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Mets To Unload Castillo?

A common question in MLBTR chats: will the Mets attempt to unload Luis Castillo's contract this winter? According to David Lennon of Newsday, the Mets and Castillo are "heading for a divorce when this season is over."  Castillo was upset to see rookie Argenis Reyes starting at second base.

Omar Minaya signed Castillo to a four-year, $25MM contract in November of last year.  The Mets flirted with David Eckstein that winter, but balked at his demands.  Eckstein eventually signed with the Blue Jays for one year and $4.5MM.

Castillo, 33, is hitting .252/.351/.316 in 335 plate appearances this year.  His production is about what the Mets should've expected.  Castillo has dealt with knee soreness, a strained quad, and a strained hip flexor this year, limiting his availability.

The Mets are willing to eat some of the $18MM Castillo has coming over the next three years.  Even if they eat half, though, the term remains a problem.  The free agent market includes comparable players in Ray Durham and Mark Grudzielanek, who will probably land one-year deals in the $3-4MM range.


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According to ESPN, he hits the ball on the ground 69.2%...and he's only losing steps as the years pass.

Sabean must be Omar's idol.

I still think they can get a bench useful player if they trade Heilman + Castillo and eat 2m per year. Any thoughts?

"Sabean must be Omar's idol."

Uh, no. Sabean is at least one of the top 3 worst GMs in baseball. Minaya is no where near that bad.

vik-

Who wants Heilman?

TruDru22:

Agree. Castillo is garbage. Should've taken the picks.

It was a terrible signing and everyone but Omar saw it coming. What team could possibly want him?

I bet a lot of teams would take Heilman. Since when is Luis Castillo a cancer? A guy past his prime with absolutely shot knees, yeah, sure, a clubhouse cancer? Really?

With all due respect TruDru22, worst signing of all time? Hello! Barry Zito, Carl Pavano (Although Mainly due to Injuries), ect? Castillo doesn't even make the Top 10 of all-time worst contracts because of the modest nature of it. Hell, he wasn't even the worst signing of last off-season thanks to Carlos Silva.

And the idea that Jose Reyes or anybody on the Mets plays worse because of Castillo's 'presence' is insane. Sorry, but it's simply the most ridiculous theory I've ever read (And sadly, I've had the pleasure of reading it quite often). It's amazing how they went 10-4 on his first 14 days off the disabled list, yet they lose 4 of 5 and it's all of a sudden blame Castillo, despite him not even playing in 2 of those losses, and reaching base 3 times in the other 2 games they lost.

Don't get me wrong, Castillo has played awful, but he's hardly a dent in why this team has stopped performing. The bullpen sucks, and the Best 4 bats picked the worst possible time to go into a collective funk, but none of which has anything to do with Castillo.

This Offseason they should look to get rid of him, and upgrade at 2B (With Daniel Murphy), it just makes sense for the Mets to find someone willing to take him on for 3 million a year, and only ask for some A ball nobody in return (In exchange).

The worst move the Mets could take is Orlando Hudson though. You have a problem with signing a 32 year old with declining range and coming off an injury for a 4 year deal, yet have no problem signing a to-be 31 year old with declining range and coming off an injury for a 4-5 year deal (I know, not a knee injury, but wrist injuries have a long history of sapping players power). It's likely to end the same exact way with the team that takes him on desperate to get rid of him after a year.

I think Heilman would have quite an interest if the Mets make him available, a pitcher with a 3 ERA in 3 of the last 4 seasons, coming off a poor year despite absolutely no noticeable decline in stuff? That's the kind of pitcher teams take chances on all the time.

Nevermind that quite a few teams still see him as a potential starter.

Obviously you would be selling him on maybe 50 cents on the dollar with the season he is coming off of, but he most certainly has value.

Venom, I think you nailed it on both of your posts. Everything you said about Castillo is spot on. We know it was a bad signing but this is the last thing making the Mets a bad team over the course of the last week, or what made them so bad for the first 2 months. It is just absurd. You also are spot on when you mention Orlando Hudson. I was just making a similar post when I saw yours. The guy is only a year or 2 younger then Luis, and is coming off back to back season ending injuries. Albeit, they were more of the flukey variety, but still, they were serious injuries and they could easily have a negative effect on him moving forward. There is also the fact that even a flukey injury will probably greaten the percentages that you re-injur the same part of your body again. There is also the fact that Hudson has played his whole career in Toronto/ Arizona, 2 indoor parks that are great for hitting in. There is no way to tell whether his bat would translate to a colder, larger, park in Citi Field. Though I guess none of us really no how the park will play until we see it, it seems that it will play similar to Shea when the roof is open, and who knows how when the roof is closed. Just seems like a lot to gamble on, especially for a guy who is so pissed off at a similar gamble taken on Luis Castillo.

And as for Heilman, I still say that with all the questionmarks for 09's rotation, they atleast give him a shot to win a starting job. It was Peterson and Willie who were against Heilman starting, not Dan Wharthen and Jeryy Manuel, which I think we must remember. Jerry and Dan have also done a number of things that the old regime would not have considered. Heilmans value is low right now, so no reason to trade him. But you also don't want to have him in the bullpen in 09 for fear of a repeat performance of 08. We know Aaron would prefer to start, and we know that any pitching you want to pick up off of the free agent list will be very pricy, that is if you want anybody any good. Heilman could be a potential cheap solution to this problem, filling a rotation spot for crumbs. Maybe that is even the money that they save that allows them to make a move on K-Rod, who you all seem to find a necessity. And if it doesn't work out, you can send Heilman down to the minors and let him work on starting again.

