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Next up in our Offseason Outlook series, the Angels. Here's how their 25-man roster might look using only internal candidates:
C - Mike Napoli - $425K
C - Jeff Mathis - $415K
1B - Kendry Morales - $600K
2B - Howie Kendrick - $433K
SS - Erick Aybar - $415K
3B - Brandon Wood - $400K
IF - Maicer Izturis - $1.2MM+
IF/OF - Robb Quinlan - $1.05MM+
LF - Chone Figgins - $4.75MM+
CF - Torii Hunter - $17.5MM
RF - Gary Matthews Jr. - $10MM
OF - Reggie Willits - $433K
DH/OF - Vladimir Guerrero - $15MM (club option)
SP - John Lackey - $9MM (club option)
SP - Ervin Santana - $420K+
SP - Jered Weaver - $435K
SP - Joe Saunders - $425K
SP - Dustin Moseley - $420K
RP - Scot Shields - $5MM
RP - Jose Arredondo - $400K
RP - Justin Speier - $4.75MM
RP - Jason Bulger - $400K
RP - Kevin Jepsen - $400K
RP - Darren O'Day - $400K
RP -
Other commitments: Garret Anderson - $3MM, Kelvim Escobar - $9.5MM (ready by All-Star break?)
That's about $87MM committed, plus arbitration raises to Izturis, Quinlan, Figgins, and Santana. So that'll put them in the low $90MM range. The Angels were at $124MM this year. Owner Arte Moreno wants to keep payroll there, but could make exceptions for the right players. We'll say they have at least $30MM to spend, maybe more.
Three star players/free agents should be under consideration: Mark Teixeira, Francisco Rodriguez, and C.C. Sabathia. Teixeira makes the most sense, especially since Morales' '08 minor league line translates to a .740 OPS in the bigs. Given their .330 team OBP, the Angels could really use Tex's .400.
Losing both K-Rod and Darren Oliver would hurt the pen; the Angels will probably bring in some kind of veteran help. With Escobar slated to miss a good chunk of '09, one more starter is also needed. It'd be tough to cram Tex and Sabathia into the budget, but the free agent market offers plenty of other starters.
I know the Angels have their own run-scoring style, but it's hard to argue against getting on base more often. With that in mind I'd make Tex top priority. With the DH spot semi-open, I'd also consider Milton Bradley. Brian Giles, Adam Dunn, Magglio Ordonez, Jason Giambi, Prince Fielder, Bobby Abreu, and Pat Burrell are other big names who get on base. (Manny Ramirez fits as well, though it'd have to be him instead of Teixeira rather than both).
$30-40MM is a lot of spending money, though $20MM+ ('09 salary) could go toward Teixeira or Sabathia. I might take my chances with the fifth starter job and bring in Teixeira and another high-OBP player.
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My money is on K-Rod and Tex coming back.
I don't think that K-Rod is going to get anywhere near his 5/75 dream unless it's coming from the Mets. If the Mets go after Fuentes who's left to shell out $10m+ on a closer? The Angels might be able to land K-Rod as a "bargain" with like a 4/48 type deal. That would pay him close to what I would consider his real value to be.
If you go that route and resign Tex to a 6/110 deal you still have $10m or so to play with. I would love to see if Dunn is possible with a 4/60 type deal. If so, you bump payroll slightly or you sell off other items like Matthews (after kicking in a chunk of money).
That could leave the team with a lineup of:
Figgins (3B)
Aybar (SS)
Tex (1B)
Dunn (LF/DH)
Guerrero (RF/DH)
Hunter (CF)
Napoli (C)
Kendrick (2B)
Matthews/Willits/Rivera (DH/OF)
Pitching staff loses Garland but we hopefully gain Escobar. Relief core would stay the same.
You still have flexibility by being able to trade Wood or Aybar. Izturis provides strong back up play at 3 infield positions. Morales can be used as trade bait to fill in Oliver's role.
Finally, I am by no means suggesting that we WILL land all of these pieces. I do think there is a pretty good chance though that you could see a team like this.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 15, 2008 at 05:59 PM
Ideally, I would want the Angels to sign Teixeira, and I think it's a very good possibility.
