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THURSDAY: Tony Massarotti of the Boston Herald heard that the Indians will not receive a player in return for Byrd. The Indians made the deal because the Red Sox were the only team willing to take on the full $2MM+ owed to Byrd.
TUESDAY: According to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, the Red Sox acquired starter Paul Byrd today for a player to be named later or cash. Byrd, 37, has a 4.53 ERA in 131 innings this year. He relies on pinpoint control and has strung together five solid starts. Many are asking why the Yankees passed on him.
Byrd had cleared waivers on account of his $7.5MM salary. He's still owed over $2MM; no word on whether the Red Sox will pay all of it.
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Credit goes to that guy in the chat, haha.
Posted by: fitz | August 12, 2008 at 02:55 PM
A PTBNL, could be someone on the 40 man roster that couldn't clear waivers, correct?
Are these rules to the PTBNL? Could it be any player?
Could I be a team that doesn't care to add anything this year, such as Cleveland, trade a player that has cleared waivers for something of value (everyday MLB player perhaps) that cannot, so that I have them for next year?
Posted by: WhiteSoxFan | August 12, 2008 at 03:00 PM
Thats a pretty big downgrade from Wake. I would just assume go with Zink and some of the other AAA pitchers. At least the league hasn't seen them three thousand times.
Posted by: Mr_Punch | August 12, 2008 at 03:21 PM
It was HGH, not steroids.
Posted by: MickS | August 12, 2008 at 03:21 PM
Byrd has been brilliant in his last 4 starts.
Posted by: MickS | August 12, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Nice, pitching depth is always nice. Buck has been struggling and Wake is hurt, so this was definitely a helpfl move. Nice job, Theo!
Posted by: Bosox4416 | August 12, 2008 at 03:23 PM
Hmmm ... wonder why the White Sox passed on this one at clearance price.
Posted by: OmegaMan | August 12, 2008 at 03:32 PM
Seems extraordinarily unnecessary.
The Sox have pitching depth. Zink (who starts today) and Pauley are both 13-4 in AAA. Colon's coming back. That's enough depth to get into September. Beyond that there are options who can start a game if needed which include Hansack, Bowden, or Masterson (if needed).
I fail to see the point or value in this deal.
Posted by: Aaron | August 12, 2008 at 03:32 PM
They probably got him to replace Buckholz in the rotation. I see Zink making some spot starts while Wake is out.
Questions is, why didn't the Yankees pick him up?
Posted by: nocode | August 12, 2008 at 03:35 PM
The value to this deal is the Indians just got a whole lot of something for nothing!
Given Byrd's recent string of respectable starts and the rash of injuries to pitchers on contending teams, you figured someone would pick him up to eat a few innings.
At worst, the Indians clear 2 Million off the books and get some more cash later. At best they get some sort of prospect who has value to the team next year and beyond (as Byrd was not going to be resigned).
Great trade by Shapiro in finding anyone to take Byrd and pay something for him!
Posted by: max power | August 12, 2008 at 03:38 PM
Yankees have officially conceded.
Posted by: MickS | August 12, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Yes, the Yankees have conceded because picking up Paul Byrd would have solved their pitching woes. Uh huh.
At any rate, if this means the Yankees have indeed conceded, then the Bosox losing out in the wild card to them would have to go down as one of the most embarassing moments in the history of sports. So, they'd better not. I can live with that.
Posted by: AndrewYF | August 12, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Forget Byrd. The Yankees haven't done squat to improve themselves because they know that the team is old and over-matched. They'll just try to buy themselves a championship next year.
Posted by: MickS | August 12, 2008 at 03:56 PM
What really befuddles me is why the White Sox didn't pick up Paul Byrd. Still, nice job by Shapiro and nice pickup by the BoSox.
Time is running out on dumping Jarrod Washburn. Lee, get to it. The M's have a guy who can do everything Wash can do at league minimum in RR-S and maybe even Feirabend. Silva and Batista are worthless and the M's are stuck with them. The M's probably won't be contending in '09.
