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Reds Will Let Patterson, Bako Leave
9:38pm: A bit more on the Reds from Jocketty via John Fay - Paul Bako won't be back, and the team has mild interest in Josh Bard.
10:56am: Mark Sheldon of MLB.com talked to Reds GM Walt Jocketty, who said he will not re-sign outfielder Corey Patterson. Patterson, 29, hit .205/.238/.344 in 392 plate appearances. This decade, only Alex Gonzalez of the 2000 Marlins had a worse OBP (.229) over 390+ plate appearances. Gonzalez, however, had only one PA in the leadoff spot (Patterson had 155). Patterson did play strong defense in center field this year.
Sheldon expects the Reds to attempt to re-sign at least two of their nine free agents in David Weathers and Jerry Hairston Jr. John Fay guesses the Reds will also talk to Jeremy Affeldt and Mike Lincoln.
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This is another mistake that I would have made coming into the season. I really thought Patterson was going to turn out to be a very decent pick-up for the money. He was just absolutely awful though. Only Adruw had a worse year.
Posted by: bjsguess | October 07, 2008 at 11:26 AM
I think I just saw a parade go by my window!
Posted by: Bank Street Grounds | October 07, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Good Riddance
Posted by: PatMicMac | October 07, 2008 at 12:12 PM
On the bright side for him, his season will be forgotten because a) He's Corey Patterson and b) there's even less nice things to say about Jones after you called Patterson's year pathetic.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | October 07, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Corey Patterson will forever be one of those players who just simply doesn't get it. I'm convinced that Dusty Baker putting Patterson in the leadoff spot back when he first came up screwed up him forever.
He came up thinking of himself as a power hitter. He was a free swinger who made a lot of (very, very hard) contact, but combined with his elite defense and speed, he was a truly special prospect. But then Baker put him in the leadoff spot and told him to stop hitting for power and start hitting the ball on the ground and take walks. That was never Corey's game, but he was forced to try and make it his approach. It failed him, and he was never able to regain his ability to hit.
That's just my two cents as a Cubs fan who watched our (supposed) savior fall flat on his face.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 07, 2008 at 01:03 PM
Corey should never think he is a power hitter. His huge swing may get a few over the fence, but most often it leads to pop-ups. Plus, the guy won't take pitches to get deep into the count. He'd rather swing for the fences at the first pitch.
If Corey could learn to shorten his swing and hit line drives and grounders, then he would greatly improve his worth. If he could reach a .350 OBP, then he would be coveted by teams. Instead, he can't even sniff .300, because he thinks he is Bonds incarnate.
Corey has little-big-man syndrome.
Posted by: wanderinredsfan | October 07, 2008 at 01:14 PM
Anyone else think it's insane that a dude who doesn't strike out that much can put the ball into play as much as Patterson but not get a hit?
Posted by: Bank Street Grounds | October 07, 2008 at 01:24 PM
A lot of prospects are good in the minors and just can't figure it out in the big leagues or they get screwed up in the minor leagues. Dusty Baker is the only manager that I know of that screws up prospects once they get there. Everyone of the successful prospects (specifically pitchers) have blown up their arm or just stopped playing. It is very wierd.
Posted by: rebuilding | October 07, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Rebuild, Patterson was not a rookie. How does this involve Dusty?
Posted by: studio179 | October 07, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Studio, I believe he is referring to when Dusty was the manager of the Cubs and Patterson was just called up...not this past season.
Posted by: mtzxc | October 07, 2008 at 09:54 PM
Patterson was not a rookie under Dusty with the Cubs. Don Baylor was his rookie manager when he broke in 2000. Dusty came along in Chicago in 2003. But I'll credit 'in Dusty we no trusty' because he deserves it, too. He should of loved Corey because he does not take many walks and therefore does not clog up the bases.
Posted by: studio179 | October 07, 2008 at 10:44 PM
How can the Reds not re-sign God Patterson?
Posted by: Cardsfan387 | October 07, 2008 at 11:13 PM
How can the Reds not re-sign God Patterson?
