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Odds and Ends: Beltran, Brewers, Padres

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I'm not sure which part is more funny, the fact that Jones thinks he should be the everyday center fielder for the Dodgers or that he actually thinks some team would trade for him.

Wait a second, Andruw Jones wants a starting job next year? That guy needs to go back to AAA and learn how to hit before he can start in the MLB.

ha, I think every Cleveland sports writer thinks the Tribe should trade for Brian Roberts......easier said than done though....

For argument sake, how much $$$ would the Dodgers have to eat in order to move Jones? My numbers show that he is owed around $21 mil for his '09 season. Im guessing they would have to eat half of that (if not more), and to top it off receive little in return.

"how much $$$ would the Dodgers have to eat in order to move Jones?"

Well lets put it this way, teams that can afford Jones already have someone they'd prefer to play over him. Teams that can't afford Jones would require a lot of money to take him on... So in this hypothetical question, likely all of it.

Could Andruw Jones become a low dollar...low risk, high reward..signing...for the Cubs?

"Could Andruw Jones become a low dollar...low risk, high reward..signing...for the Cubs?"

Please God, no.

(Though to be fair, I did say the same thing about Edmonds...)

For a team like the Cubs, where money is not really an issue, they should always make moves like that. If it doesn't work out, oh well, just release him.

Do the White Sox have what it takes to make the Mets an offer for Carlos Beltran? Maybe Javier Vazquez, Chris Getz, Mike MacDougal for Carlos Beltran.

"Do the White Sox have what it takes to make the Mets an offer for Carlos Beltran? Maybe Javier Vazquez, Chris Getz, Mike MacDougal for Carlos Beltran."

Maybe not. Beltran is the Mets best, and most inexpendable player. Where are the Mets replacing that CF production next year going into their new stadium where they want to compete for a world series?

How about the Mets trade Claudio Vargas, Aaron Heilman and Argenis Reyes for Jon Danks? Didn't think so.

Why don't the Yankees go after Andruw Jones? They could certainly afford him. It is a one year commitment, and maybe he regains his form? What is wrong with this guy? How do you go from a perrenial .260/.350/.510 guy to a complete bum?

But the Yankees could probably get this guy for literally nothing, and hey, it isn't like he would be blocking somebody else. You can stick him down in the order. If he regains some of his old form, how would 35 HR's and gold glove defense look in centerfield? If it doesn't work out, then you made a 15 million dollar mistake over one year. It wouldn't be the first time. He also wouldn't kill the team even if he bombed, because he would still produce more then Melky Cabrera, who been the Yankee CF on playoff teams before. What's the downside?

"What's the downside?"

they dont need to take that risk. they could use the money elsewhere and just use what they have. if theyre just looking for a stopgap until jackson can take over they may aswell live with Gardner and Cabrera.

"My numbers show that he is owed around $21 mil for his '09 season."

Jones is owed $15 million next year. Remember that his contract included a huge signing bonus.

If Jones actually shows something in Winter Ball, I can see a team taking a flier on him if half his contract is paid and they don't have to give anything up.

Honest question: i havent seen him play in a while , how good is his defense now?

What are the worst contracts out there? Andruw Jones? Julio Lugo? Dontrelle Willis? Wonder if any chance 2 of those lugs can be traded for one another this off season if reality can be forced upon them that they ARE NOT starters anymore in Lugo and Jone's case and Willis needs to learn pitching 101 all over again.

Do the White Sox have what it takes to make the Mets an offer for Carlos Beltran? Maybe Javier Vazquez, Chris Getz, Mike MacDougal for Carlos Beltran.

Umm, excuse me? Don't just look at the big contract and think a team can have Beltran for scraps. Not every big contract is bad. Beltran is one of the best CFs in the game and a marquee player on the Mets. I'm thinking Beltran's untouchable.

A Beltran trade would have to involve at least one of John Danks, Aaron Poreda, or Gordon Beckham.

"Andruw Jones wants a trade if he's not a starter next year"

LMAO.

What if 30 of 30 MLB teams wouldn't start him? I can't think of a single starting OF who's worse than Jones was in 2008. He's SOL.

In all seriousness, Dodgers are eating pretty much all money to move Jones.

umm...on the first comment I made, there needs to be quotes around the first two lines.

Great pickup by the padres. Can't believe the giants just let him go. Padres always seem to pick up players who are undervalued. Haeger,denker and gerut will cost nothing and will be productive players for some time.

joemorgan- Exactly.

Very very stupid move by Sabean IMO. Denker's minor league numbers are decent enough that he should at least get another shot, especially on an offensively decrepit(no offense to fans) team like the Giants.

Same with Rajai Davis (DFA'd by Giants, stole 29 bases with the A's and was a valuable defensive sub/pinch runner, although he didn't hit much at all...had value off the bench and in the field).

Listen I've Been a Die Hard Mets Fan since 2000 but if the Mets trade Carlos Beltran I will literally stop watching Mets games. Why in the hell would you trade your best outfielder he is a gold glove outfielder and a good clutch hitter. The only thing people keep thinking about is when he struck out with the bases loaded in game 7 of the NLCS. well for your information Cliff Floyd struck out too ya know.. I would never trade Beltran and whats with this breaking up the core....

Why would you want to break up the core entering the new ballpark its like so freaking ridiculous. If Omar trades Beltran he is a dumbass just like the time when he gave up kazmir for the biggest garbage Victor Zambrano who cried like a little bitch when his arm died on him, after tommy john surgery we never see this garbage again... Thank You Omar don't pull of a stupid trade

"Honest question: i havent seen him play in a while , how good is his defense now?"

