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Griffey Drawing Interest

According to Jim Street of MLB.com, Ken Griffey Jr. is attracting lots of interest already.

Griffey's agent, Brian Goldberg, told Street that he has been in contact with nine teams regarding his client - six in the American League and three in the National League.  Keep in mind that Goldberg initiated contact with some of these teams.  All of this information was first reported by John Fay on Monday.

Goldberg said that Griffey, who's open to moving around, won't price himself out of a job and would consider a contract with incentives.

Goldberg said that Griffey is open to a one-year contract from "the right team in the right place."  The Mariners are one of the nine clubs, but Goldberg contacted them and the response was said to be "polite."


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I think the question with Griffey is not so much the contract or the incentives, but whether he is willing to take a reduction in the number of AB's. There may be 9 teams interested, but how many of those teams are willing to say they will give 500-600 AB's if he stays healthy?

How is Griffey drawing a lot of interest but Adam Dunn isn't?

"How is Griffey drawing a lot of interest but Adam Dunn isn't?"

Dunn = 164 K in 517 AB
Griffey = 89K in 490 AB

Hmm. My gander at the 9 teams. IMO, Griffey doesn't really make much sense for any team unless its as a DH/platoon DH for a team that needs help hitting righties (he's ineffective against lefties), or as a 4th OF/reserve type (that's where Red Sox comes in). Or, as a stopgap/symbolic type guy (that's where Mets comes in).

Not all of these teams would be smart ideas though.

NL: (Griffey to the NL makes no sense unless its as a 4th OF role)
Mets
Braves
Cubs

AL:
M's
Angels
Rays
Red Sox
White Sox (makes no sense, no open DH spot, although KW stupidly played him at CF in '08)
Rangers???

Oakland A's
Tampa Bay Rays
*Seattle Mariners*
Chicago White Sox
Toronto Blue Jays
Baltimore Orioles
Atlanta Braves
San Francisco Giants
Chicago Cubs

These are the teams i could see a fit with...
Keep in mind Baltimore wanted Griffey a couple of years ago and are accustomed to signing older veterans

Dunn is obviously worth a lot more than Griffey--cherrypicking K's is silly, A. But his cost is higher, both in money and draft picks (assuming no arbitration offer for Griffey). Griffey slots in better as a second tier player--a little outfield, a little DH.

Mets make sense but i dont know if Omar Minaya is willing to sign another aging outfielder like Griffey(even though i still really like Griffey) I think Omar is more comfortable seeing what Dan Murphy can do.

Baltimore has new management since that interest in Griffey a few years ago, and has five outfielders they like, and the best DH in baseball last year.

""How is Griffey drawing a lot of interest but Adam Dunn isn't?"

Dunn = 164 K in 517 AB
Griffey = 89K in 490 AB"


Seriously. An out is an out is an out.

1. No manager generally asks for a HR threat, like Dunn/Griffey, to bunt. If you have an offensive threat at the plate with runners on, he hits.

2. Yes, groundouts and flyouts might move runners ahead. Groundouts are also more likely to be turned into double plays.

3. The best thing a player can do in an AB is not make an out. Apparantly, with Dunn's .400+ OBP, he makes an out a lot less than someone who has much less K's, but a lower OBP.

The reason Griffey is drawing more interest than Adam Dunn is because he comes on a 1 year deal, while Dunn will probably garner a multiyear deal. The big sluggers (Dunn, Burrell, Abreu, etc.) will start garnering more interest once Teixeira and/or Manny are off the market.

Dunn also costs a hell of a lot more money than Griffey.

There is no way the Red Sox are interested in Griffey. They seem to want a right-handed bat off the bench for the outfielder and need a guy who can play all three positions reasonably well. Griffey is not that guy anymore.

Baltimore does have new management since that interest but the owner Peter Angelos the one who expressed interest in Griffey is still there. I call it as a long shot but it could happen.

Oakland A's
Tampa Bay Rays
*Seattle Mariners*
Chicago White Sox
Toronto Blue Jays
Baltimore Orioles
Atlanta Braves
San Francisco Giants
Chicago Cubs

"Dunn = 164 K in 517 AB
Griffey = 89K in 490 AB"

Are you a flippin' moron? Those numbers basically have nothing to do with production. Try looking at more relevant stats...
Dunn:
40 HR (5 straight years), 100 RBI, .898 OPS, healthy enough to play 158 games

Griffey:
18 HR, 71 RBI, .778 OPS, over the hill, always a health risk

I love the Kid, but unfortunately his days are numbered. He still puts butts in the seats though. His value would be highest in Seattle, but elsewhere he is barely a decent corner outfielder anymore.

sorry for double post

Seems like Griffey makes most sense to Seattle & Baltimore. I guess Atlanta could use him in LF. As a Braves fan, though, I'd rather not.

I suppose Baltimore could always be a long shot, but they are also lefty-heavy already. Markakis, Huff, and Scott are all left-handed. A right-handed platoon partner makes much more sense than Griffey, but Nolan Reimold might already provide that.