Posted by: melonis rex | August 12, 2008 at 04:01 PM
It makes more sense then Garcia did, although its still a shock. Atleast you know what youll be getting, when you could be getting anything from Garcia, who knows what he will be like.
bottom line, solid trade, getting a vet arm for almost nothing and if worst comes to worst, our long relief problems are now solved for peanuts
Posted by: 04Forever | August 12, 2008 at 04:02 PM
I don't understand why the Yankees wouldn't take a shot either.
From a Yankee fan.
Posted by: bobo | August 12, 2008 at 04:12 PM
If Byrd is the same pitcher he's been in his last four starts, bravo Theo for picking him up. If he's the pitcher prior to his last four starts, then we have an issue.
I still think it's a decent move. Acquiring a veteran pitcher to help push for a playoff spot. With Wakefield on the DL, Schilling hasn't pitched all season, and Colon's rehab taking longer than expected, why not?? He's a rental. I don't think we'll be seeing a repeat of the Gagne travesty. Byrd is a career 4.37 pitcher. Can't do any more damage than Clay has in his last few starts...
And to those of you who think we need bullpen help, who says Byrd wouldn't mind being in the pen for the last month of the season when Wake comes back?
Posted by: bamabosoxfan | August 12, 2008 at 04:40 PM
Solid insurance move by the Red Sox, but I'm surprised so many other teams didn't give up more. The Mets, White Sox, and Yankees all made more sense than the Red Sox. That leads me to believe that the PTBNL is pretty good and not just a nobody, because the above 3 teams could've offered more than a nobody. Do the Yankees really believe that one of Ian Kennedy, Sidney Ponson, or Darrel Rasner would be better. Byrd would instantly become their 3rd starter. The White Sox would rather give the 5th starter job to Lance Broadway or D.J. Carrasco than the veteran Paul Byrd. The Mets would rather give it to nobody prospect Brian Stokes. All of these teams should've put a claim in on Jarrod Washburn, other than the White Sox becasue they'll have Contreras coming back. The Indians must've made out big in this trade by getting a solid piece for '09.
Posted by: Joe | August 12, 2008 at 04:53 PM
It will be a salary dump. The Indians won't be getting anything of value back.
Good move on both sides.
Posted by: bjsguess | August 12, 2008 at 05:16 PM
"At any rate, if this means the Yankees have indeed conceded, then the Bosox losing out in the wild card to them would have to go down as one of the most embarassing moments in the history of sports. So, they'd better not. I can live with that."
Almost as embarrassing as losing 4 straight ALCS games?
Posted by: Meoveryouok | August 12, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Pretty nice move for the Red Sox. Not that significant, but nice nonetheless.
Posted by: TheMainEvent | August 12, 2008 at 07:40 PM
“It will be a salary dump. The Indians won't be getting anything of value back.
Good move on both sides.”
…This is correct ~ on both counts…
RotoTimes is saying it’s a “PTBNL *or* cash”. Cleveland might not get anything more than money from the move... That said, the free Reyes we were handed 2 weeks ago means we have someone else to fill the roster spot and Byrd was nothing more than a guy taking a roster spot away from someone else for no reason. Paul didn’t do well enough to create interest, and there is nothing you can do about that. Trading him for anything is still better than using him up until he walks and taking starts away Reyes or Laffey the rest of the year. Its not like it matters is we win or not at this point, so no loss even if we don’t get anything in return…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | August 12, 2008 at 08:05 PM
The Yankees have NOT conceded. As crazy as it sounds (and to type this), Byrd is NOT better than Ponson whom has pitched relatively well for the Yanks except for his one start in Boston on a Sunday night. Now, obviously, Byrd is better than Kennedy-Rasner-Igawa-Wade Taylor-Dave LaPoint-everyone else who's taken a turn in the 5th spot this season...
However, Phil Hughes and Carl Pavano (I just barfed in my mouth) are on the way. It makes more sense for the Yankees to at least give Hughes a chance to develop at the major league level so 2009 isn't his Rookie Year Part III.
Posted by: luissojo | August 12, 2008 at 08:53 PM
I'm not surprised the Yankees passed on him. They know their bullpen would just blow it anyway.
Posted by: SierraM | August 12, 2008 at 10:20 PM
any word on who the player to be named later is?
