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Odds and Ends: Moore, Manny, Hudson

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Great article by Joel Sherman on Manny. Really paints a picture. I think any team looking to bring him on for their '09 roster should read it and take heed to its warning.

Awsome article about Manny. I totally agree with it too. I would be very cautious about signing him (i hope the cubs dont sign him). I think everybody should read that article. He is good, but he can also destroy a locker room.

I think people should stop hating on Manny. Think about what hundreds of people do each day. They hate their job, so they quit and get a new job. The man still wants to play baseball, just not for a particular company. (and he does play well.) I think any team would do well to sign Ramirez to a 3 year deal with options for 4 and 5...

Agreed about the article. I think the best case scenario would be if a team signed him to an incentive-laden contract so that theyd pay for what they get. Obviously theres no way that'll happen but it would be nice.

well i dont like manny becuase he DO NOT HUSTLE most of the time, and he is just lazy. He needs to go out and just play baseball. If he doesnt like playing baseball go be a construction worker. I would rather have somebody who plays his a** off,because you know that he will hustle all the time, than manny, which you dont know if he will play hard or not.

i hope manny stays in LA, just stay away from the Chicago and anywhere near.

I would rather have a player who plays 100% all the time, because with Manny, you never know. STAY IN LA PLEASE!!!

Agreed, thinkblue. I don't want the Yankees to sign him but not because of any of this outside stuff, just because I don't think a soon 37 year old corner/DH should be a priority.

And, while I'm certainly not the first to point this out, it bears repeating. Everyone talks about how Manny tanked his way out of Boston but his July line was .347/.473/.587. Talking points, meet data.

what a trade this would have been for the Mets...(from the Mariners article)

"Also, if a proposed trade by then-GM Woody Woodward with the Mets in 1989 had not been blocked by a higher club executive in the organization, the Mariners never would have acquired left-hander Randy Johnson from the Expos. Woodward agreed in principle to trade pitcher Mark Langston, right fielder Jay Buhner and shortstop Omar Vizquel to New York for third baseman Howard Johnson, pitchers David West and Sid Fernandez and the choice of pitchers Kevin Tapani or Wally Whitehurst."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081008&content_id=3604978&vkey=news_sea&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea&partnerId=rss_sea

Cubs land: For your benefit, I hope they pass on Manny and sign Erstad or some renounced hustlestar with 10% of the talent. I'm sure it will work out for the better for you.

I honestly wonder if people would be so hard on him if he were white instead of hispanic.

NOT JOR MORGAN: Thanks, me too!

Since Sherman wrote it, I won't even bother to read it. Give me Manny any day. Simple facts. If Manny is in Lf for the mets last two years, they are 3 time reigning NL East champs. Possibly having made it to a world series. Without Manny, sox don't winin 04 or 07. With Manny in the Cubs lineup, their offense does not go AWOL in the NLDS for 6 games in a row over a course of two years. Keep him happy, that's all. People don't seem to remember that Manny was on the block every single year, always being mentioned in a trade. Not saying it excuses his behavior, but if he is happy, he will produce and not be a problem, just like right now.

1. Less power to the new GM means more power to Lincoln and Armstrong. That's just bad news.

2. A #2-3 starter is more valuable than an elite closer. Soria should definitely get a shot at the rotation. He doesn't have any major injury issues, and wasn't he a starter in the Mexican League? (not sure on that). If he isn't effective as a starter, let him go back to closing. The Royals aren't really sure locks for contending in '09 anyways.

cubs land- "well i dont like manny becuase he DO NOT HUSTLE most of the time, and he is just lazy."

Kind of like Alfonso Soriano?

NOT like him (Soriano), because when Soriano was hurt he worked his a** off to get back to playing.

Manny will not accept any deal with options in it, as that was the point of contention this year, he didn't like that he would have to prove himself to get $20M for next year, only to do the same thing before reaching free agency. He either wanted a big extension or to promise to decline the option.

I could even live with him not always hustling plays out and needing an occasional "mental health day" and sitting out of the lineup, it was always a compromise I made for loving his production. What he did, though, was too much, and I am much happier with Bay now and can't wait to move on in the playoffs and into next year.

Casanova: Keith Law has commented on this a lot of times, basically stating race is still an underlying issue in the game.

Cubs Land: How do you know how hard Soriano worked? (Or maybe if he followed Manny's offseason regimen he wouldn't have gotten hurt. OMG!)


(And in my above post, it should be "renowned", not "renounced".)

"I honestly wonder if people would be so hard on him if he were white instead of hispanic."

The new argument about racism, if someone's not white, it's ok to speculate there's underlying racism in criticism. Rather that it being just criticism.

