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Cafardo's Latest: Lowe, Maddux, Peavy

By Tim Dierkes [October 19, 2008 at 8:34pm CST]

Here's a look at the latest column from Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe.

Interestingly, the Red Sox are reportedly Derek Lowe's preferred destination. It's unknown whether the Sox intend to add a starter this winter, but they may lose free agent Paul Byrd (and will have to decide on Tim Wakefield's $4MM option). Cafardo names a dozen other clubs interested in Lowe: the Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Indians, Cardinals, Cubs, Angels, Braves, Phillies, Rangers, Astros, and Blue Jays.
Bill Mueller, 38 in March, admits he'd like to play again. Medically, it's a long shot because he'd need to regrow cartilage in his knees.
One of Greg Maddux's teammates feels he'll retire. Maddux could return to the Padres as a player/coach (specifically, he'd prefer a bench coach gig).
The Brewers as a sleeper for Jake Peavy? They're not on his list, but he's named other midwest clubs.
Cafardo believes catchers Bengie Molina and Ramon Hernandez will be available this winter. Makes sense, given the weak free agent market at the position.

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"If the Giants don't go there[Burrell or Manny], they would prefer a hitter they can have under their control for a while. Delmon Young, who flamed out in Minnesota this season, has been talked about."

Yeah, "talked about" by other media people speculating without reason to about who would take Delmon Young, not "talked about" by the teams.

I'm all for rumor mongering and saying "hey such and such a trade would be interesting or a good fit," but the writers should be up front about that, rather than treating their own speculation as a legit rumor with a factual basis.

Posted by: nostocksjustbonds | October 19, 2008 at 08:46 PM

The Red Sox bringing back Lowe isn't a bad idea because he's still a good pitcher and they could use another starter.

Posted by: JT89 | October 19, 2008 at 08:49 PM

Hm. The Brewers could definitely have something to offer the Padres but I don't think Peavy just "forgot" to put them on his waive-list.

Posted by: jen526 | October 19, 2008 at 09:08 PM

What if the Dodgers offer Chin-Lung Hu and Scott Elbert for Peavy. If they re-sign Furcal Hu is expendable and not someone I'd fear playing just down the road. Elbert is solid, but the Dodgers have tons of young pitching on the way with Kershaw and MacDonald.

Posted by: OedipusSC | October 19, 2008 at 09:47 PM

I agree...the Delmon Young rumors these past few weeks don't seem to have basis in actual trade talks.

Posted by: Tim Dierkes | October 19, 2008 at 09:57 PM

Oedipus:

How about Chin-Lung Hu, Kershaw and McDonald for Peavy. Not going to get hime for a "solid" Elbert and Hu "someone I'd not fear playing down the road" for an ace like peavy. Your going to have to give up more than what the Braves are going to not LESS.

Posted by: SuperChargers | October 19, 2008 at 09:59 PM

Red Sox should exercise Wakefield's option. $4M for a 5th starter is a bargain these days.

Posted by: icedrake523 | October 19, 2008 at 10:14 PM

itd prob be a deal of hu/mcdonald/elbert
or
hu/mcdonald/maza or dewitt

Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 19, 2008 at 10:23 PM

kershaw is going no where

Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 19, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Dodgers won't get Peavy. The Padres will want to much and the Dodgers won't want to give up enough.

I would be surprised to see anybody make a better offer than what the Braves will.

Posted by: LADFan | October 19, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Alejandro A. Leal, who writes for umpbump.com seems to think the dodgers could give either elbert/mcdonald/hu or mcdonald/hu/maza or dewitt and get peavy. i wouldnt be surprised if the pads didnt turn either of them down, as the choices give them wat they want, 2 pitchers and a MI, or a pitcher and 2 MI

this is the email he sent back to me this is mine:

Dear Alejandro,
Could the Padres accept a trade for Peavy to the dodgers based on Mcdonald, Hu, and Maza or Dewitt? I know they will probably want more from the dodgers than from other teams, but this would be a good haul. Mcdonald could be a starter or reliever next year for the Padres. Maybe not this coming year, but the year after, Maza/Dewitt could be the second baseman for years to come, and Hu could be the SS. that would allow them to trade away Greene's salary. Just wanted to know an opion other than fans for certain teams,Thomas H"

his response

"Hey Thomas
That's a solid crop of prospects. The only thing in the Dodger's way is the fact that Peavy is drawing so much interest from other teams. If the Braves were to offer Yunel Escobar, the Dodgers might have to include one of their regulars... but i'm hey, it's all speculation...
I do think the Dodgers are one of the two maybe three teams that are in the running for Peavy.

Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 19, 2008 at 11:14 PM

I think the Dodger thing is going to fade away really quickly.

Towers would be incredibly stupid to send him to LA unless Kemp AND Kershaw are coming back, and there's no way the Dodgers do that. So why even discuss it?

Posted by: liquid.swords | October 19, 2008 at 11:16 PM

the blake trade seems to be dumb, espically if they dont resign him, but dodger managment has been pretty smart about who to trade, like laroche(shown nothing, still) and Morris(coming off TJ surgery)

Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 19, 2008 at 11:16 PM

now dont even start the kemp/kershaw crap.
i think if the pads dont get 2 or 3 of the braves top prospects, theyll def look at the dodgers offer.
this seems to really be btwn dodger, pads, and maybe houston. the fact towers talked to the dodgers, he showed he was willing to think of trading him to LA

Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 19, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Derek Lowe would look good in a Cubs uinform. I just say sign Dempster, sign Lowe move Marquis. Best rotation in majors.
Zambrano
Harden
Lowe
Lilly
Dempster

Posted by: BLEEDINGCUBBIEBLUE | October 19, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Price for trading a good player intradivision will ALWAYS be higher than trading it outside the division. I don't see it happening unless the offer is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than that of any non-division team. AKA guys like Kemp and/or Kershaw are involved.

And, Orioles should definitely trade Ramon Hernandez. The O's catcher is ready, and his name is Wieters.

Posted by: melonis rex | October 19, 2008 at 11:26 PM

BLEEDINGCUBBIEBLUE: I agree! I think that the cubs should try to get Lowe. If they go after him, they shouldnt ofer Dempster a lot of money. I am nervous, if we sign him, if he will have another great year. I also think that Soriano needs to be traded. Hes to streaky.

All i know is that this off-season will be fun to watch!

Posted by: cubs land | October 19, 2008 at 11:53 PM

What kind of value do Molina and Hernandez have? Neither seem like top-shelf trade targets.

Posted by: The Juice | October 19, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Do the Sox really need another pitcher?

They have Beckett, Matsusaka, Lester and Bucholz. Masterson can go back to starting if they need him too and they will pick up Wakefield's option. I think they spend the money on relief pitching instead of another starter.

Posted by: BaseballForLife1781 | October 20, 2008 at 12:25 AM

Molina or Hernandez could haul in huge prices with the lack of quality Cs on the free agent market. You have pudge who's expensive and old, Bard, LoDuca, Ross, and Barrett. All of who have questions(not to mention Bard is the only one under 32.) Catchers need to not only be quality hitters but know how to handle a pitching staff. Which is why I think Molina could have enourmous interest from teams like Florida, Kansas, Houston, and Milwaukee who have young staffs which need guidance as well as large farm systems.

Posted by: insomniac | October 20, 2008 at 12:25 AM

Lowe would be a good sign for the Yankees. 4/52 they like to sign players for and I think thats deserving for Lowe. Once CC or Peavy comes to NY then you have a great looking rotation:

CC/Peavy
Wang
Lowe
Pettitte
Joba
Hughes

Posted by: BaseballForLife1781 | October 20, 2008 at 12:27 AM

Ramon Hernandez to the O's for Zach Miner. O's get a starter and the tigers get a soli starter to bring that pitching staff back to their old ways.

Posted by: joemorgan=#1 | October 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM

no brewers fans with trade ideas for peavy?

Posted by: bkoke | October 20, 2008 at 03:24 AM

the JJ/Weeks for Peavy idea seems plausible. I think the Brewers would prefer to get "cheap" pitching for JJ, say a Z Grienke. Also, there are injury risks with Peavy that at his price, might make the Brewers cautious. BUT, the Brewers are determined to land a top starter, either in a trade, JJ or Prince, or from FA.