Posted by: kingfelix93 | August 13, 2008 at 02:22 AM
Funny that everybody says the Yankees are "buying" they're champions. Last time I checked they're bullpen and half they're rotation look like a AAA roster. If it werent for the fact that we had all these injuries we would be on top of the division. Losin wang and Chamberlin was like loosin Lester and Beckett for the Redsox. But is that happened it would be national hysteria. Lets see, they oose they're everyday cathcer in Posada, and loose Masui, who was hitting .320 this season. But there are still 7 weeks left in the season and the Yanks are only 5 games back.
Posted by: yankfan1 | August 13, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Yankfan1: i was going to avoid reading any other posts and just focus on this decent move by the sox but are you out of your #@%#$@^ mind? what is it at 260 million? Now they are going to chase CC and Teix in the offseason (we know thats true). Besides that, what kind of contracts do you think guys like Joba Chaimberlain and Phil Hughes are going to command? The Sox are dumping space for guys like Lester, Youk, Pedroia, Ellsbury ect. Even if the yanks drop all of Giambi, Abreau, moose, pavano, and pettite, They are still the highest paying roster in baseball! Chances are abreau will see another deal, as will pettite and maybe even moose. Giambi 20 mil drops and pavano 10 mil drops. Thats 255 or whatever down to 225. WOW! HUGE DROP. especially if they sign Teix OR sabathia let alone the possibility of both.
do some research before posting next time. please.
Now for the byrd signing. I think they went a little overboard especially considering you really only use 3-4 max pitchers in the playoffs, and i agree they could use their AAA guys to fill these spots.
But look at it from another angle. Buchholz is struggling, Wake's on the DL, the bullpen (especially okajima with inherited runners) is struggling a bit.
WHY NOT? if the moneys there, they drop some salary for next year knowing they are not signing manny, why not sign a guy who can eat some innings. Buchholz has been AWFUL all year at the majors level. Lets face the facts, he's either not ready yet, or like I have thought all along about ian kennedy, doesn't have the stuff to make it at the majors. Now i think buchholz is a whole lot better than kennedy but his jerky delivery is going to cause alot of location problems and he's learning that. John Farrell could use another year to fine tune that delivery and get him back on track to being the dominant starter that the sox think he is capable of.
So i dont think they are thinking why, but why not.
As far as this being a sign the yankees are throwing in the towel... i'm not sure i'd go there just yet. they have 6 more games vs boston and 6 more vs rays with no crawford and maybe no longoria depending on if he's healthy sept 1st as they are expecting. If the yankees drop to 10 back (they are losing today so thats not far off as that would be 9 if rays win), then i'd say the seaons over. But two quick series wins 2-1 2-1 and they are right back in the wild card and two series sweeps, and they are right back in the fight to win the division. So yes even as a sox fan i say AL east needs to watch its back.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | August 13, 2008 at 03:50 PM
The Yankees are in a terrible situation right now. That said I think they can slip into the wild card slot if the Rays start to slip and the Red Sox psss them. It'll be a fun couple of months.
P.S. on an unrelated note I want to give Joe Maddon some massive props on the job he has done this year. The Rays look like the Angels Part II.
Posted by: yankees2727 | August 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM
The Rays are not slowing down. The Yankees are 9 back. That's the smae amount as the Astros for the Wild Card. That's more games back than the Rangers and Blue Jays are out of the Wild Card. Face it Yankee fans: You will not catch the Rays. There is a slight chance you catch the Red Sox, but they are just a better team than the Yanks. I know they have been injured all year and have stayed in the race, but many of the injured guys are put for the season. (e.g. Wang, Matsui, Posada) The guys you are getting back are just slight improvements over Kennedy and Rasner. Hughes has been terrible this year, and Pavano is always hurt. I would be shoked if he didn't get hurt before the season ended, after he comes back. So face it, baring some huge losing streak by the Red Sox, the Yankees are done. (They might still be even if the Red Sox start slipping because the White Sox and Twins are both better teams than them)
Posted by: Joe | August 14, 2008 at 11:02 AM
nice move... my astros are still in the thick of things and could have used him imagine a rotation of!!!! wolf and byrd!!!! lol
Posted by: BaseballFanatic40 | August 14, 2008 at 04:08 PM