Peavy Trade Talks Begin

would the padres be interested in

todd frazier - very solid bat , doesnt really have a true position at the moment could play ss , 1st , lf , 2nd

juan francisco - legit power bat still needs to work on his plate discipline , strong arm currently playing 3rd but could move to a corner of spot

homer bailey - hasnt put it together at the big leagues yet but has regained his velocity sitting at 96 in his last start in the aaa playoffs

josh roenicke - bp arm who sits around 95 and can touch 98 to 99

and another low level prospect or 2

he has a no trade clause. Would he rather play in Atlanta (having troubles there) or the cubs (who won 97 games)??

where ya think?

cubs land .... you gotta have the guys to land peavy thats the thing and the cubs do not

Both the Braves and the Brewers have the prospects for a deal if they are so inclined. Cubs fans are kidding themselves. Offering up Marquis, Pie etc. is like sitting at the poker table with a "10 high" hand when other players have full-houses and flushes.

cubs wont get him i know that..we need a hitter but anyways Peavy wants to play for a winning team dont you think?

Keeping the big names out could the braves use hernandez, kelly johnson, cody johnson, jeff francis, roghburgh (sp), and chuck james/jo jo reyes?? Thats 6 players just like the Haren deal with diamondbacks.

LOL at "cubs land", yeah the Cubs were great during the REGULAR season, but they're still a joke when the postseason comes around.

Bottomline, Atlanta is closer to his home and it's also a smaller market than Chicago. And it's not like the Braves do not put together a competitive team at the beginning of every season over the last 15+ years. And when you compare the two farm systems, it's not even close as to who has the deeper one.

And like I said before, an offer consisting of Hernandez, B. Jones, Morton/Rohrbough, and Lillibridge is a pretty good haul for Peavy (an ace, but also one suspect to injury).

LOL at me? HOW i said peavy wont come t the cubs and YES the CUBS CHOCKED this year...HORRIBLE! but i am just saying dont you think he wants to play for a winning team? What do the Reds offer? Dusty?!? thats a joke

and the reds have a better chance at winning a world series than the cubs ... i mean whats it been now 500 years .. so does peavy want a chance a world series or be on the biggest joke of a franchise in sports history

to win the World Series you must first get into the playoffs. That means you must be over .500 and beat the top teams in the NL. Sorry Redsfan

good one citron1616. When did i say the cubs are the best?! THEY CHOCKED I KNOW IT WAS HORRIBLE OKAY! THEY DIDNT DESERVE TO WIN A GAME THEY SUCKED! okay...stop talking about the cubs i get it also do all Cubs fans. i am just saying Peavy will want to go to a winner.

Yep, if they add Peavy, they should still have enough to go out and get a left fielder with some pop. Guys like Abreu, Dunn and Burrell come to mind. My preference would probably be Dunn since we really don't need a high average since Francoeur is the only regular that has trouble hitting over .250. However it frightens me to have two base clogger in the everyday lineup (Mac and Dunn).

I think people really over value people wanting to play near home. With all the time spent on the road and at the park and in the weight room and in the video room and in the batting cage (etc.), there is hardly any time to be wherever it is you call home anyways. Sure, i'm sure it's nice to sleep in your own bed on the days you do get a chance to go there, but there's not a great deal of difference between the two scenarios.

And with the Braves essentially in the middle of a rebuild and continuing down that path with a number of aging players, would Peavy be willing to spend the prime years of his career on a rebuilding team who is not likely to compete for a championship for the next number of years just so that he is close to home?

Reds winniner %:
-.457
-.494
-.451
-.469
-.426
-.414

What do the Reds have that well make them into a NL contender? Dusty? HAHA

Redsfan: DO I HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN: THE CUBS WILL NOT GET HIM.. im talking as a baseball fan. he will not want to go there. (look at the winner %). he will go to the Braves if he goes anywhere

Talking baseball with a cubs fan is like talking to a wet newspaper. Even if it did ever have something good say, you just don't wanna read it anyways.

you dont want to hear it cuz u know the reds will never be a winning team. Man just face it. You had a winner % in Spring Training CONGRATS!

i dont know alot about the braves but readin about them from people they have good talent that is how i am saying if he goes anywhere, he will go there.

