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Sorry for the repeat post...my cat jumped on the keyboard and did something to it lol.

How much value do you think Diory Hernandez has to Sandiego ? Maybe they prefer him to Lillibridge ? He had a very solid year in AAA and his service time hasnt started. Maybe he could be part of a package. Padre fans what do you think of him ?

SuperChargers: Why do you want Gorky so bad? If we are getting Heyward as you deal suggests, we would not ask for Gorky. Instead we would want another pitcher, I would believe.

For all who keep mentioning Kelly Johnson, if we are to trade Peavy we want to reduce payroll, why add an arb. eligible player with an increase cost and only 3 years of team control left. Remember Paul D statement, players we can control for 5+ years.

Houston is Peavy's first choice, but he would approve a trade to the 5 cities listed, so who among them offers the best deal wins.

Also for all of you Knocking on Greene, his career numbers away looks like this .270/.318/.484 even with this years craptasic performance.

Lastly, I looked up the Beckett trade in 2005 for a reference. Beckett was traded for Hanley Ramirez/Anibal Sanchez/Jesus Delgado/and one other lower level minor leaguer. The major difference here is that the Marlins also ship Lowell and Mota with Beckett and they combined were owned 20.6 million dollars and both coming off terrible seasons. Ramirez was the Red Sox top Prospect, and ranked #10 in all of baseball. And Sanchez was the 3 ranked prospect (behind Jon Lester) in the red sox system. Both were thought to be untouchable(according to Boston Globe).

Basically this is a more relevant deal to look at than the others that we have been comparing it too. The major difference is the Salary dump part of the trade if Greene is involved or not, but it wont have the same impact either way, since the money is far less 6.5 mil compared to 20.6 mil. The Marlins got the 10th ranked Prospect in Baseball, and a highly regarded strikeout pitcher, and 20 year old relief pitcher prospect, and another prospect i dont know.

In addition Beckett thou good before the trade to Boston, had an injury history including shoulder and blister problems (several) and had never in his career thrown over 180 innings. (Had over three in the bigs at the time of trade)

The major difference was the Beckett was team controlled for 3 years (through arb.) thus being far less expensive than Peavy.

Given that the salary dump is not nearly on the same level (if at all) it would cost more than that to acquire Peavy would be my guess.

Because Heyward would not be able to play CF in Petco so Hernandez would be desired but i think the Padres would rather get:
Schafer
Hanson
Rohrbough
And someone else??
instead: more on the lines of two pitchers and 1 cf as KT said

Well Tommy Hanson had a pretty good day in the AFL.

4 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 9 K

And the ironic thing about that it was against the Padres affiliate AFL team.

Lakerdodgersyankees4life,

"mcdonald, hu, delwon young and an outfield prospect for peavy"

What outfield prospect(s) do you have in mind? Because, even though Mcdonald has looked really good thus far, I'd have no problem giving up those 3 that you mentioned in order to get Peavy.

tsweet9000, I agree with the overall idea of walking away if they want to much but I like Locke more than Rohrbough. Also Schafer scares me a little so consider him about even with Gorkys. I still stand firm in the idea that Heyward should not even be allowed to enter these discussions. If Towers wants him, that is a deal breaker for me. If Huddy wasn't hurt and the addition of Peavy makes our rotation Peavy/Hudson/Jurrjens then maybe because that could definitely land us back in the playoffs but that isn't the case. Hanson/Schafer/Lillibridge/Jones and maybe 1 more pitcher who preferably is not Locke, Teheran or Rohrbough is about all I'd give up. And as you said, if that wont do it then walk away.

Geez people, you are talking about guys playing in the AFL right now as the "star prospects"?

If that's what SD wants, the Astros can easily meet their needs. Go look up the stats for Chris Johnson, Drew Sutton, Bud Norris and Sergio Perez...

Mistyck, there are a lot of start type players playing in the AFL from various levels. It's just a league used to get players more playing time and work on some things. It isn't a knock on a player to be playing in the AFL by any means. Go take a look at some of the rosters and tell me if nobody in the AFL is worth trading for.

SuperChargers, Teheran is to much I think with the other 4 you have there. Also I don't know why the Braves would deal Jurrjens for Peavy. That is counter productive. Sure Peavy is better but then our number 2 would be the likes of Morton, James, Hampton and that isn't going to cut it. The only way the Braves make this deal is if they feel it will help them compete with the Phillies/Mets and you can't do that with one ace and 4 number 5 starters. :(

lakersdodgersyankees4life,

r u kt's right hand man or somehthing? how can u say that a deal is impossible for the braves without those 3? u think it would be crazy to get peavy for something like hanson, reyes, hernandez, lilligbridge, jones, etc.??? i wouldn't be shocked at all to see a team get a decent deal for peavy, since i believe that there is a very short list of teams for him to go to. we've only heard that peavy will waive his no-trade for the braves, cardinals, cubs, astros, and dodgers. i can't see him staying in the division, so scratch the dodgers off the list. i don't think the cubs really want/need him, so scratch them off. that leaves the braves, cardinals, and astros. not really a strong hand for the pads to negotiate. that's y they're trying to make it sound like other teams are involved, like the yankees, when they probably aren't a real option because of the no-trade clause.

