Tigers May Need To Trade Magglio

I still think that Ordonez to the Reds is a very interesting concept. The Reds really need a veteran run producer for the middle of their order, as well as a LF, and Ordonez could fit that slot. The Reds could afford to take on his salary, and have one of the most stacked farm systems in baseball. Something like Ordonez for Chris Valaika and Daryl Thompson could be very interesting. I'm assuming the Tigers would want a SS like Valaika in the deal, as well as some pitching. The Tigers could also look at guys like Devin Mesoraco, Homer Bailey, Juan Francisco, Juan Duran and Todd Frazier as well, although the Reds will surely not be willing to give up very much.

Another team could be the Cubs, if they didn't mind that he's a righty. He would fit into their lineup quite well and maybe the Cubs could include Marquis to offset the money somewhat. Something like Ordonez (3/48) for Marquis (1/10), Gaudin, Cedeno and Ceda?

The Cubs get their big bat without taking on big salary. The Tigers get an innings eater, a solid bullpen arm, a potential SS option and a potential future closer. I don't know if either team would be interested, just throwing the idea out there.

Another team could be the Dodgers, if they didn't resign Manny. Ordonez would give them a big name for the middle of their lineup, and the Dodgers could offer either Chin Lung Hu or Ivan DeJesus to become Detroit's everyday SS, and then throw in a good young pitcher like maybe Elbert or Wade.

how about...

Maggs for-

Bailey, Thompson, A-Gon

Two pitchers the Tigers could slot into their rotation both with many years left (both are not sure-fire Aces, but theyre good) and a shortstop, and they save about 12 million. Maybe they want some of the Reds relief prospects...

"Another team could be the Cubs, if they didn't mind that he's a righty."

They do mind. They HAVE to have a lefty. This won't happen.

Tigers will either have to eat salary or take lesser prospects. They won't be able to have it both ways.

one team that should be interested for magglio is the oakland a's. they are looking for a middle of the order right-handed bat, and actually have money to spend. A trade of Huston Street, Bobby Crosby and Aaron Cunningham for Magglio and some cash makes sense for both teams.

Why would the Tigers do a trade including Cordero who makes 12 mil a year when they are trying to cut payroll and that is their reasoning behind trading Ordonez

Tigers should definitely eat "some" salary so they can get prospects back. It will still free up a good amount of salary, just if enough could be eaten to get Magglio to a 13-14MM/yr range, it would attract better prospects.

I could see the Phillies going after Magglio to fill the void after Burrell leaves. Especially if the Mets go out and sign a big bopper for LF.

Reds and Cubs make sense as well. The Reds did cut payroll by trading Dunn/Griff, and will have the cash to spend on a big bopper. Cubs could easily do a trade involving one of Marshall/Gaudin (cheap MLB arm to plug into rotation) and other stuff. Tigers wouldn't have to eat salary to trade to the Cubs though.

Rays make zero sense. I could see payroll being the issue here. Sternberg plans to raise payroll, but I don't think it will be enough to both sustain the raises due to current core players who should NOT be traded, deal with arbitration cases, fix minor issues on the team, AND take on a 17MM commitment (Rays have no significant money coming off the books). I don't know though. If the Tigers were willing to eat a good portion of salary, they could get some fine pitching in return though.

I've watched Bailey closely and I'm not sure what to make of him. That mid 90's fastball on draft day has settled in at 90/91 m.p.h. and is as straight and flat as an arrow. He can't locate his off-speed stuff and he has a reputation as uncoachable and unwilling to listen. Still, he's probably a reasonable gamble due to his youth and the Reds seem more than willing to deal him. Gonzalez has played very little for the Reds owing to injuries and family issues. The Tigers would have to insist on a Valaika or Stubbs type talent coming back to make it a fair trade.

Schellis beat me to the punch. I meant to meantion the trade offs of Junior and Dunn. Plus, didn't they want to get rid of Arroyo? Maybe if they did Arroyo and some, that may make sense.

Like I said, the Phils do make sense IF they don't keep Burrell. His $ for this year is just a few mil less than Magglio. Plus, what is Jenkins contract? Was it just one year? Maybe him and a package of prospects....I dont know what their farm is like, but if they have any good/decent middle infielders it's highly unlikely that they will overthrow Utley/Rollins.

The Phillies do have a SS prospect that is near ML ready. Just can't remember his name at the moment.

The Reds could deal Arroyo but his contract is beginning to get expensive for a back of the rotation pitcher, though I suppose it could be a take these two guys (Arroyo/Gonzalez) and you can have this prospect type deal as well.

"The Phillies do have a SS prospect that is near ML ready. Just can't remember his name at the moment."

Jason Donald?

Dear Dave,

Julio Lugo is due for a resurgence at shortstop. Because we're such good friends, I'll swap 'lios with you, and even subsidize some of Lugo's contract.

Love,
Theo

Melonis Rex that was the Phillies SS prospect that I was thinking of. I don't think he's a future all star by any means, and I thought there were concerns about him sticking at the position as well, but there aren't to many blue chip SS prospects that are on the market this year.