Oh, btw cubs land, my experiences with cubs fans have always been pretty positive. They always invade the Ted when the cubbies come to town and I've had some good, sane, baseball conversations with some cubs folks. It probably doesn't hurt that they're one of my "other" teams. WGN + Primestar = closet cubs fan in rural Gerogia.

cubsland....the reds are up and coming unlike the cubs who waste money on garbage players ( fukodome ) all reds fan are happy with the direction the team is going. having walt jocketty as gm who is proven and willing to make trades to improve the team and an owner who wants to win . young players coming through the system like bruce , cueto , trading for volqeuz , votto ( who put up better numbers than ur precious soto in a worse lineup ) trading griffey and dunn , the reds are going in the right direction and if you say your a " baseball " fan you would know the reds are a up and coming team

ChiTownCubbies, I like the effort. Really, I do. But if you're going for an epic troll, it's got to at least be believable.

And redsfan, there's probably less of a chance of Peavy going to Cinci. than there is of him going to Chicago.

The reds are completely rebuilding (although they are getting closer) and they can't draw any fans. Not to mention, Great American Ballpark is the exact opposite of PetCo Park and no pitcher wants to go there to play if he can help it.

i think there is a better chance he goes to the reds than the cubs ... i dont think he goes to either i think he stays or goes to the braves but the reds have the pieces if they wanted to i just dont see the cubs with the pieces i mean Pie ? seriously

and i disagree with completely rebuilding i just dont see how you say that .. by trading griffey ? griffey was a bum with the reds getting rid of him was an upgrade .. trading dunn ? who couldnt bring a runner in unless he hit a hr and was horrible with runners in scoring position . by letting bako and patterson walk ? the rotation still has arroyo , harang the pen still has a solid closer . still have phillips. walt has said he is looking for rh run producer to trade for this offseason . i just dont agree with your completely rebuilding statement

"Right...and I talked to Jake's brother's best friends wife's sister who said that Peavy thinks the Cubs are quite possibly the worst franchise in the history of all of sports. Also, Jake happens to be a fan of goats and plays fantasy football with Steve Bartman."

Amen brother. I love these posts where somebody "knows someone". I didnt think it was possible after last offseason, but chitowncubbies is proving to be as ridiculous as cubs land was last year. This guy, cubs land, cubs forever, cubbies 2008, nancy echo should get their own website and call it " were the cubs and were getting everyone we want because we can". 24/7 of every possible trade scenario imagined involving the "great" Veal, Pie, Cedeno, Hill, Ceda, Marshall and whatever other nonsense they can throw at the wall. Where is Aduncaroo to put these people in their place?

You're the one who's gotta use profanity every other word in your response...but i'm the "internet gangster"?

Riiiigghhhtttt.....

Besides, the basement is so comfortable and mom makes me meatloaf whenever I want...and I burn easily so me and the sun don't mix well.

we'll your all acting like children, but the cubs are the best team in the NL even though they got beat, peavy would be nice but a left handed bat or 2 would be nice.

we need a real leadoff hitter i think we need to persue or trade for Rafael furcal or brian roberts who are both switch hitters, then put soriano in the 6 or 7 hole, then try to get adam dunn (i know he strikes out a lot but he hits over 40 homeruns and he walks over 100 times) put him at either 5,6,7.
what do yall think?

Texas certainly has the pieces to put up a good offer, but as was mentioned in the article, Peavy would only trade his no-clause for 3 AL teams and my guess would be that 2 of those teams reside in the AL East and the other isn't the Rangers.

forgot about the no-trade/no-AL, very true citron.

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the Cubs trade a guy like Derek Lee and replace him with Micah Hoffpauir at 1B. Lee demands $13M a year for 2009 and 2010.

The Cubs have a left-handed leadoff hitter . A very expensive one from Japan that is going to have to put together a good offseason and improve in a number of areas. The Cubs are now pretty much tied to him as an everyday player because of how much money they threw at him.

The other alternative, and one that I wouldn't be surpised to see the Cubs explore would be to see if the Orioles are interested in Derek Lee in some sort of exchange for Brian Roberts (I won't even pretend to be able to speculate on the rest of the details of such a trade). If that were to happen, the Cubs would then be able to insert Hoffpauir at 1B, Roberts at 2B and leadoff and then move DeRosa permanently to RF and have a very expensive bench player in Fukudome until he improves.

I hate the Cubs with a passion so hopefully this doesn't happen but there are a lot of great minds at work in baseball's front offices and i'm sure somebody has already "ground the gears" in thinking of a possibility such as this one.

Any team that calls has to have a few things.

1. deep farm system, willingness to part with a TON
2. $$$
3. Not in the NL WEST
4. 1 of 3 teams in the AL
5. Peavy has to want to be there

That eliminates a lot of teams that would be interested. Who is left after taking those things into account?

"Wow. Since when do the Brewers have Cain??"

