Molony's Latest: Fuentes, Red Sox, White Sox

Could it be interest in Josh Fogg ?

I hope it isn't interest in Fogg. The Reds need him as a starter so they can find wiggle room as the young pitchers move closer and closer to maxing out their innings pitched.

Trust me Prog, you dont want Crisp. If you want any outfielder it would be Ellsbury. He is 1 million times better!

yeah, but you cant have ellsbury, thats been very much established.

Beckett just hit the DL, the scouting would be for a starter

LOL. I'd definately prefer ellbury, but I know the unlikely hood of that. I'd take Crisp, especially if the moneybags in Sox ownership would pay some of his salary. I'd still want a good pitching prospect on top of it.

For Ellsbury instead of Coco I'd throw in someone like Seth Smith or Jeff Baker.

It depends. I think with Crisp in center we'd look pretty good. It would also protect a little bit if Holliday left.

I'd be comfortable with an outfield of either Holliday, Spilborghs, Hawpe OR Spilly, Coco, Hawpe.

Admittedly I haven't followed Coco as closely since he left Cleveland, but I really liked his game then. If he could bring that kind of aggressiveness to the leadoff position on the Rox I think that might look really nice.

"Neither would be eligible to be on the postseason roster, making them kind of worthless for a contender that is almost certainly making the playoffs already."

Actually teams have until this Monday to claim a player and have him be eligible for the postseason roster, so actually, in all reality, Fuentes is worth more than that because he can be a deciding factor between a World Series contender and a World Series winner. If you actually had all your information correct you would have known that.

“Actually teams have until this Monday to claim a player and have him be eligible for the postseason roster, so actually, in all reality, Fuentes is worth more than that because he can be a deciding factor between a World Series contender and a World Series winner. If you actually had all your information correct you would have known that.”

…Actually, Fuentes will not clear waivers by the 1st so he would not be able to be traded in time to make the postseason roster. That information can be found here:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8496042/Rockies-won't-be-able-to-deal-Fuentes-by-deadline?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49 (IE, the Link Tim provided in the original post)
Specifically, it says:
“If the Rockies want to trade closer Brian Fuentes, it will not be possible for them to do it before the September 1 deadline for setting postseason rosters.”

Now, since Fuentes can not be put back on waivers until Friday, the deadline being Sunday and the waiver a 3 day process; it is impossible for Boston to make a claim and deal before the deadline ~ other teams have up until Monday to place a claim and all but one or two teams will have a better waiver priority than the RedSox do.

Yes, its doubtful they will trade him ~ but it would be stupid to pass up a package of Crisp + “decent pitching prospect” for a player they most likely lose and can easily replace from within anyway. They really screwed up when they didn’t trade him (and others) at the deadline though, and screwed up again by waiting till the last minute to put anyone on waivers.

And they currently look like they might stand a slight chance of sneaking into the postseason solely because Arz is on a losing streak at the same time they managed to win a couple. But no, they wont win the division, and actually have a much, much, much better chance of finishing 4th than 1st ~ Playing for this year is just asinine, when youre behind 2 stronger teams, sit more than 6 games back and are 9 games under .500 overall its time to think about 2009.

But how often do teams win 20 of their last 21? How often does the same team do it 2 years in a row? If the Rox made this year's trade deadline decisions based on last season's improbable run, they are indeed asinine.

Huh? You seriously think they will just go on some win streak and the D-Backs AND Dodgers will start losing enough games to let them sneak in? Wow…

What you apparently fail to grasp is this that last year the team was already good and just played farther above their head down the stretch; this time they suck and you want them to somehow become good? Last year they didn’t even win the division, they ended up tied for the WildCard. And at this time last year, this is what the NL-West standings looked like:

SDP ~ 74-60 (.552)
ARZ ~ 75-61 (.551)
LAD ~ 70-64 (.522)
COL ~ 69-65 (.515)
SFG ~ 62-73 (.459)

…You can see, that’s 5 games out and 4 games above .500. What happened is they go 21-8 (.724) while SD goes 15-14 (.517) just to make up 5 games and Tie for the WC! If they want to make up the 6 they currently sit at, they will need to go on a similar .725-ish W% run, while Arz AND LA both play about 500-ish ball. Its statistically less than a 10% chance here ~ it isnt going to happen…

Yeah, your point = “I think he can be great because I want him to be great”
My point = “you cant be great when you don’t have anything resembling actual talent”

…but I guess it’s the difference between a rah-rah team fan and a realistic mind…

"You want to know what the difference between us is... Yor a stats guy with all your 10%, scouting reports, etc. and Im a reality guy. Maybe you never played baseball so you dont understand the nature of the game and what the players go through but I am, Ive played ball all my life so I understand the "reality" aspect. That's why well never agree!"

Aha! Excellent!

"PERIOD. END OF STORY!"

Ah, c'mon guys, keep the battle going!!!

P.S. The Rox are done for the year. Even if they were to win their division, there's no way in hell they would be able to get past possible competitors like the Cubs, Brewers, Mets, Phillies, etc. in the Playoffs. Plan for next year, Rockies.