Giants Considering Top Players

If San Fran signs CC I'd consider moving north and marrying Sabean, even though I no longer can legally do so.

I no longer take the "serious interest" in each other or the "mutual interest" serious anymore.

anybody willing to reconsider howard for cain?

Yeah. That is all the Giants need, more expensive contracts.

I should add an upgrade for the life of the contract. Not just a year or two when is come to the free agents. Unless of coarse the free agent is only signed for a year or two.

If they don't sign Furcal or Teixeira, I'd rather the Giants not get much of anything for the infield -- and they certainly do not need another outfielder. They may not have names, but Winn and Lewis are strong, I think Rowand will rebound some, because he'll have learned you can't force it at this ballpark, you just have to go for the gaps, and we need to see what Schierholtz can do. Furcal would be a big plus. If they can get him for 3 years and $30 or $33 million, they should.

And people wonder why the Giants are one of the most poorly ran franchises in baseball ...

What in the world will Tex bring to the team? Another handful of wins. Wow - the team can go from winning 72 games to winning 77. For my $90m that just isn't enough performance.

The Giants must rebuild. That means no more big FA contracts. They should be looking at moving Molina, Rowand and Winn right now. They need to seriously look at moving Cain and/or Lincecum.

well actually Buster Posey will be in his first year, do you not understand that he will not need one year of professional ball and be a starting everyday C. He could come in june or so 2010, and then can share time with Varitek and also learn from him how to handle a MLB pitching staff.

What part of rebuilding means tearing down? "They need to seriously look at moving Cain and/or LIncecum"? You drank the crazy juice.

I'm not big on Tex, and I don't think the Giants have any hopes of getting him, because he'll want five or six years, but the Giants aren't a small market team. Their payroll was $30 or $40 million more just a few years ago. By signing a big bat at first, they could expect a home-run a week from that guy, strengthen their bench, add to their infield depth, and move Sandoval to third. I'd rather see Furcal settle in at short -- a position that the Giants can't fill within the organization, at least not adequately. As is, the Giants are already contenders for the NL West. The way they played the last month, with the new talent contributing, the rookies taking over, put them far ahead of where they were earlier in the year. And everyone else is selling or losing a load of talent. If the Giants signed Furcal, they'd be favorites for the division.

here is my problem with trading Cain! What do you see as a need for this team that can get in a fair return? I can put Furcal at SS, or O-cab...Can sign Manny, Dunn, Ibanez for OF depth. Have Sandoval, Gillespie for Corner IF positions.

Am I going to get a stud 2B worth Cain? Nick Noonan will suffice

Posey in the pipeline for mid 2010.

Am I trading Pitching for Unprove pitching?

Hey where's SFG? I had fun hearing spout out a lot of nonsense yesterday...lol

wow fa.ggot as.s yanksfan. I hope you stayed up late last night researching cause you need to

Dude...you were so outmatched yesterday. The best comment you made was the "Noah Lowry would've been an all-star if he wasn't injures last year statment". Predicting that a guy who in 3 full seasons, to my knowledge, has NEVER BEEN an all-star would've have had an all-star worthy season IF he PLAYED the season was the BEST/WORST comment I ever heard. Thanks a lot dude. PLEASE GIVE ME MORE!!!

here is my problem with trading Cain! What do you see as a need for this team that can get in a fair return? I can put Furcal at SS, or O-cab...Can sign Manny, Dunn, Ibanez for OF depth. Have Sandoval, Gillespie for Corner IF positions.

Exactly when was the report that the Giants were increasing their payroll by 70-75 million PER year because I missed that one.

"Dude...you were so outmatched yesterday. The best comment you made was the "Noah Lowry would've been an all-star if he wasn't injures last year statment". Predicting that a guy who in 3 full seasons, to my knowledge, has NEVER BEEN an all-star would've have had an all-star worthy season IF he PLAYED the season was the BEST/WORST comment I ever heard. Thanks a lot dude. PLEASE GIVE ME MORE!!!"

HAHAHAHAH

you know what?

That's ALMOST as ludicrous as hyping Melky Cabrera as a starting center fielder with upside.

Kenan and Kel:

Haha I'll give you that. Right your saying that because no one wanted to trade for Melky during the winter of 07-08 right? Haha...

And of course a 24 year old guy can't turn things around after a bad year?