Mistyck, that is hardly comparable. There isn't a baseball analyst in the world that would rank the group of players you listed as comparable to the deal I proposed from the Braves. If nothing else upside along would make the package I posted much better than that list of Astros players. BA is going to have the Astros in the bottom 5 in terms of prospect talent in their 2009 book. They simply can't put together a package that rivals one the Braves, Cards or Dodgers can put together. Your MLB squad may be better than ours so if you want to start dismantling it to get Peavy then maybe you have a shot but I really don't think it's going to happen.

Braves 4 Ever: You won't have to worry about that, trust me. If the Braves were able to spend in the $150MM+ range on payroll, then a Jurrjens/Peavy swap could make sense for Atlanta (and Lord knows it'd make sense for San Diego). But a team on a mid-tier payroll can't afford to give up Jurrjens production at $450K in 2009. They would essentially be upgrading his spot in the rotation, but at almost 25 times the financial cost. He is the most valuable asset in the Braves' organization right now, imho.

That said, just waxing hypothetical here, if I was Towers I'd do Peavy for Jurrjens plus a fringe prospect like Brandon Jones or Lillibridge. It'd be hard to turn down Jurrjens straight-up. I'd say his ceiling is a Tim Hudson type, and at worst he's your #3...and in 2009 & 2010 will cost all of $910K.

For Peavy, the Astros really would give up Pence, Paulino and Valverde (for the Padres to trade for Mets/Tigers prospects)...They really would take a good chunk out of the MLB roster....Drayton McLane keeps talking about being a champion every day...and to his credit, he did go out and get Lee and Tejada in the last 2 years. For Tejada we gave up young starting RF'er Luke Scott and three good young MLB pitchers in Troy Patton, Matt Albers and Dennis Sarfate...

Agree with you there Baleen
I just said that cause some comment up top, and if I was KT I would do a straight up JJ for peavy trade, since you would be cutting down your payroll by how much? 14.5 mill a year? cant even calculate that

Schellis
how is that two solid pitching prospect?
Phillips is a negative value
Homer bailey posted era of 4.88 in minors and is 0-6 in majors with era of 8.00
Thompson is a above average pitcher that has not proven himself yet and Janish is just an average infielder...
No where near what braves are offering..

How in the heck does Phillips have negitive value? He's better all around then either Escobar or Johnson. Its not like he's some guy that hit .220 and can't field his position.

I admit that Homer struggled this year but he's still very young and highly regarded. The Reds also messed with his delivery this year which led to decreased performance.

Thompson is above average, and yes he hasn't proven himself at the major league level, I just said he was major league ready.

Janish is a bench glove type throw in nothing more, but his glove is very good and if he can hit at least .260 he could start since he's got solid on base skills.

However if the Reds were to put Cueto or Volquez on the table I think they blow away anything that any other team can offer, I just think that would be a massive mistake.

Billingsley, Hu or Dewitt or DeJesus, and a third prospect (McDonald?)

Would that be enough of just a starting point for the Dodgers?

lol? Billingsley is a top of the rotation starter, why would you trade him..
You dodger fans is it cuz the postseason ?

Ya Billingsly and Peavy are actuall comparable. I think a Billingsly for Peavy trade is a wash. CHad is young, cheap, and a stud. Peavy an expensive, in his prime stud.

WrightReyes:

That won't land you Peavy because he doesn't want to go to NY, but 2 of those 3 would land you Valverde and those 2 guys would go to San Diego....

Fine...Niese and Evans then...if those are acceptable to the Padres...otherwise there are other teams like the Tigers etc who also need closers...

jfish26101,
Agreed...100%. You just proved my point: the Astros have nothing they could give up to get Peavy and still be contenders. The minor league system is dry, and their big league roster is something like a Jenga tower after about five minutes of playing; if one piece were to be moved, the whole thing comes down. The Astros are very fragile right now, and can barely afford to lose anything...even if it's for someone like Jake Peavy.
Makes me sad, really. A great opportunity that came along a few seasons too late.

H-Town:

Not surprised if he has already waived the NTC...he was talking to the Chronicle via Oswalt's cellphone..lol.

"ok, i've heard few cincy scenarios. not sure if it's the same guy every time, but let's get real here. there is zero chance peavy would waive his no-trade clause for the reds. ZERO!!! i don't think they r enough of a contender for peavy, and i'm pretty sure that he wants nothing to do with that ballpark. sorry to burst your bubble reds' fans."

The Reds are just as much of a contender as the Astros, if not more. The Astros home ballpark is no pitchers best friend either, if you haven't noticed. The Reds are much, much, much, much better setup to compete for a long time then the Astros are. Sorry to burst your bubble.

