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Dempster Will Test Open Market

Ken Rosenthal is reporting that C.C. Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Ben Sheets, and Derek Lowe have some company at the top of the list of free agent starters this offseason. Ryan Dempster will not re-sign with the Cubs before hearing what other teams have to offer:

Dempster, 31, plans to test the open market, major-league sources say. He filed for free agency on Friday, and does not intend to sign with the Cubs before their exclusive negotiating period with him expires on Nov. 13.

After spending three years closing games for the Cubs, Dempster was tremendous in their rotation this year, posting a 17-6 record with a 2.96 ERA and 187 Ks to go along with just 76 walks through 206.2 IP.

The Cubs could certainly retain Dempster, but that task just became much more difficult, as many teams are looking to add starting pitching. Dempster could certainly fetch a very lucrative four-year deal on the open market, likely in excess of $60MM.

Rosenthal lists the  Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers and Angels as possible suitors. We also know that the Braves are looking to add at least two starters to their rotation this year.

Rosenthal also notes that if Dempster does sign elsewhere, it could increase the Cubs' interest in San Diego ace Jake Peavy, though I still don't feel like the Cubs have the pieces that the Padres are looking for in return for Peavy.


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Gives him plenty of leverage if he does indeed want to return to the Cubs, or with whatever team he decides to sign with.

I still think he signs a Cub though.

My guess: Cubs, Astros or Dodgers... he stays in the NL

The Orioles would be absolute morons if they didn't at least try to make an offer.

His relationship with Hendry is what is going to keep him a Cub. He's going to take a hometown discount to remain a Cub. Hendry took a big risk on him a few years back after his Tommy John surgery. He remains a Cub. Personally, I think the Cubs should let him walk and give some other kids a chance to grow and try to restock their now thin farm system.

I doubt Dempster will take a discount for any team. But, I also think he is not worth annually of $15 million/year for one good year. Dempster will be a Dodger for 4/45 to 50.

That is perfectly fine with me. The Cubs need to let him walk and save that money and get a leadoff hitter. Furcal or Hudson(not sure about his wheels now though). Furcal makes the most sense so he won't cost the Cubs any draft picks since he is always hurt.

Furcal will resign with Dodgers, I will be very surprised if not.

JRD,

Regardless of whether or not he's actually worth $60MM, he's not going to take anything less than the $48MM that Carlos Silva signed last season.

Almost no pitcher is really worth what they're going to get on the open market, but the market has been inflated by players like Silva, Jason Marquis, Jeff Suppan, etc.

I'd be very surprised to see Dempster sign anything less than four years, $56MM, as it doesn't sound like he's interested in giving any discounts.

dempster loves the cubs along with wood who signed for much less money to play for the cubs.
if the cubs can sign furcal and move theriot to 2nd base and put derosa in right theyll look even better than last year. they need a shortstop with speed though. theriot is not a shortstop hes a 2nd baseman. furcal would fit good and we already know that hendry just barely missed signing him 2 years ago.

CMichaels,

Dodgers and Braves were the top two to sign Furcal two years ago, so typing that they barely missed signing him is an incorrect statement.

Joe,

Free Agency starts I believe on November 14th?

Welcome to Toronto Ryan.

I think it all depends on how many years he wants, I think. The Cubs already have a plethora of long-term deals with Soriano, Ramirez, Zambrano, and Lee...they are probably reluctant to add another one to the list. Especially considering Dempster's injury history and age. He had one helluva year, but you have to think that this year was the exception and you would have to assume a regression this year.

Just a general question...does Rich Hill have any trade value whatsoever? I know he was coveted the past couple years but considering his psychological/make-up issues, I would imagine there haven't been may inquiries.

Dempster will be a Cub and I will guess he re-signs with them before the Nov. 13th negotiating period.

"I doubt Dempster will take a discount for any team."

Agreed. I still think some team, foolishly in my opinion, will offer him 4/$60mil. If the cubs dont match it, it would be hard for him to stay, just my opinion. If the cubs offer something that is $1-2 mil less per year than another team, I think he takes the discount. Any difference more than that, I think he goes.

"Just a general question...does Rich Hill have any trade value whatsoever?"

ABSOLUTELY NONE! Sorry about the caps, but its funny that 2 weeks ago,some goofs on this board were getting all excited about Rich Hill because of 1 decent (not great) outing in the venezuelan league....thats right the Venezuelan League ( i.e. the equivalent to A ball)LMAO. As if one outing in a crappy league all of the sudden makes him some great trading chip. Here is the line on his last 2 starts

Oct 26 3.2 IP 4H 1ER 4BB 1 K
Oct 31 1.1 IP 6H 6ER 3BB 1K

Rich Hill will never pitch for the cubs again as long as Pinella is manager, and at this point he is not even a good trade "throw in".