Posted by: Cardsfan387 | October 07, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Studio, although 2000 was his first taste of the majors, he only had 42 at bats as a September call up. His first real rookie season was 2002 when he batted .253. Dusty became manager in 2003 and that is when Patterson had his break out year...but then starting in 04 was when he started to regress. That is why I blame Dusty. Once Dusty tried to make him a leadoff hitter, that is when he started to suck it up.
Posted by: mtzxc | October 07, 2008 at 11:36 PM
When Patterson was on the Orioles, Trembley would sometimes have him hit behind B-Rob and Corey would get more fastballs that way. He was lightyears better than he was for the Reds this year and I think that the constant breaking pitches he saw exposed his long swing. Corey does better hitting behind base steamers, not leading off.
Posted by: Orioles13 | October 07, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Did Josh Bard really have that little trade value that Kevin Towers couldn't offer him arb and flip to another team?
Posted by: WestCoastBias | October 07, 2008 at 11:50 PM
"But then Baker put him in the leadoff spot and told him to stop hitting for power and start hitting the ball on the ground and take walks."
I don't buy that. Dusty HATES walks.
Posted by: icedrake523 | October 08, 2008 at 08:26 AM
No Patterson, no Bako...
Jocketty is doing his best to protect Dusty Baker from himself.
Kinda sad when the only way a manager can make the right decisions is if the wrong choices are removed.
Posted by: Devlsh | October 08, 2008 at 09:23 AM
"Kinda sad when the only way a manager can make the right decisions is if the wrong choices are removed."
You're right, it's very sad. When Dusty was in Chicago it seemed like every year Hendry would let Dusty make more and more personnel decisions and every year the team got worse. Remember when DLee broke his wrist and the Cubs had no viable backup first baseman? Dusty's choice was to sign Tony Womack, even though the team already had 4 mediocre second baseman.
I've said before that Dusty is going to set the Reds franchise back years unless they get rid of him. Perhaps I'm wrong though, if Jockety tells Dusty that he's not going to have anything to do with deciding who gets signed and who doesn't then maybe the Reds have a shot. Now they just have to figure out how to get Dusty to fill out a lineup correctly, and how to use a bullpen.
Posted by: pageian | October 08, 2008 at 10:48 AM
mtzxc,
You can blame Dusty on many levels for many things. However, you can not blame him for Corey Patterson's stubborness and 'do it my way' approach.
Again, 2000 was his call up year with 42 ABs as you point out. in 2001, Corey had 131 ABs. In 2002, he had 592 ABs. Clearly he is no longer a rookie here under Don Baylor. While he hit at various places in the order, the Cubs were trying to make him a leadoff hitter to take advantage of his speed. Corey refused to adopt to this style. He did not know how to bunt. Clearly a Cub mistake in the minors. Why? Because in the minors Corey hit in RBI slots. If you could ask Corey, he would tell you his favorite spot to hit is the 6th slot. That's right, the 6th hole. He has said that many times. Then he has gone on to say the right thing that is does not matter where he hits. But he views himself as a run producer, which he is not.
By the time Dusty came to Chicago in 2003, he was continuing to play Corey where the previous manager and current Cub brass was playing him...leadoff. Dusty was following what was in place. Corey had a great few months in 2003, not a great year. He got hurt on a close play at first by landing on the base wrong and was done for the year. Goodwin played some center and the Cubs eventually went out and got Loften (to replace Patterson), Ramirez and Simon from the Pirates. Btw, Corey was leading off in 2003 while on his 'break out' year. 2004 comes and pitches adjust to him, but he does not adjust back. His hole is the same today as it was back with the Cubs. Throw him up in the zone to get him to chase, then a little higher and off speed in the dirt or out of the zone where he swings at it. Corey is a stubborn person. Coaches have spent endless time trying to get him to make contact and use his speed. No, he fancies himself as a run producer and power guy. This guy struggles, then he just starts to come around and he does the worst thing ever. He'll hit a home run. Then he goes back to bad habits and it's 'here we go again'. Many people like Baylor, Dusty and many, many coaches tried to cuddle Corey. Then they all went off on Corey. Nothing worked with this guy.
No, blame Dusty for many other things. Corey is Corey's worst enemy.
Posted by: studio179 | October 09, 2008 at 04:38 PM