Again, to me, he seems like a good candidate to be in the back end of our rotation next year. He is durable, he would be looking to prove himself for a potential payday, he strikes out a lot of guys, and he would have less pressure on him as a starter, where one bad pitch won't ruin his night and lead to a chorus of boo's as he exits the mound. People always think of a change of scenery as moving teams, but how about moving positions, to a spot where Heilman has wanted to be his whole career? Better to take a shot and see what you get then to trade him for nothing after one bad year that appears like an abberation, after he was a very good reliever for 3 years.

I'm not opposed to starting Heilman, but I think it's an extremely risky proposal to ask him to be anything more then a #5 starter and I would rather see that chance go to someone like Jonathon Niese.

But with that said, it's rare to see only 5 starters be used during the course of a season, so perhaps it's better to keep Niese in AAA for depth, for when either Heilman gets bumped due to suckitude, or someone gets hurt.

How exactly is this going to work out. I wouldn't take this guy unless you gave me him for free.

Exactly. Let Heilman try out for the 5th starters job, with Niese starting in AAA, and at some point you will need a 6th, 7th and maybe even 8th starter for an extended period of time. If by some chance Heilman succeeds and the Mets also stay injury free all of 09 in the rotation, then that is a good problem to have. It allows you to either trade Heilman or one of the other starters in before 2010, or by that time Jon Niese could have built his value up to one of the top pitching prospects. Who knows.

Hey i love this rumor accept the part added on the end about signing free angents, the mets have a potentially solid second basemen in Daniel Murphy and im sure they mets would look at him before signing a free agent.

Omar Minaya is only where he is because of money. If he were on a small budget team, i.e the expos, he'd blow. Sorry, he DOES blow.

I think the biggest issue with the Castillo is contract is this: Who the hell was Omar Minaya bidding against? Why did it take 4/25?

He signed Castillo to his contract far too early, before the market had been set. He ended up vastly overpaying for one of his own players, a guy who is CLEARLY on the decline.

And I like the idea of giving Heilman another shot in the rotation. The downside isn't very large if you pen him in as the #5 starter, and with his stuff he could easily outperform that. Now he could easily bomb, but then again this isn't a team that's loaded with pitching. I'll third the idea of starting Heilman in the 5 spot and Niese in AAA, ready to take over in the rotation if Heilman bombs or there is an injury.

"Omar Minaya is only where he is because of money. If he were on a small budget team, i.e the expos, he'd blow. Sorry, he DOES blow."

He still got Johan Santana for what appears to be very little. He's still got that to hang his hat on. Just sayin..

That's really a misconception with Minaya, in that most of his best moves have been either trades and cheap FA signings that anybody could have made.

Santana, Maine, Perez, Duaner Sanchez, Delgado, El Duque, Church and Schneider (Among Others, but I'm sticking with the current roster here) were all acquired through trades, most of which were favorable ones.

Fernando Tatis (2008), Jorge Sosa (2007), Jose Valentin (2006), Darren Oliver (2006), Chad Bradford (2006) (Among Others) were all signings for less then 2 million that all outperformed their contracts.

I mean, sure, having a large budget certaintly helps but he's shown the ability to pluck the gems out of the rough as well as anybody.

Hell, most of his 'Free Agency splurges' are the ones that have had poor results (Pedro, Alou, Wagner, Castillo). Really, the best FA sign he made was Beltran....otherwise it's been a mixed bag (At best) when it comes to handing out multi-million dollar contracts.

"I think the biggest issue with the Castillo is contract is this: Who the hell was Omar Minaya bidding against? Why did it take 4/25?

He signed Castillo to his contract far too early, before the market had been set. He ended up vastly overpaying for one of his own players, a guy who is CLEARLY on the decline." -scribbletone

For what it's worth, it was well established that the Astros had offered Castillo a 3 year contract, presumably in that 6 million a year range. They ended up giving pretty much the same deal to Kaz Matsui.

Well first off I would like to state that many teams, mostly small payroll teams at that, would love to have Heilman. The guy has wanted to be a starter and begged to be one practically every year since joining the club. He is an all around great guy also. Maybe all he really needs is a change of environment. He can pick up at least a top 5 prospect and maybe another decent minor league player this off season. I do see this happening.

The Castillo deal... Should have never happened. End of story on that one. Even if we pay all the money he is owed. The team that gets him will probably not even start him. Im not one to pick on players but when your done your done. His game revolved around speed. The only way he plays next season is if he can move his legs at the level they were on in is prime... Highly doubted..

"For what it's worth, it was well established that the Astros had offered Castillo a 3 year contract, presumably in that 6 million a year range. They ended up giving pretty much the same deal to Kaz Matsui."

I see a huge difference between 3/16 and 4/25. Why not offer like 4/20 or 3/18? I just see a complete midhandling of the situation by Minaya. But then again I was one of many who thought Castillo was pretty much done by the end of last year. I mean yeah a hollow .260 BA and some walks is nice, but not really.. And I think he's a guy who has done a lot of good for the Mets. Now obviously their farm system could and should be in better shape, but its not the worst in baseball.

And I think people don't give him enough credit for the Reyes and Wright deals. He got both of those guys to sign long term on pretty cheap deals. He got Wright for 6/55 and a $17M option and Reyes for 4/23 with a $11M option. Even with arbitration rules and such those are some pretty solid deals for two of the best and most well known players in baseball.

TruDru22, I'm willing to bet that would apply for Church, Alou, and a few others as well. Mainly whoever has been injured for most of July and/or August when we turned the season around.

Purely Coincidential, considering Easley and Argenis Reyes have not performed any better then Castillo in his absense.

Yeah, just looked it up and the Mets are 41-38 in games that Church has played. Likewise, they are 7-8 in games that Alou played. OMG, They such cancers!

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