How To Fix The Mets

"And No Murphy is not for real. He is gonna end up worse than Jay bruce did. Trade him while he still ahs value."

Huh? It's hard to fathom somebody being more idiotic and misinformed then the guru, but I think you have done the trick my friend. Congratulations that is incredibly hard to do.

"I mean. What does h even do. He cant run, He doesnt walk. Hell strike out 160+ times a season. He dusnt have power. Whats he good at???"

Who Fernando Martinez? He can run, field, and hit. That is usually what baseball players are supposed to do. How many players do you know who have had 2 full seasons in AA ball before their teenage years are over? How many put up respectable numbers? There are not many who do, and the on'es that do usually make it in the bigs.

People are really so stupid. So a kid who is 19 and not even close to finished developing as a man is not hitting for big power against 23, 23, and 25 year olds. Lets cut him now. A teenager playing pro baseball has to learn the strikezone? He has to learn the art of working an at bat? You mean, he wasn't programmed to be able to do these things at 19 years old, when most major leaguers have trouble doing these things? Man, what a horrible prospect. You would have traded off Jose Reyes too back in the day.

"I would say a package of nick blackburn/glen perkins/denard span, brian buscher, boof bonser, and jesse crain for wright or reyes would be good on both sides."

Ah well i will have to disagree with that. Wright or Reyes would need like a haul similar to what the Marlins got for Miggy. About 4-6 prospects including a can't miss, another top 50, a decent one, and throw ins.

No, I agree, that offer is not close. He might be valued like a superstar player in a trade, but I just think any team paying prospects expecting Matt Holliday to produce like he did at Coors is making a big mistake.

this is the lineup i want for next year
reyes ss
o hudson 2b
d wright 3b
c beltran cf
m holliday lf
e byrnes rf
d murphy/evans 1b
k shoppach c

santana
pelfrey
lowe
maine
garland

fuentes
j smith
stokes
ayala
feliciano
parnell
j cruz

tatis
helms
castro
chavez
t clark
ill follow this up with how we get these players via trade and free agent signings

"No, I agree, that offer is not close. He might be valued like a superstar player in a trade, but I just think any team paying prospects expecting Matt Holliday to produce like he did at Coors is making a big mistake."

I think what nrmax is trying to say is that teams see Holliday's number and expect to be getting an elite middle of the order hitting capable of a 1.000 OPS. But realistically he's a high average hitter with good power and discipline good for a low .900s OPS, likely even less than that in the AL. I think most teams are aware of this though.

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o hudson 3 years 24 million
fuentes 4 years 32 million
lowe 3 years 30 million
garland 2 years 18 million"

You completely live in a fantasy world. Hudson will likely cost something like 4/40, Fuentes somehthing like 4/48, Lowe something like 3/51, and Garland something like 5/60. These are just figures that I've read and heard bounced around.

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castillo and heilman to arizona for byrnes and cruz
we take on a little extra money and they solve their 2nd base problem."

First off, Juan Cruz is likely to be let go by Arizona. Eliminate him from the deal though, and I think that deal becomes reasonable.

"get holliday by trading delgado for 2 high end prospects and package these with maybe kunz and a mid level prospect for him"

Okay.. Carlos Delgado will not land you two high end prospects. Well actually if Casey Blake could land you one then maybe Delgado could. But no he really couldn't. More like one top prospect and another solid low level guy. And realistically taking whoever you get for Delgado and adding Kunz, likely to end up as a set up man, and a mid level prospect isn't even close to enough to land Holliday. Now lets say you actually got two top prospects for Delgado. If you added Kunz and another solid prospect, that might land you Holliday though.

"shoppach
trade church and schneider for shoppach and a minor league outfielder"

The Indians won't deal Shoppach for Church and Schneider, especially not in addition to an OF prospect. The Indians would likely want superior players to Church or Schneider, or young guys for Shoppach. I'm not sure how interested in adding Schneider the Indians would be, considering they already have Victor Martinez and Schneider is due $4.9M in 2009. I like the idea of Shoppach to the Mets, but I just don't know how they make a deal the Indians would like.

