Pierre Willing To Waive No-Trade Clause

i love juan as a marlins and it stuck when he got traded. any chance he go back to florida, who looking for speed and defense

LA would have to pick up the $$$ owed wouldn't they? Marlins already have 4 better outfielders it seems and Maybin is younger and may get a try in CF.

How LA is going to explain it to fans that they kept Jones and traded Pierre is going to be fun to be reading over the winter.

You know, I really wouldn't mind the White Sox going after him. They need that speed threat that'll make the 3-4-5's seeing fastballs.

Dodgers get MacDougal, Sox get Pierre and 5 million.

Dodgers get a strictly bullpen arm and a non-tender contract. Sox get the speed and a true center fielder with a noodle arm.

To the Tigers for Dontreller?

To the Mets for Castillo?

Neither trade is ideal for the team's involved but if you're dumping contracts you're not going to get much value back.

I could definitely see the White Sox as a logical option. They desperately need speed and range in their outfield, and Pierre can offer those things, even if he has a .330 OBP and nothing else but that.

I could see the White Sox offering MacDougal like someone else said, or maybe even Linebrink. I'm not expecting them to its not really a good idea, but its something that is a possibility.

Dodgers sign Manny...

Manny and Pierre for Soriano, Marquis and a decent prospect..

I love Soriano but he's abysmal in the post-season, I'd rather watch Manny run into the Ivy for most of the year and crush the opposition in october. Pierre can play left or right in the vacancy left by Fukudome's stint in the minors.

I disagree that Pierre's speed isn't an asset. At this point, the guy steals a base every 3 times he is on base by hit or walk. That drives up his ability to score immensely. Also, based on the +/- system, Pierre's arm may suck but his play in CF actually saves a lot of runs.

There is nothing wrong with having Pierre on that team. They should have been playing him in LF all year until Manny was brought into the fold. The problem is the amount of money he is paid.

"Kemp seems like a prime trade chip this offseason as I figure they'd rather hang on to ethier."

There is nothing prime about Kemp as a trade chip on the Dodgers end unless they got the moon for him (and Robinson Cano is not the Moon Yankee Fans). Also, what makes you think they would rather keep Ethier? Kemp has the much higher ceiling. Ethier's assets are that he is left handed and has a better eye. Kemp has more power, more speed, plays CF (though I think Ethier could as well) and isn't getting a raise for another year or so. They both have rocket arms and make good contact, though Kemp K's a lot more.

Im really not a fan of Pierre, but would he fit in Cincy? we need a CF and a leadoff hitter...i could see it both ways

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That trade of Javi for James Mac, Juan and Ivan doesn't sound that bad.
I mean, it gets rid of Javi's 5.1 innings a game and nets an InF, and OF and a pitcher with upside.
Plus that gets Richard in the rotation, potentially pushing Jose to the 5th spot.
If Ned and Kenny match, that's great.

"Im really not a fan of Pierre, but would he fit in Cincy? we need a CF and a leadoff hitter...i could see it both ways"

The Reds! That was the other team I couldn't think of that was a nice fit for Pierre. Dusty Baker is there and he was with Chicago when they brought in Pierre, and as gmblingptcher said, the Reds could use a leadoff hitting CF who can offer some speed. One option I could see would be Bronson Arroyo for Pierre and McDonald, or maybe if the Dodgers can't resign Furcal, they could go after Alex Gonzalez.

Juan Pierre and cash for Bill Hall. Brewers save $10 million by not having to sign Cameron and getting someone who can lead off, Dodgers get a guy who could be used at a number of different positions. Seems like a bad contract swap made in Heaven to me. Or Bad Contract Hell, whichever you prefer.

the obvious choice would be someone like gary matthews jr. of the angels but there would be no point. they're basically the same player but matthews has a little bit more power.

buyout cameron's option and trade suppan for pierre...

would basically be an even contract swap

but brewers save money and fill CF

plus who knows suppan could be halfway decent with the weak hitting in the nl west

"plus who knows suppan could be halfway decent with the weak hitting in the nl west"

Which, of course, explains why even the lowly Padres smoked him for 5R, 4ER in 5.1 innings, right?

"Kemp hit .290 with 18 HR and 76 RBI. And Kemp is two years younger than Cano."

Not to mention the difference in speed.

So you just showed that they are about equal over their career numbers in Avg, OBP, and OBS. Don't forget to add in the speed difference, where Kemp is destroying Cano 51-12 stolen bases in their respective careers. And yes Cano plays 2B, but his defense is not so amazing that it distinguishes him from the also good fielding Kemp in center.