I really think Dempster will sign with someone else. Blue Jays, Braves are some places he's going to go. If he does then good luck to him. I agree with Tim Cubs probably don't have enough unless they trade one of their untouchable people like Samardzija, Soto, Marmol, Vitters.
I do like Oliver Perez coming to the Cubs. He's still young and is a left- handed pitcher. I like to see Marquis get traded and Samardzija in the rotation. Have it look like this.
Zambrano
Perez
Harden
Lilly
Samardzija
Anyone else agree?

Finding a suitor for Jason Marquis won't necessarily be an easy task, Cubbieblue, but the rotation you have doesn't look too bad, provided Harden stays healthy (which is a BIG if).

As for Dempster re-signing before Nov. 13, I don't see that either. The Cubs will make a push for him to do so I'm sure, but Rosenthal sounds pretty certain that Dempster is at least going to hear other offers.

Coming off a career year like this, and with starting pitching being so thin, it would make sense for him. Dempster's last contract was three years, $15.5MM. Coming off a season like 2008, he can get more in one year than he did over the last three seasons combined probably.

I think the Braves, Dodgers, Cubs, and Mets will all be talking to Dempster quite a bit. The Yankees could inquire too, but I see them focusing more on a combination Burnett, Sabathia, Pettitte, and Mussina.

If your going to spend money on Perez, why not just pay Dempster?

Cubs sign Perez is a very slim chance. Perez will be in a Mets uniform next year.

Dempster can go away. Braves need to trade for Maggs. Sign Lowe and Wolf, unless Tigers would pay some of Maggs contracts, then go after Dempster.

Yankees won't give him the $15 to $17 million/year that he wants.

Anyone else think that the Jays should pursue him to replace Burnett?

Jays are going to resign Burnett for about the same amount Dempster is going to get.

Dynasty,

No one said he was signing with the Yankees. And at any rate, in this case, the Yankees make sense as a suitor. I see Dempster staying in the NL, but the Yankees' rotation is up in the air next year, and they have the money to spend.

I don't see what's so angering about hearing them as a possibility in this case.

You'll hear them as a suitor for almost every decent FA starting pitcher most likely, because the only current locks for their 2009 rotation are Joba Chamberlain and Chien Ming Wang, who's coming off a major injury.

Besides, it's not like we don't hear the Red Sox mentioned in quite a few FA signing/trade scenarios.

If Dempster really doesn't intend to resign with the Cubs before the 13th, he won't take a hometown discount. He'll hit the open market to drive up the price. If I were Hendry and I couldn't get Dempster for $24M-$42M over 2-3 years, then let him walk. Try to trade for Peavy.

Dempster proved in the playoffs he's not an ace and he doesn't deserve ace money. The Cubs should let him walk and sign or trade for a true ace.

Even if we don't get Peavy our rotation will still be.

1) Zambrano
2) Harden
3) Lilly
4) Marquis
5) Marshall/Samardzija/Hill(hopefully)/Gaudin/Guzman

Nobody mentions the Blue Jays. They want Canadian content and if the Jays lose out on Burnett, they could sign Dempster who should be slightly cheaper than Burnett.

"The Orioles would be absolute morons if they didn't at least try to make an offer."

There is a rumor, although allegedly it has has been shot down by numerous sources, that there is a 9% chance that Peter Angelos is not a moron.

Forgive me if I am repaeating any or everybody else as I have not read all of the comments, but man this can sure damper or outright drive down the rates on the other blue-chip FA pitchers.....

Ryan D. was H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E in the playoffs. He does not deserve ace money! Let him walk and try to get Peavy or look into getting somebody else.

how about letting dempster walk and picking up brad penny? penny is a better pitcher coming off an injury so his option will probably be declined, use the money you save to sign rafael furcal(speedy) or orlando hudson(high obp) it makes sense

... because a game in the playoffs is how we should judge Dempster - not the 30+ starts he made in the regular season.

With Dempster's history and age I would think a 3/40 deal would be fair for everyone. He is certainly worth more than Silva but I don't think that will be the standard people use. Silva was an awful decision the moment the ink dried. Other GM's won't look at that as the standard.