His defense was terrible this year. I couldn't believe how many people took extra bases on him this year.

"The only thing people keep thinking about is when he struck out with the bases loaded in game 7 of the NLCS."

People still criticize him for that? I watched that game, that pitch was one of the best curve balls I'd seen in awhile. Albert Pujols wouldn't have hit that pitch even if it had been thrown by Brad Lidge.

But if the Mets got a good enough package for Beltran... well anyone should be available for the right price.

1. beltran isn't going anywhere. why? because he IS THE BEST CF IN THE GAME offensively and defensively and more importantly, can you say "full no trade clause"? i know you can!

2. the white sox trade proposal above is beyond laughable.

About Beltran's no trade clause, do you remember what happened in the hours before the Mets signed him? He begged the Yankees to sign him and said he would take less money. The Mets were his fat girl at closing time.

If Andruw Jones batted lefthanded, it would indeed make sense for the Cubs to take him off the Dodgers hands, provided of course that LA picked up about $12M of the $15M he's due. That said, I suspect Jones will still stink in winter ball and spring training, and will then get released. If anybody should risk getting suspended for using 'roids, it's this guy. He ought to hit the juice and buy some corked bats...

"because he IS THE BEST CF IN THE GAME offensively and defensively and more importantly"

Josh Hamilton is a better offensive player than he is. There are a few that are better defensivly too.

I do agree that trading Beltran, Wright, or Reyes is a stupid move though.

I think if a small market team could get the Dodgers to take at least 12 of the 15MM he is owed it would be a wise decision take the Nationals for example, if the only pay this guy 3MM dollars for 1 year on a non-competitive team what is it really going to hurt them? Besides it is the only way I see him getting a starting job he doesn't stand a chance of getting one on a large market team. Side note: If you wondered where all the weight Miguel Cabrera lost went look know further because he gave it to Andruw Jones.

That last part should read:

Side note: If you wondered where all the weight Miguel Cabrera lost went, look no further because he gave it to Andruw Jones.

umm buc, that was a great second half your boy hamilton had this year...

let's see him do it consistently for ten years before we say he's better, mmkay.

aznxjapboiz: Scott Kazmir was traded by then-Mets GM Jim Duquette. Omar Minaya was hired the next winter. Don't hate Minaya because you're an idiot.

"they dont need to take that risk. they could use the money elsewhere and just use what they have. if theyre just looking for a stopgap until jackson can take over they may aswell live with Gardner and Cabrera."

What risk? There is literally no risk. None whatsoever.

"About Beltran's no trade clause, do you remember what happened in the hours before the Mets signed him? He begged the Yankees to sign him and said he would take less money. The Mets were his fat girl at closing time."

Yeah, and now the Yankees are stuck with the dirty little whore with a bunch of STD's playing CF. Melky Cabrera. Joke's on who?

Josh Hamilton played like 50 games away from CF. His OPS + was only a couple of points better. Bottom line, Beltran is the best CF in baseball. Or the second best if you prefer Grady Sizemore. They're both elite. There are no other CF's in their class right now.

"Yeah, and now the Yankees are stuck with the dirty little whore with a bunch of STD's playing CF. Melky Cabrera. Joke's on who?"

LMAO.

"Josh Hamilton is a better offensive player than he is."

1 - Hamilton is not a true CF, he is a RF who can play CF if needed

2 - You do realize their batting lines are nearly identical, Beltran is faster and was producing like this while Hamilton was still on all night coke benders, right?

Their is no way the Mets are trading Beltran...Yea i'm sure they'll listen to offers,but they aren't trading him unless they get an offer they can't refuse,he's one of the top CF in baseball and he also has a no trade clause so he gets to decide where he goes.

Carlos Beltran OPS+ 118
Torii Hunter OPS+ 105

Good comparison on Ichiro too, seeing as how Ichiro has started only 266 out of 1093 career games in CF.

Beltran is definetely an elite cf but he could also be dealt for the right price. Bet you beltran would be available if toronto offered Halladay. Regardless he does have a full no trade clause.

P.S. jump off Hamilton ( Beltran has him by a few years of productivity- both offensively and defensively )

",nice tag for someone who is ridiculing josh hamilton. you are a spineless ignorant moron for saying what you did about a man with more conviction and strength than a coward like you. hide behind your computer and pray someone close to you never has to battle an addiction you toad!"

AA are my initials. That said, given that you too are sitting behind a computer and have no idea what you are talking about, I don't think you can exactly call me out on anything. Sure, the post was a little harsh toward Hamilton, but it was the honest truth and it isn't like Hamilton is the greatest guy in the world, given how he just dumped the agent who stood by him through all those years.

"Hamilton, sizemore, ichiro, and hunter are all better than beltran."

No. First, Hamilton does not have near Beltran's track record and isn't a true CF. Hunter is great, but essentially functions as Beltran-lite. Sizemore is a great young star, but also doesn't have as many years of production. Ichiro is a completely different player.

The point is there is no one player that can offer the speed, power, defense, and arm that Beltran can. He is the most complete cf in baseball. End argument.

who in their right mind would take Melky Cabrera over Beltran. I wouldn't even take Melky over Milledge or Carlos Gomez.

"hunter and ichiro are much better defensively than beltran and sizemore and hamilton are better offensively."

As great as Hunter is, he is not better than Beltran. Beltran's +/-, RF/9 and arm are all better than Hunter. Ichiro is a defensive genius, but his skill set is more suited to RF than CF. As for Hamilton, again, he is a RF masquerading as a CF, and his arm is no match for that of Beltran. With Grady, he is a great offensive talent, but hasn't been around as long and his great dives mask a below-average arm in the outfield.

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