I don't think they'll make a run at the Dunns or Burrells of the world, although Dunn would be a pretty good fit.
Here's what my lineup would look like without Dunn:
Figgins LF
Kendrick 2B
Teixeira 1B
Guerrero RF/DH
Napoli C
Hunter CF
Morales DH/RF
Wood 3B
Izturis/Aybar SS
Here's with Dunn:
Figgins 3B
Kendrick 2B
Teixeira 1B
Guerrero DH/RF
Dunn LF
Napoli C
Hunter CF
Morales RF/DH
Wood SS
Obviously, I like that lineup better, and we could then use Izturis and Aybar for trade bait (maybe a 5th starter?)
Posted by: bseballcrzy17 | October 15, 2008 at 07:11 PM
Dunn doesn't fit well into the Angels system. There is value there, but not in a system that relies on contact and hustle.
Also, the Angels have been pretty clear that they want Figgins to play 3B and stay there, because they feel his defense is at a GG level now (the numbers say it as well). That said, if Figgins were to be put in the OF, and you assume GMJ gets more OF reps, then you are better off putting Figgins in RF, if you don't have Vlad there, where his stronger arm is more valuable.
Ignoring those points for now, and assuming the Angels get Tex back, I think the line up looks like this:
Figgins 3B
Aybar/Izturis SS
Teixeira 1B
Guerrero RF/DH
Hunter CF
Napoli C
Morales/Wood DH/RF - DH/3B/SS
Kendrick 2B
Matthews LF
And the Staff without K-Rod but resigned Oliver:
SP - Lackey
SP - Santana
SP - Saunders
SP - Weaver
SP - Adenhart/Green/Moseley
CL - Arredondo
RP - Shields
RP - Speier
RP - Jepsen
RP - O'Day
RP - Moseley/Adenhart/Green
With K-Rod, everyone moves down a notch.
Now, that would leave the Angels with money to spend, so would think they could make a move or two. Here is an interesting one:
GMJ + Nick Adenhart for Delmon Young
Young fits the Scioscia/Hatcher system perfectly and the Angels could probably get away with paying about half of GMJ's contract, assuming he waives his NTC. Then the lineup is as follows.
Figgins 3B
Young LF/RF
Teixeira 1B
Guerrero RF/DH
Hunter CF
Napoli C
Morales/Wood DH/RF - DH/3B/SS
Kendrick 2B
Aybar/Izturis SS
At that point, perhaps the Angels could sign a Greg Maddux or Randy Johnson to be the 5th starter. Or perhaps sign a solid number 3 like Oliver Perez and move Weaver.
Posted by: AA | October 15, 2008 at 09:02 PM
I am an orioles fan and I want wood! How about huff. Could free up some money for the angels and give the O's somebody for that hole on the left side.
Posted by: joemorgan=#1 | October 15, 2008 at 09:03 PM
"I am an orioles fan and I want wood! How about huff. Could free up some money for the angels and give the O's somebody for that hole on the left side."
Free up money? How? Wood will make $400K next year, and for the next 3 years in all likelihood. Huff isn't worth Wood.
Given what the O's need, perhaps an Adenhart + Wood for Roberts deal would work, with Kendrick moving positions.
Posted by: AA | October 15, 2008 at 09:25 PM
bjsguess:
The problem is that I'm pretty sure you won't get Tex for 6/$110. If that's what the Angels offer then he'll be in pinstripes.
I think he'll get close to what he turned down from the Rangers: 8 years, $140MM. Maybe he won't get that 8th year, but I think Tex will get close to the $140 mark.
Posted by: Something Profound | October 15, 2008 at 09:36 PM
AA:
Why would the Twins trade Delmon Young, a man they wanted so badly they were willing to trade a former #1 Pick for him, for an over the hill Gary Matthews Junior(who again would want this guy besides the Angels?) and a pitching prospect? A solid pitching prospect, yes, but the Twins aren't in any dire need for starters.
Delmon Young is going absolutely nowhere.
Posted by: Colin | October 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM
AA
I meant if they don't resign tex.