Keep in mind, the Cubs will only be saving about 5 mil on Payroll as that's all Dempster made last season. They won't be signing Furcal for 5 mil. If they let him (Dempster)walk the payroll still has to go up considerably to sign a Furcal.

''If your going to spend money on Perez, why not just pay Dempster?''
Perez is younger and will probably have a better Dempster this season coming up.''


''Cubs sign Perez is a very slim chance. Perez will be in a Mets uniform next year''

Probably. You never know though, if the money is right he will. No one knew the Tori Hunter was going to sign with the Angels, but he inked a deal that he liked with a unsuspected team.

Dempster is going to look at Ted Lilly's 4/40 contract and say "I deserve at LEAST that much money and at LEAST that many years. They're a similar age and last season Dempster proved he's a better pitcher. I'd say 4/60 isn't unreasonable but 4/45-55 seems more likely. And I think he WILL take a home town discount provided he gets at least 4 years.

***Perez will have a better year then Dempster***

JRD actually you are wrong... The Cubs were the leaders to sign furcal but hendry tried to put somthing in his contract about his little drinking habit that his netted him multiple DUI's... dodgers were a surprise... Dempster will be a Cub... Wood will be a Cub...

BlueCatuli,

Furcal had two DUI's, which one was when he was with the Braves, and one with the Dodgers. Dempster will be a Dodger, and Wood will be a Cub.

I think Demp still will sign with the Cubs, this is a scare tactic by his agent to make sure he gets the most out of Hendry even if it is at a slight discount to what he could get on the open market. For the poster who thinks Demp goes to the Dodgers for 4/45 or 50... I couldn't see why Hendry would not match that and Demp would perfer to stay in Chicago. Demp made 5.5 Million last year and with Howry and Eyer off the books, and hopefully Marquis getting moved, the money should be there. Hendry doesn't have to come up with the 12-14 millions a year, Demp was already making significant money so Hendry only needs to squeeze a little more out of the budget to keep him.

The reason I posted that Dempster will end up in LA is because Dodgers have the funds to pay him, and Cubs don't. They have to choose between Dempster or Woods.

JRD,

The Cubs were well ahead of the Braves to sign Furcal before the last deal. The dodgers came in with a higher salary, lower year offer at the last minute, and he took it. Hendry thought he was pretty much a Cub at that point, which I think is why he pulled the trigger to quickly to save face and get Pierre to lead off, giving up Nolasco and Mitre, whom I like.

"They have to choose between Dempster or Woods."

Is that Tiger Woods you are talkinga about? I'm kidding...but I think they can keep em both, but will have trouble signing an impact bat if they do.

I won't be that upset if he walks and they take the two draft picks...but it will make me nervous.

Dempster stays a Cub. However, I'm not crazy about the guy. He had one excellent year.

The Braves put in nearly no effort at all in trying to re-sign Furcal... as they did in trying to re-sign Andruw Jones last year. It became a bidding war between the Cubs and the Dodgers. The Dodgers won because they offered slightly more per year with fewer years involved. They also provided Furcal with an "out clause". According to reports at the time, Furcal was minutes away from accepting the Cubs' deal when the Dodgers sweetened their offer to him.

As far as long-term contracts at this point, the only guys that are signed beyond next season are: Lee (through 2010 - 2 years), Lilly (through 2010 - 2 years), ARam (through 2011/option 2012 - 3/4 years), Soriano (through 2014 - 6 years), Zambo (through 2012/option for 2013 - 4/5 years). All the other "long-termers" are guys who have fewer than 4 full seasons under their belt. To me, I see 3 guys there with long-term contracts.

I don't mind seeing Dempster walk, but only if he's replaced with something worthwhile. I do not think he's worth what he will demand after having a career year. I do not think he will repeat that career year. I do think he'll be a fine piece of the rotation to keep around, but I think it'll be around what Lilly provides. I'd much rather prefer to have Peavy, Lowe, Burnett, or Sabathia (won't happen). At this point, I may even prefer Sheets over Dempster. Sheets has shown he can stay fairly healthy the past couple of years... and he's a better pitcher than all but Sabathia and Peavy listed here when healthy.

Hill, with his latest outing in Winter Ball (3 2/3 IP with 4BB and 2 ER) he's still showing his command and control are an issue. Until he can get things under control, he will have no trade value... and no value to the Cubs overall. IF he can get his control back together, then he should be in the rotation... not on the trading block if at all possible.

Michael M

This is not Dempsters first great year. He was an all-star in '03 (I think that was the year with Florida).

Dempster will have another steller year with Chicago. Everyone just wait and see.

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