And fwiw, I am pretty sure Kevin Towers wants nothing to do with Jose Valverde. He is not that valuable.

full time major leaguers next yr( i meant yr after next)

Man, those comments on the San Diego Union-Tribune article trip me up. Go read them...they're hilarious!

the dodgers should offer a package of mcdonald, hu and maza. if they want another pitcher, someone other than elbert, bill, or kershaw. i think the pads would be happy to get those 3.

The Dodgers will have to give up more than both the Braves and the Cardinals.

I think it makes far more sense for them to get pitching via free agency rather than break up a good young nucleus of the big league club.

remember Braves have 45 million to spend on free agency as well so if they acquire peavy and sign someone like burnett. Braves are definitely contenders

After seeing how hanson pitched yesterday in AFL, makes me not want to trade him, but i guess if its for peavy w/e. he threw 4 innings and struck out 9... lights out
And yea i agree with you about burnnet, actually i think braves should sign oliver perez, we need a nice lefty on the rotation

"The Reds are just as much of a contender as the Astros, if not more. The Astros home ballpark is no pitchers best friend either, if you haven't noticed. The Reds are much, much, much, much better setup to compete for a long time then the Astros are. Sorry to burst your bubble."

i see the astros as a bigger contender than the reds. i'm pretty sure they've had more success recently. when's the last time the reds were in the playoffs? what u r on paper doesn't mean anything. i think the astros impressed alot of people when they were buyers while being so far out of it, and then getting so close near the end. also, the astros probably aren't the type of contender peavy is looking for, but i think he considers them good enough since his buddy oswalt is there. as for comparing their ballparks, that is pretty hysterical. the only NL ballpark that u can compare cincy's with is the phillies'. no, it's not a pitcher's park, but let's be serious here. and i doubt this is that important to peavy, but baker is the manager in cincy. if he went there, he would be so messed up before his contract is up that he won't make anything on his next contract. baker is the worst pitching-hanlder i've ever seen, by far. he's terrible. poor prior. at least wood somehow made it back. did u see what he did to harang this season? sorry to burst your bubble again. again, chances of peavy going to cincy = 0.00%.

I don't care if Peavy goes to the Reds. I am not a Reds fan. I wouldn't trade top prospect for Peavy anyway, I don't trust the guy. Between declining peripherals, his home park advantage, and his injury history, give me CC if I am going for an ace. All I was trying to say is that the Reds are setup better to win now and in the future.

I dont know why all this talk about him going to Houston is still going on. Towers has already said out of his mouth that the Padres and Houston dont match up well in terms of prospects that they would want/need.

I hope Frank Wren can get this done without giving up Hanson or Rohrbough since i can see those two guys being our future #1/#2 guys.

I think he can get it done with a package of

Shafer
Locke
Tyler Flowers
Melden
Lillibridge
Reyes/Morton

I think that would be a decent starting point.

After that we go sign Oliver Perez who i believe in his own right will be a beast of a pitcher.

that gives you

1. Peavy
2. Perez
3. Jair
4/5 can be aquired by whomever

Halfway through the season you get Hudson back.

Then you trade Hudson at the end of the 2009 season and your 2010 rotation is this

1. Peavy
2. Perez
3. Jair
4. Rohrbough
5. Hanson

i think that rotation would make the Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine rotation look like amateurs because instead of 3 Aces as a 1-2-3 you have basically 5.

Then position player wise . . . . oh man

CF Hernandez
LF Heyward
RF Frenchy?/Sumoza
1B Freddie Freeman
2B Kelly Johnson
SS Escobar
3B Chipper maybe?
C McCann

that with the above mentioned rotation of

1. Jake Peavy
2. Oliver Perez
3. Jair
4. Cole Rohrbough
5. Tommy Hanson

2009 would be just the welcome year when we win our division

2010 would be the year we win the WS and keep winning the WS for more years to come. Cause after chipper goes we still have Jon Gilmore to come in at 3B

Its a wrap ladies and gents

nrmax and drumzalicious:

You guys are counting the Astros out too fast. Granted, by ourselves we don't have the talent you guys have to offer the Padres, however, there could be a 3rd team involved that needs a closer. Also, as far as giving up players on the 25 man roster, the Astros would do it because if we lose Pence in our RF, we could get a FA like Hairston or Baldelli. If we lose Valverde, we do have options for the closer spot. Drayton Mclane, the Astros owner has already proven time and time again that if he really wants a player, raising payroll or giving up MLB talent is no problem. For recent examples, take a look at the Clemens and Pettitte signings, the Carlos Lee signing and the Tejada trade. Also, in the end, it's not Padres who will decide where Peavy goes, it's Peavy himself...so if you think that the Braves are the only team who can land Peavy, think again.

We would lose 2 maybe 3 guys (Pence, Valverde and possibly Wandy Rodriguez) off our MLB roster IF a 3-way trade went through. Pence could be replaced by Dunn (ugh), Baldelli or Hairston. For Closer we have internal options in Geary, Hawkins (if he re-signs), Paulino (if Wandy goes instead) and Gervacio. To replace Wandy we would probably get Hampy as he wants to come back or Paulino can take the 5th spot in the rotation.

Sorry Mets and Tigers not Mets and Dodgers.