Oh, and I know that Lillibridge is probably greatly overrated, but that's where the salary dump part comes in. :)

The A's would be a perfect fit for Mags if they really are willing to take on payroll to address the power issue as they've stated.

Street, Crosby, and Vince Mazzaro for Ordonez would work out pretty well for both teams.

The Tigers get their replacement closer, a SS replacement who is about average and only under contract for 1 more year, and a very good, high ceiling pitching prospect.

The A's get a premier name, and a premier power bat to put in the middle of the order. Subtracting the probable $10M they owe Street and Crosby (after arb) that's adding $8M to the payroll in '09, $9M in '10, and $15M in '11 when Chavez's contract is off the books.

Even with adding that payroll to the team now, it still only brings them to approx $45M.

Works well on both sides to me....

Almost sure Frank Wren will look into this. They could give up Flowers and a young arm to fit the tigers catching and fill a spot in the bullpen while eating most of Maggs salary, not to mention the desperatley need a right handed clean up hitter

Magglio to the Rays for Edwin Jackson and Reid Brignac.

Jackson slot into the middle of the rotation, still has 3 years left before free agency. Brignac, one of the few blue chip shortstop prospects, is ready for the majors, and could develope lower in the order.

Magglio takes over in RF and makes a potent 3 though 6 in Upton, Ordonez, Pena, and Longoria.

the phils arent going to bring back Burrell. So the phils will def be in the Mags sweepstakes to get another power LF and Mags fits the bill.

Donald is going to be a solid SS. Unfortunely for the phils he cant develope into a 3rd baseman. He has a good glove and will hit around .300 with about 15-20 hrs around 70 RBI's. T

Aren't the Braves trying to trim payroll? They have the need and the prospects if they want to get it done...

The Rays would have to give more than Edwin Jackson and Brignac. A mediocre starter and a good SS prospect is not going to get it done.

I can't imagine the Reds taking on that salary, nor that the Phils have the prospects to get it done.

AA, the Dodgers were actually one of the first fits I thought of for Mags.

If they dont retain Manny they'll need a big name OF for the middle of their order, and Ordonez is exactly that.

The Tigers need a young MLB-ready SS, and the Dodgers have two to deal in Hu and DeJesus. Match up one of those two with Elbert, and take on the salary and I think you got a deal. Hu/DeJesus could take over in 2009 and Elbert gives them a good lefty prospect who should at least be a good reliever.

One team that was always had Magglio on its radar are the Red Sox. When they were trying to get A-Rod in 2003, the plan was to trade Manny and Nomar in a three way trade with getting Magglio to replace Manny.... Of course this means trading Bay, or trading Crisp and Ellsbury...

"The Rays would have to give more than Edwin Jackson and Brignac. A mediocre starter and a good SS prospect is not going to get it done."

I doubt many GMs consider Edwin Jackson a mediocre starter. With inflated salaries and limited pitching available, Edwin is one of the top starters available in a trade. Hence why Tim named him as one of the top starters likely to be traded. he made great stride this year and still has outstanding stuff. Entering his first year of arbitration, probably will only make 1-2 million and post an ERA in the high 3's or low 4's. Further, Brignac is major league ready.

The fact is that the Rays have the goods to get Ordonez, no doubt. It would ultimately come down to how much of the salary Detroit would eat.

Calling Jackson a mediocre starter is not a knock.. it's just a fact. He's a cheap, average starter. So, the Tigers get an average starter, a good young SS, AND have to eat part of the contract? I don't know about that one... they could get a better deal elsewhere.

The Rays could get it done, but you'd have to be talking Davis, Hellickson, or McGee to go along with Brignac.

I'm just not so sure the Rays want to bring on that level of payroll with so many young players approaching free agency and arbitration. But they would be smart to do so and go for it now while they've got all the surrounding pieces in tow.

I know what you are saying. Jackson is probably a number 3 on some clubs, but more than likely a good solid number 4. Still has a lot of upside though, and that always has to be taken into consideration. Could take a Carmona-like leap foward anytime, just needs to keep working on his control.

The only reason I was mentioning guys like Jackson and Sonnanstine is because, well, the Rays need to move them to make room for Price. Both guys have good trade value and could be an assett to almost any team as a starting pitcher. I personally dont think the rays would entertain trading one of the young pitching prospects when they have to trade a starter from the major league rotation. That being said, the Ray definately have the depth in the minors to add onto the deal. I just personally think it would start with Jackson or Sonnanstine.

Being in the world series and already expecting to increase payroll (with no burdonsome contracts), the Rays are definately flexable to adding payroll. They have said that they would be willing to increase payroll for the right player(s). I agree that the time to strike is now, when they have all of this young talent locked up.

""The Rays would have to give more than Edwin Jackson and Brignac. A mediocre starter and a good SS prospect is not going to get it done."

That is a fine package for Magglio. I have no idea what you're talking about. That fills 2 holes and gets rid of a huge load of money, which is their goal in this process.