Trade Pierre for Castillo. Manny may not be thebest fit for us. Pierre is an upgrade from Tatis.

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cano had one bad year this past year and it wasn't even really a bad year it was a bad half season

ask any1 out there he's a better pure hitter than kemp...

I find Pierre much more valuable than Andruw at this point, looking past OPS, he's a 200+ hit threat in a full season, he will hit above .280 in a season where he gets regular playing time(as he has every year but one), and he barely strikes out. He's an outstanding tablesetter and can lay down a bunt and has respectable range. I could see Milwaukee going after him and I think having a 200 hit threat at the top of their order would look outstanding above Hart, Braun, Fielder, and Hardy. Another idea, maybe the Yanks go after him? CF and leadoff man? Small ball is becoming a bigger and bigger thing.

"Javier Vazquez rhp
3 years/$34.5M (2008-10)
3 years/$34.5M (2008-10)
signed extension with Chicago White Sox 3/07
08:$11.5M, 09:$11.5M, 10:$11.5M
limited no-trade clause blocking deals to NL West & AL West clubs"

No chance for the aforementioned Vazquez to the Dodgers deal. Vazquez forced a deal from AZ because he doesn't want to play on the West Coast.

What about this trade?

Johnny Damon and Kei Igawa

for

Juan Pierre, Delwyn YOung.

Damon would give Torre 1 solid year in LF before becoming a free agent. Igawa might benefit from a change of scenery on a team with numerous Japaneese pitchers. Igawa's contract totals 12 million owed over 09, 10 and 11. Damon's last year 09 contract is for 12 million. So that would negate Pierre's contract balance of 28.5 million owed.

Dodgers get a possible L starter for the back of the rotation and a starting LF for 1 year.

Yanks can slot Pierre in as a LF and become their "chuck knoblough" type lead off hitter. In 07 Pierre hit .292 w/ 198 hits and stole 64 bases. He's still relatively young @ age 31 (Damon's 35). In 08 he had 40 steals and hit .283 in sporadic playing time (375 at bats).

The Yanks also pick up a possible "turn around" project in Delwyn Young who's not getting in PT in LA.

What do you think? Would Pierre's blazing speed be worth the lack of power and obp that we lose in Damon? Damon figures not to be in our 2010 plans anyway and will probably not be retained when he's a FA after 09.

I'd do Castillo/Evans/Prospect from the Mets for Pierre. Actually I'd do pretty much anything that resulted in Castillo gone from the Mets.

"I'd do Castillo/Evans/Prospect from the Mets for Pierre. Actually I'd do pretty much anything that resulted in Castillo gone from the Mets."

Good deal for LA. They get rid of Pierre's 3/$28.5M and take on Casillos 3/$18M. On top of that $10M, they get two young players. Sounds good to me, as long as the Dodgers resign Manny or add a different outfielder.

"Good deal for LA. They get rid of Pierre's 3/$28.5M and take on Casillos 3/$18M. On top of that $10M, they get two young players. Sounds good to me, as long as the Dodgers resign Manny or add a different outfielder."

Exactly. Like I said if I'm the Mets I don't mind being on the bad end of the deal because it gets rid of Castillo and fills our hole in left field for a net increase of only $4 million to the payroll.

I'd also very much like the Dodgers to sign Manny because I don't want the Phillies to even be in the discussion for him. If rumors get out that the Phillies are going to make a big play for Manny, Omar is going to open up the checkbook and sign him to a ridiculous contract, leaving the Mets with not nearly enough money to fix their pitching.

"What about this trade?

Johnny Damon and Kei Igawa

for

Juan Pierre, Delwyn YOung."

You have an interesting idea regarding Pierre to the Yankees for the last 2 years of his contract. He would certainly have the range to roam the large CF in the new yankee stadium and if the Yanks would remove Igawa, whom not much of anyone is going to be interested in and put Cabrera in, they just might be able to get a deal done.

Pierre would add speed to the Yankees and it would over shine his other deficiencies well and he could be a pretty good player there indeed.Not sure about Damon thought, Joe Torre would want him, but the Dodgers are already well suited in OF and at 1B.

I'm surprised the Yankees aren't jumping on this because they could use a CF and a lead off hitter because Damons getting old...I could also see the Astros expressing interest in him because Michael Bourne hasn't been any good,but if i were the Dodgers i would trade him and take what i can get in return.

Pierre + Cash for Random Minor League Scrub.

Increase the cash to get a 4A guy, I suppose.