Lorenzo Cain. Obviously I wouldn't be talking about the Cain from San Francisco. Are Mutz fans this dumb?

^ I don't think they have the payroll to fit Peavy's contract over the longhaul. But if it becomes known that the Twins are interested then I would definitely like to see them try and land Peavy.

Come on Scribble - the Angels don't want Lee at $13m/year when they can have Tex at $18m. Giving up Figgins creates 2 holes (leadoff and 3rd base).

On a related note. Just came across Keith Law's latest notes from the AFL. Here is his quote on a few notable Cub prospects (posted on Sunday):

"Cub left-hander Donald Veal looked bad in his outing Thursday, with well-below-average command of an 88-93 mph fastball, usually finishing his delivery with his head down so he couldn't see where the ball was going. He does have a solid-average curveball with a two-plane break, almost at a 45-degree angle to the ground, but he can't get to it when he's always behind in the count. Outfielder Tyler Colvin still projects to top out as a fourth outfielder; he has good bat speed but doesn't recognize offspeed pitches at all."

I know Cubs fans - Keith Law is an idiot who doesn't know anything. Save it. Just thought I would provide a recent evaluation of two names we see in every proposed Cubs trade. Turns out we aren't the only ones who are skeptical when it comes to Veal and Colvin.

What on earth would the Astros have to offer in a trade? They need everything they have and have quite a few offensive holes of their own. I think the Astros are going to target Ben Sheets to put at the top of that rotation with Oswalt.

I would imagine that Pence is untouchable as he is the future of that franchise. Catcher is the Astros' weakest position, not to mention that Towles is going to draw about zero interest around the league; there's not a lot of interest for a horribly undersized catcher who hit .137 last season.

Why would they have to face him twice a year for the next 5 years. For example, as I suggested that the Brewers could get involved, Peavy only faced them once this season.

Peavy wont go to the astros for 2 reasons. One is they have very little minor league talent compared to atlanta/milwaukee/cincinatti. Also, they arent looking for an ace in return, which Oswalt is. They would be much more interested in 2-3 ML ready players and a prospect or two.

Atlanta will NOT trade Escobar or Jurrjens. Along with Chipper and McCann these are the only non-tradable players.

I think a trade for Peavy could look like:

an infielder:
Johnson/Prado/Lilabridge

outfielder:
Jones/Shafer/Anderson/Blanco

starter
Jojo/Morton/James/Parr

and a few prospects (their talent levels will be determined by the talent of the IF/OF/SP selected)

This would get atlanta the ace they need and would get the padres an infielder (to go with gonzalez, greene and kouz), a young ML ready outfielder (blanco and anderson could lead off) a pitcher to help rebuild their staff, and prospects to use in the future.

Both sides are happy. And by adding another starter and power outfield bat, the braves are right back in it. And the padres are on the right path to get out of the cellar.

Thoughts?

"Why is it whenever anyone mentions a trade involving Holliday or Atkins, almost every post is about bad home/road splits. But no one mentions it for Peavy. Honestly, they aren't good. Any team playing in a hitters park should be worried."

I would hardly call a 3.80 ERA "not good"; that's his career road ERA. And who's to say that that 2.77/3.80 home/road split is entirely because of Petco Park? Most pitchers, and all players for that matter, just play better at home than on the road. It's more about getting used to the mound than it is about anything else.

With that being said, what organization wouldn't want to pay $56M over the next 4 years (comes out to $14M per) to have a guy who is going to likely have an ERA between 3.00 and 3.50, pitch very deep into ballgames, save your bullpen, and almost always give your team a chance to win?

Sure, his splits could be considered a bit discouraging but Peavy is one of the top 5-10 pitchers in all of baseball and his contract is a bargain for what he can give you.

Just curious, but what happened to the Redsox fans who suggested that "Lester for Peavy straight up would be a bad idea for the Sox." Watching him get shelled at home tonight was just a confirmation that most baseball fans overvalue there own players and discount everyone else.

Fun to see myopia in action...

I hope to one day live in a world where I won't have to hear a GM complain about trading within the division.

Look, it's real simple. You make a trade because you believe it will make your team better. Nobody trades to make your team worse. Why wouldn't you want to trade within your division. Obviously you believe you are getting the better end of the deal. Why not exploit that advantage?

