site, that would leave the problem of the indians because I can't imagine that they would carry both a ML franchise and a AAA team in the downtown area.

The Colts sell 50-150 dollar tickets to 75,000 fans and the track sells 75-400 dollar tickets to 300,000 fans for both races. and your comparison of minor league tickets is a more accurate look of what the marlins have been doing...not 15-35 to 40,000...so it doesn't take Cleveland/St. Louis ticket sales to beat the marlins numbers...

Coltholt, I had not thought of Indy. It is a possibility, but still is no where near the size of Miami. As for the network thing, FSN is owned by Fox, not the teams, thats the difference, its not coverage but ownership that helps the teams make a profit (NESN/YES owned by RED Sox/Yankees. Also there is a large difference in selling out a 8-10 games and selling out 81.

luissojo trust me we all want to see an owner actually spend their own money, but it never happens. There is no place in the country they could move and have the population base they have in South Florida, what the need to do get a TV they could make money from, and the get a new stadium, and they should be fine.

it probably ranges near the top of the 15-35 in most areas. The tickets in NY, BOS, and CHI range significantly higher, but otherwise you can get decent priced tickets...cincy would be a similar market to indy and i just got an OF reserved seat for 19 bucks

It also doesn't help that public transportation to the Dolphins stadium is limited, not to mention that's very humid and it rains a little bit each day.

I hate the term "fire sale". In Oakland and Minnesota they are praised for it. The Marlins on the other hand are hammered for re-tooling. The fact is, they have won two of the last ten World Series and they rebuild better than any team in baseball. Of course its a shame to every Marlins fan that this has to go on. I'd love to have a rotation with Beckett, Burnett and Penny still in it. I'd love to have a couple of sluggers and a solid catcher like Pudge Rodriguez. But that's what we as Marlins fans have to cope with. It is impossible to expect huge crowds during the summer months. The heat is unbearible and weather too unpredictable and I go to quite a few games. If the Marlins can get this stadium up and running by 2011 (barring delays) than hopefully we will never be having this discussion ever again.

"The Colts sell 50-150 dollar tickets to 75,000 fans and the track sells 75-400 dollar tickets to 300,000 fans for both races."

That is because there are only 8 football games and only 2 races.

any city (outside of Phoenix) can sell out an NFL game.

a baseball season is 81 home games long. That is a dedication that a lot of cities can't handle.

I think the thing people need to realize is that Florida is simply NOT baseball country. It's football country, between Miami, Florida and FSU and the Dolphins.

Now obviously just because they love football doesn't mean nobody likes baseball. But this is a team that has won two World Series and essentially contends basically any time they aren't selling away every expensive player they have.

Now, maybe if the Marlins kept their stars, they'd have more fans. But then again isn't the point of spending money to win? Because clearly winning didn't/hasn't brought more fans to the ballpark

I live in South Florida,and am a Marlins fan. I go to as many games as I can but the heat and humidity is brutal. I stop going to games come June. Because any time after that the game in not enjoyable when you have to peel your ass off an orange plastic chair. If we do get the stadium with a retractable roof, I along with a lot of people I know would go to a lot more games.