"There is no way the Red Sox are interested in Griffey. They seem to want a right-handed bat off the bench for the outfielder and need a guy who can play all three positions reasonably well. Griffey is not that guy anymore."

Why am I hearing Rocco Baldelli's name tied to the Red Sox then? Baldelli would be a much WORSE choice for the job you mention than Griffey. Only advantage Rocco has is that he's right handed.

Rolling Night Hawk-

See: Bedard trade, Tejada trade. Angelos is giving the GM more breathing room, and with those two trades, its paid off (major dividends in terms of farm system, down the road).

Griffey makes NO sense for Baltimore.

He does make sense for Baltimore... does he sign there? i dont think so thats why i have the quotes around the Mariners because in my opinion they are the favorites.
In USA Today:
Griffey mentioned his desire to "finish where he began" his career.

Junior Griffey would be a great fit in Tampa.

"Griffey makes NO sense for Baltimore."

Agreed.

1-2 years of Giambi------------------------------>Dunn's 4-5 year contract.

melonis rex,

You're far from the first person to make the mistake, and I think its mostly an overreaction to traditional baseball fans opinion on Dunn, but Dunn is definitely not a .400+ OBP guy. He had a .400 OBP exactly his first full season in the bigs and since then he hasn't even broken .390. Dunn does draw a ton of walks, but his terrible AVG keeps him from putting up great OBP numbers. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy for his power and eye, but his inability to hit for average and sub par defense definitely keep him from being a great player.

"Junior Griffey would be a great fit in Tampa."

I guessed Tampa as one of my 9 teams, but I don't really see a "fit" with the Rays. Yes, he takes Cliff Floyd's spot in the lineup. The Rays didn't need Cliff Floyd's production to get into the playoffs. Griffey can't hit lefties.Rays have about 15MM to spend, and primary needs are a OF/DH who can hit lefties and a LH reliever. If they spend 4-5MM on Griffey, that leaves 10MM to fill their primary needs. Unless the market takes a nosedive, that's not happening without some creative trading.

nixa37- My bad. .370-.380 OBP is still really, really good though. He's still top 20 in MLB in OBP, and puts up very strong OPS numbers.

What do you think about Griffey playing at Wrigley? He's still solid defensively(Not the same Griffey we once knew) and he is still an intimidating presence in the middle of a lineup(Not the same as he once was but he can still hit it out of the ballpark at any time). The Cubs lineup is very strong and they wouldn't need KJG to carrry that lineup. It's an experiment. Sign him up at a one year deal and see what happens. He would cost, what close to 4-5 million on a one year deal? Thoughts?

How is Griffey getting attention while the market for Coco Crisp was minimal? I'm a Sox fan (of the red variety) so I fail to see why Theo was only able to get Ramirez for Coco. Can somebody enlighten me?

Plus, the Cubs have two other very capable outfielders that can play right field and give Griffey breaks(Fukudome and DeRosa) Sorry for double posting....

Not all of these teams would be smart ideas though.

NL: (Griffey to the NL makes no sense unless its as a 4th OF role)
Mets
Braves
Cubs

AL:
M's
Angels
Rays
Red Sox
White Sox (makes no sense, no open DH spot, although KW stupidly played him at CF in '08)
Rangers???

The rangers makes no sense either they have depth in the of, with a few good prospects getting ready to come up. plus they a lefty heavy. imo TB make the most sense, they need a dh and he would fit perfectly into the lineup. i still think he finishes his career with seattle but i dont think this is his last year. i don't think the red sox make sense either they are trying to go younger and i think their efforts to improve the lineup focuses on texeira. the white sox and angels dont really seem like good fits either. and any nl team would likely want to platoon him. i think it comes down to tb or seattle

Eltiante34,

I don't know what you're talking about. Ramirez is still under team control for 4 more years, and he's a young reliever with a 127 ERA+ in over 150 ML IP. Considering that Coco is only signed for this season with an $8 million contract for 2010. I think the Red Sox clearly won that trade.

I have to admit, I know very little about Ramirez, but it seems to me that if all these clubs are interested in Griffey, why couldn't Theo generate a little more interest for Coco?

However I do agree with you after looking into Ramirez a little bit more.

1-2 years of Giambi------------------------------>Dunn's 4-5 year contract.

"Why am I hearing Rocco Baldelli's name tied to the Red Sox then? Baldelli would be a much WORSE choice for the job you mention than Griffey. Only advantage Rocco has is that he's right handed."

Lol @ hearing

Baldelli is still capable of above average defense at all 3 OF positions. Plus he's got some upside with his bat and he is right handed. Three things Griffey does not bring to the table.

Not that it matters but Rocco is also a hometown kid, grew up a Sox fan so there is that useless sentimental connection.