Posted by: joemorgan=#1 | October 15, 2008 at 11:26 PM
AA -
here's the problem... the Angels' current system doesn't work anymore. oh sure, it'll win you division titles, but it does NOTHING in the postseason, and we've seen that post-2002.
it's time for the Angels to cut back from the small ball tactics and swing more toward the power. i'm not suggesting that we should totally abandon the running game, but rather balance it out, and even lean more toward power and patience.
hence, Dunn and Tex being great pickups.
Posted by: bseballcrzy17 | October 15, 2008 at 11:51 PM
i still say i'd go for sabathia over tex. still think that's a ton of money and time for an excellent hitter, but not one "lifts" a team. the angels look to me like a talented team without enough spark. hunter added some, but evidently they need even more.
in other words, there's enough twists here that proves it isn't "add that one ingredient" and the cake is good as baked
some thoughts:
• starters group is deep but without an ace of aces (so, sign sabathia with a deal for Fielder; or sign tex and make a deal for peavy)
• go waaaaay outside. (kendrick, wood, willits moseley, mathis to .... wait for it ... the PIRATES for adam laroche, freddy sanchez, nate mclouth, andrew mccutcheon, duke)
... crazy, man crazy, but even at that makes more sense than the eternal angel-fan favourite of "GMJ and" player X for team X's best player
Posted by: crash | October 16, 2008 at 12:00 AM
If Tex is going to be 7/140 then let the Yankees have him. He is a very good 1B and did great for the Angels. I just don't think $20m/year for 7 or 8 years makes any sense.
Same goes with CC. If you can nab him for 6/120 then you do it. Otherwise let someone else overspend.
And while the Angels traditionally haven't valued a high OBP lineup there is no reason to think they won't change their focus. I think Tex really opened up everyone's eyes to the potential of having guys on base in front of Vlad.
I do think Dunn/Burrell make a lot of sense for the Halos, with or without Tex.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 16, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Crash: that pirate trade is honestly pretty close to GMJ plus prospect for some teams top player. McCuthen and Mclouth are pretty much untouchable. Mathis and Moseley do nothing for the pirates. The Bucs need young starting pitching and that would be the only way Mclouth ever gets dealt. Kendrick is great but sanchez is ok not really a need postion. Wood is a need b/c i'm sure the Bucs would love to move Wilson, but not at the cost of their best prospect.
Posted by: Steveo26 | October 16, 2008 at 12:44 AM
An Angels/Pirates trade that may be a win-win would be if the Angels can't re-sign K-Rod, the should trade Sean Rodriguez for Matt Capps. Capps gives them a closer of the future and Sean Rodriguez, who's blocked, gives the Pirates a much needed middle infielder of the future.
Posted by: Varmit | October 16, 2008 at 08:30 AM
Tim would be much better served if he assigned these Outlooks to a blogger of the team that actually knows something.
These outlooks are all vague and very thin.
Posted by: Josh | October 16, 2008 at 09:25 AM
"I meant if they don't resign tex."
Even if they don't resign Tex, that would be WAY too much for Huff.
"here's the problem... the Angels' current system doesn't work anymore. oh sure, it'll win you division titles, but it does NOTHING in the postseason, and we've seen that post-2002."
The 2008 ALDS wasn't won with hitting, it was won with pitching (Game 2 being the exception).
Further, it isn't like the team doesn't have power hitters.
"hence, Dunn and Tex being great pickups."
Tex - A great defensive infield player who can hit for average and power, has an excellent eye, switch hits and, while not fast, is a very good base runner = A good re-sign
Dunn - A terrible defensive player who hits only for power, is frighteningly bad against LHP, is not much of a base runner on a team full of outfielders = A bad signing.