I don't think you can pass on JJ/Weeks for Peavy, if that can get it done. It would have been nice to see of Milwaukee could turn Weeks into a CF like BJ Upton....we will see.

Posted by: BeanoCook | October 20, 2008 at 04:11 AM

I am a Yankee fan and saying this...I really think there is no chance Peavy is coming to New York. He likes the NL and doesn't want any stress outside of when he takes the mound. I really don't think the Yankees need to get Peavy or CC....I would love if they did (unless we had to give up a boatload of prospects for Peavy) but I don't think we need it. Joba is going to be an ace and thats what we needed. I'd sign Burnett just because he kills us and Hughes is going to have a big year he has a chip on his shoulder.

If we did have a shot at Peavy though one name I haven't heard thrown around is Cano. Guy had an off year but will still be a hall of fame hitter and the Yanks are growing impatient with him and Orlando Hudson is a free agent who plays insane defense who we could sign. Also heard Cano for Kemp rumors I could take that also.

Posted by: yanks09 | October 20, 2008 at 04:18 AM

"Also heard Cano for Kemp rumors I could take that also."

That rumor has been shot down time after time after time after time... not happening. Not even colletti would make that trade.

Posted by: start_wearing_purple | October 20, 2008 at 05:08 AM

"Guy had an off year but will still be a hall of fame hitter."
You seem pretty confident a .303 career hitter with 62 HR in 4 seasons will be in the hall of fame. Will you be the one inducting him? In case you havent heard, its pretty hard to get in there. How about this:

13 Seasons
.298 Career Average
382 HR
1451 RBI
1249 R
.352 OBP
.502 SLUG

And the most likely WILL NOT be in the hall of fame. Best of luck to Cano.

Posted by: HypnoToad | October 20, 2008 at 07:17 AM

Kemp > Cano

Lowe > Buckholz

CC + Prospects > Peavy + 0 Prospects

Posted by: HypnoToad | October 20, 2008 at 07:21 AM

Lowe "prefers" Boston??? More like Lowe will steal an extra couple of Million from the Yankees this offseason by claiming his interest is to head back to Boston.

This game has been played by plenty of Free Agents before and given Lowe's past history as a Sox, it certainly is the right card to play; but nevertheless I would probably call his bluff on this one.

Lowe knows the Yanks need Starting Pitching and knows they would hate to see the Sox land any pitcher before them.

Posted by: baxter4218 | October 20, 2008 at 07:31 AM

Peavy's agent is quoted in today's NY Newsday saying he doesn't want to come to NY. In fact the words were "he hates NY. We can cross Peavy off the Yanks list.

An interesting rumor, not from a reliable source, but a rimor just the same...Hughes, gardner and a prospect to KC for Greinke and Dejesus. I LOVE the idea of DeJesus in CF but not sure that Zack has the mental makeup to pitch in NY.

Posted by: yankeegirl49 | October 20, 2008 at 07:39 AM

yankeegirl- Not. Happening. Definitely an unreliable source. Hughes + Gardner + prospect not named Austin Jackson/Joba isn't enough of a package for Greinke alone, let alone Greinke + DeJesus. Greinke will cost the Yankees. Austin Jackson.

Posted by: melonis rex | October 20, 2008 at 08:54 AM

i think lowe is going to get more than 4/52 mill i see him getting 4/60-4/65 mill.

greinke will not cost you that much money, but it will cost multiple prospects. the yanks would have to give up hughes at the min.

Posted by: derman1984 | October 20, 2008 at 09:36 AM

peavy is not an injury risk hes averaged 210 innings per season for the last 6 years.

Posted by: bkoke | October 20, 2008 at 09:54 AM

jj/weeks would not even come close to getting peavy and the padres would not want weeks

Posted by: bkoke | October 20, 2008 at 10:11 AM

The yankees have no chance of acquiring Grienke. He's exactly what Kansas City needs to build around, a young/cheap/controllable starter. Also, Kansas City has no reason to deal him to a team without much in their minor league system prospect-wise(except for Jesus Montero and Austin Jackson)

Posted by: DirtyThirty | October 20, 2008 at 10:23 AM

"yankeegirl- Not. Happening. Definitely an unreliable source. Hughes + Gardner + prospect not named Austin Jackson/Joba isn't enough of a package for Greinke alone, let alone Greinke + DeJesus. Greinke will cost the Yankees. Austin Jackson."