Do you think the Mets could trade Carlos Delgado to the Yanks for Cano? Is that far off? What if Johnny Damon was somehow packaged in the deal?

Gents, take a step back and breathe. The Mets were basically two games out over the past 2 years. THE PROBLEM has been pitching. They've blown so many games over the past. Fix the pitching situation.
I think Reyes would benefit from batting either second or seventh. He doesn't do what it takes to get on base as a leadoff batter. With his ability to bunt and propensity for triples, he would be a solid 2 batter. Or as a 7 batter, he could clean up whatever the big guns don't and at the same time cause havoc for Schneider and or the pitcher/pinch hitters. Which brings me to the leadoff batter. Why not try to get Ichiro (unhappy) or Figgin? These guys like to get on base and both can run. Also, they are not all that expensive. You won't get a lot of dingers from left field but they'll be on base and stealing as well.
Heilman should be given the chance to start if the Mets don't acquire another starter. Perez is too erratic and is not worth 10 million. If not, either give him a defined role or trade him for one of the two guys above. With him not having a defined role, I think that the yo-yo has affected him. The core guys aren't going anywhere so deal with it. You can put an all star team on the field but if the pitching doesn't get upgraded, it's the same old story.
1-Ichiro/Figgins type
2-Reyes
3-Beltran
4-Delgado/Wright (depends on pitcher)
5-same as 4
6-Church
7-2B
8-catcher
If the pitching is upgraded, I'll take my chances. After all, they were only 2 games out from two playoff appearances.

o hudson 3 years 24 million
fuentes 4 years 32 million
lowe 3 years 30 million
garland 2 years 18 million

first of all fuentes is going to cost you more than 8 mil and year and lowe is going to cost more than 10 mil a year. garland maybe that much but if gil meche got 11 mil i doubt garland will get 9 mil.to pick up delgado option and than trade him would set a very bad example to incoming FA. if anything you let him play into the season and trade him than if at all. and the holliday trade is absurb cause for those package of players that you would send to him it laughable. look at what the brewers got for lee and he was only a 2 month rental not for the full year which you could negogiate with him for an extention. holliday is one of the best hitting LF in the game. the rockies will get tredemous value for him. its a pipe dream for you to think you can get him. and i highly doubt that the yanks would make a deal with the mets just out of principle.

You have to keep the core,they make the mets. Reyes and Wright are our Young Stars and beltran is just an all around player. Mets should go after orlando hudson because i dont see the transition of murphy to a 2nd baseman working out. He is a natural 3rd baseman and wont be playing there as long as he is with the NY mets. Orlando Hudson provides us with power and can fit into the number 2 hole. Bring back delgado because he was a monster in the second half of the season. One more wont hurt. Go after K-Rod because he is very young and is a reliable closer. I dont think we should spend our money on CC because we just got johan. Pelf and maine will be fine. Dont resign ollie unless we can get him for cheap. I think he is going to want alot more money because he has scott boras as an agent and has showed fans he is a big game pitcher, although he wasnt spectacular on Sunday. Dump Castillo. Bring back Tatis to play a great role on the bench. Trade Evans because we showcased him off to every team this year. Go after Derek Lowe or Jon Garland as a back end of the rotation guy if we cant get ollie. Lowe was great this year and garland can give you innings and win ball games.

The Bullpen, here we go! I say keep joe smith, brian stokes and give ayala and feliciano a shot. Duaners arm looks to be finished and we can move on with aaron heilman. Schoneweis can hit the road as well.

Here is how i see opening day at Citi Field as:

Reyes SS
Orlando Hudson 2b
David Wright 3b
Carlos Delgado 1b
Carlos Beltran CF
Juan Rivera LF
Ryan Church RF
Brian Schnieder/Ramon Castro C
Johan Santana P

Starting Rotation:
Johan Santana
Mike Pelfrey
John Maine
Derek Lowe
Jonathon Niese

Bullpen:

CL K-rod
Brian Fuentes
Joe Smith
Brian Stokes
Darren Oliver
Luis Ayala
Pedro Feliciano
Juan Cruz