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Giants Interested In Melky Cabrera

By Tim Dierkes [May 5, 2007 at 10:22pm CST]

According to Peter Gammons in his blog, the Giants are considering shopping a starting pitcher. Not only do they have Tim Lincecum debuting tomorrow, but Jonathan Sanchez was raised mostly as a starter and hasn't worked out in the bullpen so far.

Gammons says the Giants would target a young position player, and they like Melky Cabrera of the Yankees. He does not think the Yankees would be interested in a Cabrera for Noah Lowry swap. If it was the Lowry of 2005, it would be a different story. But the southpaw seems to have lost his strikeout rate at age 26.

The Giants could also peddle Matt Morris, who's 4-1 with a 3.20 ERA. This is probably the high point of Morris's season, so shopping him makes sense. The Orioles are one of several teams in need of an innings eater.

or...

Melky Cabrera To Braves?
By Tim Dierkes [December 16, 2006 at 11:16am CST]
Ken Davidoff of Newsday has amended yesterday's Melky for Mike Gonzalez rumor. The latest one is Melky Cabrera to Atlanta, Mike Gonzalez to the Yankees, and Adam LaRoche to Pittsburgh. See, everyone's happy. Melky could handle LF for the Braves in 2007 and then switch to center after that.

Davidoff mentions that such a deal could pave the way for one more year of Bernie Williams. Not sure if the Bucs could get more, but I think snagging LaRoche and his 35 HR potential would be a fine return. LaRoche would still have three years of service time under the Pirates' control. The team could return to contention in 2008 if the young pitchers come along.

Haha...and you what else is funny, we won 17 more games than you.

Also, you know what else is funny?

Sidney Ponson and Darrel Rasner gaves us more wins and fewer losses combined (13-15) @ 1.4 mill total as opposed to Zito who you paid $15 mil for a 10-17 record.

Clearly some of you are hung over from Friday night becuase some of these comments are way out there.

And to all SF fans, let me apologize. I actually like some of the players on your team and admire your young pitchers like Lincey, Cain and Sanchez but this guy SFG is a little snot who invaded a board on the Yanks and CC and began making rants on how bad a team we are and how we are the reason all is wrong in the world when in fact each huge contract signing a smaller market team makes that turns out to be a bad deal (see Zito, Hampton, Schmidt, Silva, Washburn, etc) sets a precedent for the REAL top pitchers like Santana, CC, Peavy, etc the following years. The only guy that we've signed to a lenghty big money contract in recent years was Mussina when we signed him to that 6 yr/88 mil deal and he deserved it and earned it.

The Giants need to sign Furcal, 10 mil could end up being a bargain and they have nothing coming up in the system at shortstop. That leaves room to sign a couple solid relief pitchers and then it would be worth it to make a trade for Adrian Beltre who costs a reasonble 12 mil and hes still only going to be like 30 years old for the season. I'm not sure what it would take but the M's need OF and Winn ($9) would fit with a couple solid prospects not even including Sanchez /Bum /Alderson. That keeps the rotation intact and brings in two big bats while making the left side of the infield one of the better ones in baseball. Look at what Beltre did in his last contract year in the NL. Then let him go at the end of the season and get a couple draft picks and hopefully Gillaspie, or Villalona or someone is almost ready.

Why the f--k are the Giants interested in Furcal? Seriously. They need to be rebuilding. Trade Winn, bring up Schierholtz.

He will NOT be coming at 10MM/yr. Trust me. There are enough teams in the bidding for Furcal that that will not be happening, even that team down the Bay will be bidding if Brian Sabean/Ned Colletti/someone else doesn't decide to offer him four years.

SFG55 wrote:

Don't you find it ridiculous that the Yankees are in the running for... EVERYONE.

They plan on offering contracts to
Sabathia
Burnett
Lowe
Teixeira

Now they want Peavy too??

When most teams make a big signing its like the biggest news, everyone's excited..

When the Yankees sign someone, its like.. yawn Sabathia.. yawn Peavy..

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I don't think that any realistic Yankee fan expects them to field a rotation line up that includes:

CC, Burnett, Lowe, Peavy and Tex.

CC and one of the 3 other pitchers definetly possible. Tex I think will be a good possibility if his price comes down to earth. However, if it does come down then I think it makes it more likely for him to return to the Angels. I seriously think that's why Swish was picked up. Gives us a solution for 09 and in winter of 09 we can look at picking up Andy LaRoche and moving Swish to LF or keep Swish at 1B and go after a corner OF. I think it was a really good forward thinking move made by Cash.