I win!

You are missing the point. The Tigers have holes to fill. Holes they cannot fill if they don't shed salary. Getting Brignac, one of the best SS prospects in the league, and Jackson, a young fireballer coming into his own, fills two massive voids for the Tigers. They will find the offense in other places. Besides that, you are really underating Brignac and Jackson imo.

"If they dont retain Manny they'll need a big name OF for the middle of their order, and Ordonez is exactly that."

I agree, though I think Maggs is more of a #5 hitter. Still, if Kemp pushes his SLG up to .500 and Martin's power rebounds, I don't think the Dodgers need all that much more power in the lineup.

"The Tigers need a young MLB-ready SS, and the Dodgers have two to deal in Hu and DeJesus. Match up one of those two with Elbert, and take on the salary and I think you got a deal. Hu/DeJesus could take over in 2009 and Elbert gives them a good lefty prospect who should at least be a good reliever."

I think Elbert profiles as a reliever much more than as a starter. That said, I think Elbert has the stuff to be a closer, which makes him more interesting. Also, as a Dodger fan, I would prefer Hu be moved. I think DeJesus has the more translatable skill set and profiles better than Hu at 2B. Hu projects to have more power and probably has the higher ceiling, but I worry about his sudden decline in bat speed. DeJesus profiles dead on as a lead off man or a number 2 hitter and could be really deadly in a lineup with Furcal.

I agree that the reds make perfect sense. There is no way that the reds should give up both Bailey and Thompson. I would love to see Mags in a reds uniform, but i wouldn't mortgage the future on a guy that won't stick around for 3-5 years. With a package involving Bailey and Thompson, the reds could be a front runner in the Fielder sweepstakes who will be around for longer and slightly cheaper. Obviously I would take Cain over Bailey and Thompson, but I don't think that the Giants would give up Cain...so to me that is out of the question. Bailey and Thompson would probably be the best type of pitchers package that the brewers could get for Fielder.

Edwin Jackson is all hype the guy throws gas but it is straight as an arrow thus he has continued to get lit up. He had a good first half of the year thats about it.

"Another interesting alternative would be Brett Myers for Ordonez - Myers really wants to be a closer and is owed $12mil but for one year.

Not sure Im ready to give up our #2 after his 2nd half last year but.."

Myers alone isn't worth Ordonez and is definitely not worth that price as a closer. Further, there is no guarantee Myers doesn't regress or let his off field problems haunt him again.

"Also - Why Ordonez over Burrell?

1) 76 Ks vs 136 Ks
2) Maggs.317 vs Pat .250
3) Tigers will eat $$$
4) Shorter term possible (Pat may want 4-5 years)
5) Defense"

The contact numbers are certainly in Magglio's favor, but I don't see why you waste prospects on a player when all you need to do is pay money to the other, who is nearly as productive. Further, even if the Tigers eat some money, the Phills will likely still be on the hook for what they would pay Burrell. As for defense, there isn't much of a difference between the two at this point. Magglio isn't a great defender either and both have big arms.

"Edwin Jackson is all hype the guy throws gas but it is straight as an arrow thus he has continued to get lit up. He had a good first half of the year thats about it."

Edwin Jackson has really matured as a pitcher this year and I think he will continue to get better. Before he was just trying to get by on stuff, but he realized that he needed to learn to pitch. Like some pitchers do, he took a little bit off his fastball to gain better command. So when he used to be 96-97 every fastball, this year he was consistently 93-94, but could crank it up to 99 if needed. Also, his change up is coming along nicely and actually looks like a solid third pitch. The only reason he ever gets lit up is when he doesnt have command of his slider, thats why the development of his change up is so important. If he doesnt have control of his slider that day, hitters sit back and wait on his fastball. When his slider is on, look out!

"What part of "tigers may NEED to trade Mags..." makes it seem as if Detroit dictates their return?"

Another reason I like the Dodgers if they can't sign Manny

Elbert, Hu, and May gets the job done IMO

you underrate Magglio. You don't send perennial MVP candidates signed for 3 years at market value for cheap.

A young starter with upside, a SS prospect with a high ceiling, and a pitching prospect with a high ceiling is not an absurd asking price. Especially when the team dealing is in dire need of a SS, closer, and young starters.

Too many holes to fill for just getting two guys.

why does maggs trade talk even come up....it ain't gonna happen, maybe in the press, but not in the team.
Leyland Said So.......

Thats quite a throw in. Personally, I value Hellickson, Davis and McGee higher than Jackson or Brignac. Its one thing to throw in a pitching prospect with a high ceiling, its another to throw in one of the top 20 pitching prospects in baseball. McGee and Davis are better pitching prospects than Porcello and Hellickson will be ranked just as high, if not higher, next year. He is the best of the group now. Again, the Rays have tons of top young pitchers that they dont have to include any untouchables in any trade. Maybe a Niemann, Talbot, or Hammell instead. Another pitcher for more salary relief though.