Posted by: AA | October 16, 2008 at 04:21 PM
1-John Lackey
2-Ervin Santana
3-Joe Saunders
4-Jon Garland(Sign)
5- Jered Weaver
LP – Justin Speier
RP – Darren Oliver(sign)
RP – Jose Arrendondo
RP- Shane Loux
SU – Scot Shields
CL – K-ROD(Sign)
3rd Chone Figgins
SS Macier Izturis
1st Mark Texiera(Sign)
DH Vlad Guerrero
C Mike Napoli
CF Tori Hunter
RF Juan Rivera(Sign)
2nd Howie Kendrick
LF Reggie Willits
Bench: Gary Matthews Jr., Jeff Mathis, Rob Quinlan, Erik Aybar, Kendry Morales
All-Star Break: Kelvim Escobar
Possible Middle Relievers: Jespen, O’Day, Bulger
Trade: Bootcheck, Moseley
I don't think Izturis gets enough kudos on here. Brandon Wood/Sean Rodriguez/Morales aren't ready to be full time guys. Rivera needs a REAL shot at a full season starting spot. I'd like to see Garland signed again because he has hit nearly 200 innings every year. I believe this past season was 190 something innings. Adrenhart(finished triple a with of 5.00 ERA) or anyone else in the minors isn't ready for a full time starting job. I think Bootcheck and Moseley have had ample opprotunities and can't hack it at a major league level. We need our lefty specialist in Oliver and K-Rod to close it down. I don't think we need a Sabbathia or any Ultra Ace in our rotation. It's already four solid(if they don't sign Garland)
Posted by: cuscus85 | October 16, 2008 at 04:42 PM
it's game 1 of the world series. do you want to send a "solid guy" to the mound.
sure, solid guys can and do win. but that's when a team has clutch hitting
Posted by: crash | October 16, 2008 at 05:26 PM
i'm going out there again:
peavy and kouzmanoff for
kendrick
wood
willits
weaver
moseley
pads want to rebuild but don't have much depth to do it with (if it wasn't for the rookie hazing of jon daniels, they'd have next to nothing)
Posted by: crash | October 16, 2008 at 05:40 PM
I am not getting why anyone is proposing re-signing Jon Garland. He is going to want likely more money than what Lohse got, and that is not worth it. Besides, Weaver is a more than capable 4th starter, as he is really a number 3 quality guy. The 5th starter can be almost anyone.
"it's game 1 of the world series. do you want to send a "solid guy" to the mound."
Who in the world do you think is going to pitch in the WS? John Lackey, the guy who pitched at least as well as C.C. Sabathia last year when he won the Cy Young. That's a bona fide ace, and he has Ervin Santana behind him.
Posted by: AA | October 16, 2008 at 05:58 PM
"The 2008 ALDS wasn't won with hitting, it was won with pitching (Game 2 being the exception)."
That's exactly my point! Lackey makes one mistake, it's game over. If an of our pitchers failed in the slightest, our offense couldn't do anything to bring them back into it! We need more offense, more power!
Posted by: bseballcrzy17 | October 17, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Angels can't do much except resign Teixeria, K-Rod, Garland. They have a really good team and young. Their farm system is one of the best in the bigs. Angels just got beat by Boston. Angels will be the favorites in the west again unless Texas adds pitching.
Posted by: futurescout119 | October 22, 2008 at 03:04 PM
HEY LosAngeles California Angels of OrangeCounty Anaheim ...... guess what ....the yankees are gonna take away your first basemen....and then the f*gg*T mets are gonna take your closer.....hahahahaha
Posted by: TheBigNewYorkeR | November 04, 2008 at 01:15 AM
HEY LosAngeles California Angels of OrangeCounty Anaheim ......ahhhhahahaha....looks like i was 100% correct ohhh i love it.....the yanks TOOK AWAY YOUR MARK TEXIERA....AND THE F*GG*T METS TOOK YOUR CLOSER.....oh you small market teams so so petty so incignifigant
Posted by: TheBigNewYorkeR | December 23, 2008 at 02:36 PM
ahhhhahaaha you can't beat the Angels during the season nor can you beat them during the off-season hahhhhhhhhaaah
Your team only consists of mercernaries who only care about the money and could care less about you suckered New York fans.
What happened to all those Yankees championships?
Haven't won one in almost a decade with all this money!
Those 4 championships in 5 years were won without stars and for a lot less money.
Your high market team is a joke hhhahaahaha!
Posted by: XxRyana.k.a.RufusxX | January 02, 2009 at 08:36 PM