As far as Peavy is concerned I seriously think Cash wouldn't want to part with whatever Towers would demand. I think he happens if and only if CC falls thru. I would love the Yanks to go with:

CC
Wang
Oliver Perez/Burnett
Joba
Hughes

If we cant get either Perez or Burnett I'd rather bring back Mussina or Pettite rather than signing Lowe. If we go with a staff of CC, Wang, Perez, Joba and Hughes that gives us a staff with every pitcher under 30 and under control for the next 3 to 4 years.

1B-Tex
2B-Cano
SS-Jeter
3B-Arod
LF-Damon
CF-Melky/Gardner
RF-Nady
DH-Matsui
C-Posada

That happens and our payroll would not increase past this years amount.

$80 mil off replaced by CC @ $25, Tex @ $22, Burnett/Perez @ $15-$17 mil and Swish's $5 mil. That's $69 mil. With $11 mil left to possibly put towards Man-NY......just kidding.

And in winter of 09 we will lose another $25 mil off the books when we let Damon and matsui walk. Then Arod, Jeter and Posada will be our only position players over 30.

I really think the Giants should spring for a big bat. The west is very week now that you have the Padres and Rockies rebuilding and the Dbacks not really doing much. I think with the Giants pitching a couple of bats (Abreu, Dunn or Tex) could make a difference.

1B- TEX
2B- HUDSON
SS-BURRIS
3B-SANDOVAL
C-MOLINA
LF-LEWIS
CF-ROWAND
RF-WINN

Would you guys consider trading Molina (since there's a lack of C available) moving Sandoval to C and maybe going after a guy like Beltre? You can probably pick up something good for Molina.

The pitching staff is strong with:

Lincey
Cain
Sanchez
Lowry (if healthy)
Zito (if you can squeeze 12 wins out of him that would be a blessing).

Mayve even look at a guy like Randy Johnson, Pedro martinez or Randy Wolf to give a little more vet leadership and depth to the rotation?

the giants could be very dangerous with a CC.

lincecum
cc
cain
zito - wooooo!
lowry/i honestly cant think of their pitching

thats pretty darn good

if cain puts up more mediocre numbers next year i think it might be time to say hes another just good arm in the league.

but the only way they make a push for the 85 win marker is with 2 fresh bats in the lineup.

the dodgers and dbacks have to much talent not to battle for that division

themanagement

thanks i saw him pitch a couple times this year. i think they go with someone a bit more seasoned

I See the Giants signing C.C. Sabathia, then trading Cain to atlanta for Yunel Escobar, (Moving Buriss to second) Gorkys Hernandez (outfielder)and both Blaine Boyer and Charlie Morton (Two major league ready pitchers. My only problem with this is the number of left handed starters we'd have.

Ok I realize that you're not the person that shot down my proposal of Howard for Cain but you're proposal from the Braves (the 4th best shortstop in the NL East (worst if you think Christian Guzman is better which is debatable) a PROSPECT and two middling pitchers. OR the person who has a shot tomorrow to have won 2 of the last 3 MVP's and puts up offensive statistics rivaled by AROD and Babe Ruth and not many others. To me that's silly.

If you want to argue that you'll need more than that and balance I could be persuaded to agree with that, but as far as pure impact, Howard would have much more impact.

Daveinexile,

I agree with the don't overspend on the biggest names. By all accounts championships aren't built on the big signings in the beginning of free agency. Its the later, strategic moves that usually end up paying dividends. I know (Thome/David Bell) or Lidge trade. I know which one I prefer now.

Someone earlier suggested bringing in Furcal and Manny and Dunn and Ibanez. First off there is no way that all would happen.

PhilsChamps: On the Furcal, Manny, etc pie in the sky thing. I think the biggest reason for this kind of talk is for the last 30-40 years if the Giants are making noise its because the have good offense and defense. The arms are usually serviceable at best with 1-2 having stand out years. It’s the model a sizable chunk of Giants fans are use to.

SFG: What you are saying is basically he got the Matt Cain offense support. And the 30 year old vet folded under the pressure. Not trying to hate on He Who Shall Not Be Named as much as give outsiders an idea why Cain is so well regarded by the Giants fans.

With C.C. the Giants would have by far the best 1-2 in the game. I doubt they pull that trigger but I would enjoy seeing that.

PhilsWSchamps: I would no doubt take Howard straight up for Cain. He, Dunn and Fielder(who I guess they turned down as well) have the most power in the league. They are three guys who I believe would not have to worry about a power outage. Any one of the three would get the guys around them better pitches, and make them better, in essence making the team a hell of a lot better.