Players Union Claims Evidence Of Collusion Against Bonds

Who cares?

The fact remains the man can still hit.

I guess, for some people, it's ok if there's collusion against players they don't like and they don't want to hear about it if it might upset their delicate sensibilities.

Please, the guy could still rake. He wouldn't have been ideal on every team and there were off the field issues, but any number of teams could have used him. The Mets would have made the playoffs with him.

If there has been collusion, it came down from Selig personally. He hates Bonds for breaking Aaron's record and making Selig look like a fool (which he is anyway.) I hope Bonds cleans up on these assholes.

wow some of these comments are a sad sad sight.

BB has never been found guilty of anything, this country is supposed to be about innocent until PROVEN guilty. not guilty until proven innocent.

the facts remain he the man can still play and many teams could/should have signed him.

if there was collusion against him to keep him out of the league than I hope he takes them to the cleaners. Just because people dont like you doesnt mean that you should have less rights than other people in society.

dont get me wrong I dont condone anything he did if he cheated but the MLB is no better if they kept him out of baseball without proving that first.

"before it was against the "rules" for him to take them"
exactly...so explain to me why people like gary mathews jr are still allowed to play?
oh thats right they didnt upset Selig by breaking his precious record.
No offense but if you think that all of baseball has not taken some sort of performance enhancer you are just nieve. steroids/hgh dont make you hit homeruns. i know plenty of people that take them that couldnt foul tip a major league fast ball.
why dont you learn something about steroids and hgh before you actually make a judgement.
did it inflate his numbers somewhat? of course but everyones numbers are inflated by this era, including pitchers. so why is BB singled out?
see previous answer.
as for his play in the field. he could easily DH for any AL team. I would take BB and his OPS over any DH in the majors right now, especially if i was making a run at a world series (now if your "rebuilding" then thats a different story..rebuilding is a crock but thats a differrent topic for different day)

Im not saying that if a team doesnt want to sign them they have to. i am saying if Selig or the owners or whoever got together and made an agreement of sorts or anything blocking him from playing then it is collusion.

example. what if you are the best at what you do? lets assume its the most obvious for you, getting paid for sucking c***. but then all the women found out you where giving the men what they havent been able to perfect yet so they all go to their husbands and say "if you ever go see rype again I will take you for all you got" now all of a sudden you cant get any clients anymore and cant get paid. is that really fair to you? i mean you are the best at it? so why shouldnt you get paid?

maybe thats a bad example but you get the idea

"Baseball, as a business, is better off without Barry being part of it."

What kind of blatant disregard of logic is this? If anything, baseball strictly as a business is better of with Barry. He still puts asses in seats regardless of how you personally feel about him. He might be a distraction, probably took some steroids but he can mash and sell tickets, so business wise he's still valuable.

If there is legitimate proof of collusion I don't know how you can dismiss it as unimportant.

meoveryouok,

The average fan can't stand Barry Bonds, so how does that work? I know many people from the few fan bases in this area who would boycott going to games if Bonds was on their team. How does that help business? Maybe you can get the fan who knows nothing, but there are plenty of players who hit homeruns already, especially if they are DH's. What is he going to get you, another 3-5 home runs a year? That hardly makes a difference

BucSox, not many, but you have to account for the payroll they have to get rid off for their previous DH, who would probably put up near those numbers. Most DH's will put up those numbers, and cause near the amount of headaches that Bonds does.

Once again, why the love fest for Bonds? Where was this when Canseco was blackballed? nobody cared then.

It's obvious that fans hate Barry, they were happy to get rid of him in San Francisco, and he broke the record there, and was their biggest draw for years.

yes, but how does 14 teams who don't want him because of the headaches he brings translate into they are doing it illegally. I realize I can't talk for every team, but I'm not just talking about my friends. I guess I should say there are 2 teams because the other 2 are NL teams which was already discussed would have no use for him. Reading up on these teams I came to the conclusion as 95% of the people were basically saying that. Obviously as numbers go up, that drops, but it's not going to flip flop. Secondly, AL teams already have DH's, they don't need to dump the one they have to gain an extra 5-10 Homeruns, sometimes less.

Barry Bonds is a major headache to anyone who could use him, and 75% of those or more of them have a player who is equal to or very close to equal to what Bonds could put up without the headaches. 3rd who knows what numbers he'll put up, his knees are shot, who knows if he could even play the whole season.

As for the guy who doesn't think steroids can help you, maybe it doesn't have a direct effect like you take steroids and you hit more homers, but it helps you heal faster when you work out. Which can help you work out more. It can also help with your quick twitch muscles, which will speed up your bat speed, and cause more home runs.

"Where? San Fran was the only place that ever showed him love. I know a TON of fans that wouldn't go if their team signed him, and I live in St. Louis, who supposedly have the best fans in baseball. I don't agree...but that is beside the point."

when you produce like that people will come and see no matter what the backstory (heck the backstory might also even drive people to go see. case in point SF, you think they would have had nearly as many tix sold without BB on the roster these past years?)

any club can spin a player any way they want. just look at manny and the boston situation. boston has vilified one of their best hitters ever. he has since been traded to LAD and been welcomed there with open arms. Im sure the same will be for whatever team he signs with(if not LAD).

Barry Bonds is COMPLETELY different than any other player. No player has EVER been hated as much as he has...and certainly not Manny Freakin Ramirez.

"when you produce like that people will come and see no matter what the backstory "

Produce like what? He isn't going to be hitting 70 homeruns anymore...sure, maybe 30. But that doesn't mean people are going to be flocking to the park to see him.

San Francisco? They got to watch what might be the greatest back to back to back offensive seasons ever put up. Of coarse they liked him...he did it for their team. He doesn't have anything close to those seasons left in him...or I'd agree with you.

"You fail to remember, the reason Giants fans came out to see him, was to see him break Aaron's record. They were glad to have him gone after that."

Rype123 does not speak for me as a Giants fan.

Barry may have cheated at baseball, he may have cheated on his taxes, but he's always paid his union dues. The Players Union is obligated to pursue this grievance and should. It sets a bad precedent if the fail to protect a paying member of the union, regardless of who likes or doesn't like him.

No Rype123. Bonds refused to sign the MLBPA Licensing Agreement. It was the 1st time in the 30-year history of the agreement that an MLB player has chosen to do so. Bonds chose to pursue his own licensing. It was probably a foolish mistake. I have nothing to back this up, but I imagine Bonds could have mad more had he stuck with the union's licensing agreement. Lavar Arrington did a similar thing with the NFL Players Union.

Players dues are $50 dollars a day during the season, which Bonds has paid in faith. (I wish my union was that cheap!)