Totally agree. The Royals would want a kings ransom for Grienke, and DeJesus is a very valuable CF as well. The Royals would likely expect Hughes and Jackson as the centerpieces, with guys like Kennedy, Brackman and Romine included as well.

"jj/weeks would not even come close to getting peavy and the padres would not want week"

Yeah.. If the Padres are trying to move Peavy in order to add cheap, controllable elite young talent, why would they go after a 26 year old middle infielder like Hardy or Weeks as the centerpiece? I definitely agree that the Brewers are possible front runners, but the package would be built around Alcides Escobar far more likely. One possible non-Escobar scenario I could see would be Peavy for J.J. Hardy, Jeremy Jeffress, Angel Salome and Tony Gwynn Jr. That would fill some holes for San Diego as well as give them a quality catching prospect and a quality power pitching prospect, and those are two things they really need.

Posted by: scribbletone | October 20, 2008 at 11:21 AM

parra would have to be in a deal from the brewers and the padres arent targeting a catcher as they are more than happy with hundley

Posted by: bkoke | October 20, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Dodgers send Hu/Maza/MacDonald for Peavy. Again, if the Dodgers re-sign Furcal, Hu/Maza who are excellent prospects are blocked by Furcal/DeWitt. I'd be sorry to see MacDonald go. I think he's going to be great, but the Dodgers need Peavy now. This won't be another DeShields for Pedro (*sigh*).

Posted by: OedipusSC | October 20, 2008 at 11:50 AM

I think that a combination of hardy/weeks or fielder/ weeks...with the addition of a prospect might be an intriguing offer for Peavy. I think the deal is unlikely, but the teams could match up. The Padres could use an offensive upgrade in the middle infield so Hardy makes much more sense than Fielder. Hardy would be a major upgrade from Greene. And Weeks still has a ton of raw talent...maybe a change of scenery would allow him to break out.

Posted by: JoeyT107 | October 20, 2008 at 01:59 PM

"itd prob be a deal of hu/mcdonald/elbert
or
hu/mcdonald/maza or dewitt"

First deal would probably do it. Second deal, not so much. DeWitt and Maza are not interchangeable.

"Dodgers send Hu/Maza/MacDonald for Peavy. Again, if the Dodgers re-sign Furcal, Hu/Maza who are excellent prospects are blocked by Furcal/DeWitt. I'd be sorry to see MacDonald go."

Maza is WAY past prospect status. One can argue that the Twins were stupid to never bring him up, but 28 years old means you have long lost prospect status.

A McDonald/Hu/Elbert deal is definitely enough on paper, but probably not considering the other issues.

Posted by: AA | October 20, 2008 at 02:03 PM

"A McDonald/Hu/Elbert deal is definitely enough on paper, but probably not considering the other issues. "

I'd do that deal right now, re-sign Manny and Blake, exercise Penny's option and go into '09 with a rotation of:

Peavy
Billingsley
Penny
Kuroda
Kershaw

C-Martin
1b-Loney
2b-DeWitt
ss-Furcal
3B-Blake
LF-Manny
CF-Kemp
RF-Ethier

(I'm going to conveniently ignore Schmidt, Andruw, and Pierre) - maybe a bad contract for bad contract trade like Pierre to ChiSox for Macdougal or something.

Posted by: OedipusSC | October 20, 2008 at 02:20 PM

"exercise Penny's option and go into '09 with a rotation of:

Peavy
Billingsley
Penny
Kuroda
Kershaw"

Penny isn't worth resigning anymore given the injury and attitude questions. Plus, Kershaw will almost certainly be better than Penny next year, so Penny would be a $9.25 million 5th starter. Would rather re-sign Park to be the 5th Starter for much less.

Posted by: AA | October 20, 2008 at 04:25 PM

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