The idea that Pierre + contract is worth any major league talent is ridiculous.

I think Pierre for Francoeur would be interesting. Both are guys on teams that more or less lost some faith in them, and if the Dodgers are most of Pierre's contract, it could make sense.

Seeing Pierre and Essobar at the top of the order may set things up nicely for Chipper and McCann.

Or, perhaps, he could go to the Yankees. They need a center fielder that isn't named Melky Cabrera or Johnny Damon. I'm not sure who the NYY would send over, though.

I'm not a follower of the Dodgers but if the Dodgers don't sign Man-NY then wouldn't they have Kemp in CF and Either in RF with Delwyn Young and Andru Jones the only mlb vetted OF options? So wouldn't Damon be a good fit in LF and even more ideal lead off hitter than Furcal, Kemp, Martin, etc? It would be a 1 year commitment to him and buy them time to either develop someone or be a stop gad until 2010 FA comes around when they can go ahead and sign either Crisp, Ankeil, Holliday, Bay or Nady. Then they could sign a true CF like Crisp or sign a LF and slot Kemp in CF.

yanks definetly would not trade damon for pierre

the only upgrade it gives the yankees is a little more speed

damon is a much better hitter than pierre and warrants a starting job all season long...not to mention the only reason he isn't playing CF is because of his chicken arm...not like pierre improves on that

yanks are going to go with internal options for CF...there OF is set with...matsui/damon/nady/gardner/melky/maybe ajax later in the season

there focus is on pitching and 1b the last thing they want is to take on another bad contract...

No chance Pierre is traded to the Yanks for Damon and no chance Kemp is traded for Cano Kemp has more upside than Cano. It is clear to everyone but Yankees fans. Kemp and Cano already have similar stats, except people like point out Cano being a middle infielder, but Kemp steals 30+ bases and is 2 years younger. He is projected as a 25+ homer guy and has way more upside than Cano.

No chance Pierre goes for Vazquez. Dodgers wouldnt want him and his sorry contract. If anything the Dodgers would pick up Penny's option at 9.25 million rather than get Vazquez's $11 MM+

That proposed Cubs trade was preposterous, but I think that was already vetted.

I could see the Pierre for Castillo trade being a possibility. They are both worthless, but Mets need OF, Dodgers need IF.

Pierre could go the Padres. More likely though the Reds, and I also could make good sense of the Pierre for Bill Hall trade someone posted on here. Both basically worthless contracts, but the Brewers could use a leadoff guy, and the Dodgers might be willing to take their chances with Bill Hall at 3rd. It could even be possible to see Loney plus some pitching getting added in for Prince Fielder potentially for a Dodgers/Brewers blockbuster.
How would that be?

No way the Yankees take him. They've got too many OF as it is. Brett Gardner is the same player, so even if they Dodgers pay 90% of the salary, what's the point?

Pierre's a great basestealer and puts the bat on the ball. He's fine as a 4th OF/pinch-runner/bunter/situational pinch-hitter.

He has more value in the NL where the pitcher will frequently be pinch-hit for.

His value is probably somewhere around $3M a year. So it might just make the most sense to keep him and suck it up - of course it depends on what offers they get.

I think the one thing that's clear is that they have to get rid of at least one of him and Jones.

Perhaps Jones and $12M to the Yankees for nothing (worthless prospect)? Or Jones and a few million for Igawa?

Jones for one year makes sense to throw into the CF mix in NY - Pierre for 3 years? No way.

Yanksfansince78...

Why are you still pushing damon to the Dodgers? Id rather have pierre over damon, because at least we have a guy who plays half the time and still racks up 40 sb, is good in the OF (minus an arm, but same as damon), and I think actually makes less than Damon (could be wrong, but i doubt it).

If pierre goes, it will not, or should not, be for an outfielder, and i doubt he goes for anything of value.

In my wildest dreams, i would love to see:

Pierre, Mcdonald, Elbert, Dewitt, Delwyn Young + cash to SD for Jake Peavy.

That actually wouldnt be too bad a trade, depending on the cash we gave them. It all depends on the offers the Padres get, because im sure they would want at least one very high prospect, but im betting Mcdonald will be top 50 by the start of 09, so I dont know.

Also, Pierre for Castillo could work, and put Dewitt back to 3rd, i would just hate to see 12 homeruns or so from 2b and 3b for the year :/

A couple folks mentioned Cincy as a destination, and that was my thought as well.

Clearly a boatload of cash would have to accompany Pierre, or a worthwhile prospect as incentive to take him.