If I were Walt Jocketty I'd give Furcal whatever he wanted to get him in Cincy. Gonzalez is not reliable and Keppinger is a utility player and does not have the range to play short. If the Reds could get Furcal that takes care of the shorstop problem and leadoff problem. The reds are content with their rotation going into next year where the money they have to spend this winter wont have to be on pitching like years past so why not give it to furcal and then call up detroit and see what it will take to get Magglio from them.

Furcal - ss
Dickerson / Stubbs - cf
Votto - 1st
Maggs - LF
Bruce - RF
Phillips - 2nd
EE - 3rd
Hanigan - C

Volquez
Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Bailey / Micah / Thompson / Rameriez / Maloney

"wants to add an offensive player (a hitter, not a guy who offends)."

Tim makes a funny.

wow, that was a dry Q&A Tim. Were you hungover or just tired of answering the same questions over and over?

An MLB team up for sale is a blurb in an 'Odds and Ends' post? No analysis of what this means going forward?

"The new argument about racism, if someone's not white, it's ok to speculate there's underlying racism in criticism."

I believe this is the new counter: nothing can be racist because we can always simply claim that everyone is too PC and label everything as racist. Sometimes the label applies, sometimes it doesn't. I'll take the word of an insider like Law over the opinions of you or me.

To the Q&A, I'd much rather see NY go after Sabathia and Burnett if for no other reason than it guarantees that no top tier FA pitching would head to Boston. Sabathia and Lowe, like you said, leaves open the very real possibility of Burnett heading to Fenway.

If Moores sells 49% of the Padres, he would be the majority owner anymore as Alderson owns a part of the club (probably more than 2%). Maybe this is how Mark Cuban gets his MLB team?

Sorry - typo
Moores would NOT be the majority owner anymore.

If only Mark Cuban would sweep in and make Moores a huge offer for the entire team.

I agree with you redsfan that Furcal could solve two problems for the reds(leadoff and shortstop) but I don't think it looks like Maggs is going to be a viable option for LF. Jim Leyland loves him way too much and it looks like the reds would have to give up a lot more than he would be worth.

how does the padres are up for sale not get its own thread?

moores will not even be close to majority ownership. here is some para-phrasing from gaslmapball.com and forbes.com...

John Moores bought 80% of the Padres in 1994. Selling 49% of 80% wil leave Moores with 39.2%

Sweet!!!!!

I hope that he sells his share to someone with lots of money and also likes to spend it...maybe they won't have to cut payroll afterall...YES!!!!

Seattle needs less cooks in the kitchen - not more. This looks to be a case of a team president who also wants to play GM. Sorry.

Hire the best GM and let them architect the franchise. Too many decision makers will kill the process.

San Diego ownership should have gotten its own post, but there really isnt a lot of info in that article to justify it. Second, is that Becky also owns half of the Moores share in the Padres, so she is not selling just John. I believe that they together own just over 95% of the Padres (trying to find the actually number, no luck yet).

Their daughter Jen, also has a stake in the Padres i believe.

Assault of a Red Sox employee (an older one, at that) is a criminal offense, and Manny ought to have been prosecuted, and put in jail. Whatever else is Manny being Manny, that alone had to punch his ticket out of Boston, and makes employing him questionable for anyone else.

"moores will not even be close to majority ownership. here is some para-phrasing from gaslmapball.com and forbes.com...

John Moores bought 80% of the Padres in 1994. Selling 49% of 80% wil leave Moores with 39.2%"

Selling 49% of 80% would leave him with 40.8%, not 39.2%. And unless he sells it to someone who already has at least a 1.8% ownership stake, he's still the majority owner.

No yanksfan...you are forgetting that Becky owns half of that 80% stake...

And too boot, Becky is the reason he bought that stake in the first place.

the fact that people are still hating on manny is laughable. the fact that cubs fans are doing it is pathetic given your exit from the playoffs.

the fact that we're taking anything joel sherman writes seriously is pure stupidity.

Actually, now that I'm reading the article rather than just the comments here, it says Moore is selling 49% of the Padres, not 49% of his share. So he's left with 31%, not the numbers mentioned before.

And there's not enough detail in the article to say how Becky plays into it. The ownership stake is in his name, not both. He may owe Becky 50% of the value of his share of the team, but that doesn't mean she actually gets any of the team. That stuff gets worked out in the divorce details.

Yea so half of what he finacially gets for selling 49% of his 80% of the team goes to his wife. So maybe that 180 mil or so is what the extra liquidity he needs to make the divorce final.

either way there will be a new majority owner!

Why the hell would the Cubs sign Manny? were would we put him in left? then were do put Soriano? They should try to sign Texiera if the Cubs cant, then I would see if could trade Lee. Why not see if the Yankees would take lee for Damon, then sign Giambi to a one year contract? But please Cub fans stop thinking about signing Manny

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