Out of all the names I have seen "offered" for Peavy from the Cubs none of the packages of players will get it done. Pie is bcoming another Corey Patterson if you trade Pie then they need to keep Colvin as the lefty OF prospect, Cedeno would be trade before Theriot Marquis is a 5th starter. The Cubs dont need to get another stud pitcher.
Zambrano just needs strength and conditioning Harden has to be carefull Lilly is a proven 3rd starter Dempster should resign and the Cubs have Marshall Marquis and Hart as a 5th starter. The more pressing needs for the Cubs are as follows.
Lefty bat (with power a bonus)
Middle Relief
Everyday CF
Teach Kosuke how to hit for a full season.
Closer (If Wood leaves)
4th starter ( If Dempter Leaves)

i really thought you would give us some inside info. not sure where you were going with that

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Matt Gamel 3B/OF
Jermey Jerffers SP
Angel Salmone C
Tyler Green 3B
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Somebody suggest this would be the price for Peavy. LOL!!!

The price for Peavy is simply going to cost more than next best offer. Gamel/Jeffres would qualify as more than anyone else could offer, so Milwaukee wouldn't just throw in T Greene and A Salmone just because. LOL

The Yanks best offer would be Hughes/A Jackson. Gamel/Jeffress would be just as good. If not, then maybe you could add one (not 2) more players.

If the cost was really 4 top prospects, then signing CC would be the better move at that point.

how does this sound if the redsox were to go for him, the deal would have to look like this:
Sox trade for Peavy.
Send:
SP-Buchholz (post prospect since has been in the majors)
RP-Daniel Bard (#3 prospect)
OF-Ryan Kalish (#12 was talked about in the Johan trade)
C-George Kottaras (#31. isnt really worth roster space for the sox and we have higher rated catchers)
SS-Julio Lugo + 11-14mil. for his final 2 years of the 18 million on his contract

gives a few good prospects, and a SS to take the place of Greene when he's traded/leaves

Just a thought, but very nearly every single major pitcher that has been acquired in a trade in the past four years or so has been traded out of their respective league except for Erik Bedard (and I'm sure there are other minor ones such as Brad Penny that I'm not counting, but that was in 2005 anyway and Penny was one of many names in that deal).

You have Johan Santana, Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, Dan Haren, CC Sabathia, Dontrelle Willis, Josh Beckett, Rich Harden, Randy Johnson, Joe Blanton, Chris Young, and I'm sure countless other pitchers that I can't think of right now. Just think of the idea that most of the time pitchers really don't get traded into the same league.

And that's not exactly coincidental - just try to think of all the pitchers that have been traded as cornerstones in a deal that are dealt within the same league. The number is pretty small.

"+++++++++++++++++++++
Matt Gamel 3B/OF
Jermey Jerffers SP
Angel Salmone C
Tyler Green 3B
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Somebody suggest this would be the price for Peavy. LOL!!!"

My thoughts exactly. While that may be a price the Padres would ask for, that would certainly be a very short phone call. 3 of the 4 names on that list are probably all but untouchable. Mat Gamel is going to be a very large cog in this organization. It's unlikely that Fielder is a Brewer any longer than he has to be and the Brewers are running short on OF's. Gamel will likely never play 3B in the big leagues but he could play 1B and the corner OF position not occupied by Ryan Braun (with Corey Hart presumably moving to CF within the next year or so). Jeremy Jeffress is a young pitcher with ace written all over him; assuming he can keep the bong out of his daily routine. The Brewers have absolutely zero future at 3B as of right now because Bill Hall has become less than worthless. Taylor Green may have to be pushed through the minors quicker than originally planned because of the deficiency at the hot corner. Salome is the probably the only name on that list that could be available. Brett Lawrie is though to be on a fast-track to the big leauges (he says he wants to spend no more than a year and a half in the farm)and the Brewers are pretty deep in catching prospects at the moment.

Like I said, that may be what the Padres want, but the Brewers wouldn't be hearing it.

Boston has a deep farm system if the Padres did not want proven ML starters, like Clay Bucholz, Michael Bowden and maybe Daniel Bard, a Righty reliever whom can hit 100+ MPH on the radar and will be at AAA next season after tearing up AA Portland this past season.

They also have several Nice outfielders/infielders in Lars Anderson (good power hitter) and Josh Reddick (both 21) whom will be at AA, or AAA next year and will be mentioned in most any proposed trades probably this off season.

Interesting regarding Jeremy Papelbon in the Padres farm system. Josh Papelbon (his brother also) is playing in 1 of the Sox A ball teams as well, though he has never done very much performance wise the last 2-3 years.

Peavy in the Red Sox rotation would be fantastic. If it does happend, Theo might be thinking about letting go of Beckett when his contract runs out.

"Did someone just say that Clay Bucholz was a proven ML starter?"

Heck no, just like Bowden and never pitched in BL Bard. All are still classified as rookies I mention am pretty sure.