Hope Boston is not looking at griffey, his bat is not worth much anymore and several available have much better range and gloves like Kapler and Baldelli.

rays 09

1. A. Iwamura 2B
2. C. Crawford LF
3. B. Upton CF
4. E. Longoria 3B
5. K. Griffey Jr. DH
6. C. Pena 1B
7. D. Navarro C
8. J. Bartlett SS
9. F. Perez RF

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You don't necessarily look for upside from your backup positions unless you're playing a prospect. If someone gets hurt, you're in trouble.

Now, JD Drew isn't the pinnacle of health. If one of the Sox starters were to get hurt, Baldelli physically cannot play every day due to that disorder. That puts Jonathan Van Every or some other AAAA guy into the lineup alternating starts with Rocco. And that's really good...for the rest of the AL East.

How much is Junior going to want for a year? Is it cheap enough for the Dbacks? They need a left handed power hitter.

arod13- Fernando Perez is best suited as the 4th OF/defensive sub/pinch runner type. Unless there's an absolute masher at DH (Giambi, Bradley, Dunn, etc.), Perez shouldn't be the primary starter in RF.

Hence why its smarter for the Rays to go after a Dunn/Burrell/Giambi/Bradley (depending on cost, of course), than it is for them to go after Griffey, who can't hit lefties.

"How much is Junior going to want for a year? Is it cheap enough for the Dbacks? They need a left handed power hitter."


I'd say 4-5, with incentives. I think DBacks could pull that off.

It would be best for Griffey's legacy if he would just retire. There are AAAA type minor leaguers that can put up the numbers that Griffey is capable now.

Griffey is a .250-.260 15 homer 65 RBI type player now, and thats if he plays around 140 games.

If the Rays can pick up Griffey it'd be a great pick up...They can use him as a DH and he'd get a chance to a World Series and he also lives in Florida so theres another reason he'd quickly sign with the Rays.

"If the Rays can pick up Griffey it'd be a great pick up...They can use him as a DH and he'd get a chance to a World Series and he also lives in Florida so theres another reason he'd quickly sign with the Rays."

It's about what the team wants, not what Griffey wants. The Rays can hit RHP just fine; they need more offensive power against those lefties. Griffey's OPS against lefties is a measly .649. Hell, Justin Ruggiano or someone else from AAA Durham could hit lefties at that clip for the league minimum.

I'd imagine the Rays could find much better options for DH than Griffey. Yeah, at one point Griffey was great, but at this point he is nothing more than an average to below average RF. If you put him at DH, well you're really just wasting that money as its not very hard to find a guy who can DH and post an OPS+ of around 100

"2. Yes, groundouts and flyouts might move runners ahead. Groundouts are also more likely to be turned into double plays."

K's are worse than groundouts and flyouts. That has been shown time and again.

"3. The best thing a player can do in an AB is not make an out. Apparantly, with Dunn's .400+ OBP, he makes an out a lot less than someone who has much less K's, but a lower OBP."

Even the nerdy Earl Weavers in Oakland admit that K's are the out most harmful to a team that exists. Also, Dunn doesn't put up a .400 OBP because his AVG sucks just so badly.

"Griffey is a .250-.260 15 homer 65 RBI type player now, and thats if he plays around 140 games."

Junior's 2007 was hardly that type of year. It isn't impossible, or even completely improbable that he has another year like that, which would be well above average and a bargain at what he is likely to earn. Remember too that Junior's history means he holds a ton of marketing clout, which means he is instantly worth more than a comparatively paid player in revenue.

I could actually see the Dodgers signing him to play LF if they hold to this garbage about not paying Manny.

I think that the Mariners are waiting for Raul's decision before diving headlong into Griffey discussions. But the fact is that Raul is not coming back. That said, the Mariners have major questions surrounding 2 outfield spots. And seeing how Ichiro should be back in CF in 2009, that would leave holes/questions in LF, RF and DH. That combined with the lack of depth in the upper minors, this is the perfect time for Griffey to come back to Seattle. The fans need something to come to the park for.

If he wants playing time he better go to the Mariners. If Raul leaves that leaves Ichiro as the only real outfielder.

Exactly.

If he signs with the Mariners, he would get a full time spot in LF or RF mixed with DHing. If he wants to sign with a contender going after a title, he better be content with being a part time player.

"

You don't necessarily look for upside from your backup positions unless you're playing a prospect. If someone gets hurt, you're in trouble.

Now, JD Drew isn't the pinnacle of health. If one of the Sox starters were to get hurt, Baldelli physically cannot play every day due to that disorder. That puts Jonathan Van Every or some other AAAA guy into the lineup alternating starts with Rocco. And that's really good...for the rest of the AL East."

At this stage of Griffey's career, I'd take Gabe Kapler any day over griffey, he can still field and hits some also and his knees are not about to fall off either, PLUS he hits right handed which is what Boston is looking for in a 4th OF position.

That's cute also in the post above with griffey hitting 5th in a Rays lineup.. Henske will give more quality plate appearances and at a far lower salary.

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