Hoffman, Padres Reach Impasse

i just can't see hoffman pitching anywhere other than san diego

Weren't the Indians willing to break the bank for Hoffman 2 years ago? Sign him, trade for Gregg, and you get a couple of ok options, the other could be a passable set up man.

So sad...very sad. I am not happy. Not at all. I guess now I have to really rethink my season tickets...

I am just guessing...but doesn't this kind of signal:

1. Peavy will certianly be traded for whatever package is the best. There is NO turning back now, if there ever were before.

2. They will try and trade Giles again, maybe unsuccessfully.

3. They might as well go all out and put Adrian on the market...he would also bring back a TON from the Yanks, Angels, or a team that is going for Tex and misses out. He is certainly the next best thing.

I don't think adrian will traded this offseason. Even though he does have a lot of value after this season, I could see them waiting one more season, and then trading him when Banks will be ready.

Will Detroit pursue Hoffman?

He wouldn't be a bad fit on the Mets...

I would think that the Mets would be a perfect fit...well maybe not perfect but certainly better than shelling out upwards of $50mil for K-Rod. Hoffman will only cost $4-5mil and hopefully the rest of the bullpen can learn from one of the best.

Pads fans won't want to hear this but, this guy is totally overrated. He never gets in done in a big spot....never. Sure he's had some great regular seasons, but come the big game, he's got nothing. Sure fire HOF'er, but if you really watched his career you'd see he's not as good as many believe.

I never was a fan of the guy. But there is no doubt he was a great closer. I mean, he is the all time leader in saves. It's kinda sad the Padres are showing no class at all. But in a way, they're also doing him a favor because chances are, he's not gonna be getting much save opportunities on that team. Going to another team would give him the chance to distance himself from Mo saves wise. To do that though, he has to stay in the NL........in a pitchers park!

OK cubby fan, tell me one time u remember him getting a huge save when it counted??? Just one?? I can think of countless saves he blew in big/pressure spots. ASG a few years ago, 1998 WS against the Yanks, just this past year when Maddux was going for his 350th win Hoffman blew it for him twice in a row. Over the course of a full season his numbers will look pretty good, but you have to really watch him to see what I'm talking about. Overrated.

''OK cubby fan, tell me one time u remember him getting a huge save when it counted??? Just one?? I can think of countless saves he blew in big/pressure spots. ASG a few years ago, 1998 WS against the Yanks, just this past year when Maddux was going for his 350th win Hoffman blew it for him twice in a row. Over the course of a full season his numbers will look pretty good, but you have to really watch him to see what I'm talking about. Overrated.''

I do agree with this one point, regardless of what Hoffman's accomplishments have been. He's been a great closer but I can say there's been a huge difference between him and Mariano Rivera throughout the past decade and change in that Hoffman never gets the big out. If you want recent events, how about the triple to Tony Gwynn Jr. in Game 162 in '07 and then the three runs he gave up against Colorado to lose the play-in game?

Anyone who denies that Hoffman has always been a terrible big game pitcher just doesn't watch baseball. That being said, he's a great april-august closer who will be in the HOF one day. But I would stay away from Hoffman, the last thing the Mets need is another 40 year old. I'd rather give the big money to K-Rod, who can become a principal member of the team for years to come.

"OK cubby fan, tell me one time u remember him getting a huge save when it counted???"

That is an idiotic thing to base a player evaluation off of. He has a 3 ERA in the playoffs with 7 saves. I guess those weren't big or anything. *rolls eyes*

"Anyone who denies that Hoffman has always been a terrible big game pitcher just doesn't watch baseball. That being said, he's a great april-august closer who will be in the HOF one day."

The last three years his ERA in September is 1.08. I guess that is not very good. I would suggest you watch some more baseball. Also, his April ERA in the last three years is 4.97. This has about as much to do with his overall success as any of the other points you had (nothing).

"But I would stay away from Hoffman, the last thing the Mets need is another 40 year old. I'd rather give the big money to K-Rod, who can become a principal member of the team for years to come."

You would stay away from Hoffman and your solution is to give more of it and on multiple years to... K-Rod?

*sigh*

I think using a 'z' in your username instead of an 's' automatically drops your IQ 35 points.

Is it really crunch time in san diego?

Cubby, you make a well founded fact based defense of Hoffman, but I believe there is one error in it. He has 4 career post season saves, not 7.

"Just because he ERA lowers from March- September, it doesnt mean he is a big game closer. September doesnt mean October! So just because his ERA is lower in September, it doesnt mean he is clutch."

He had 1 2/3 bad innings in 1996 giving up 3 runs. Past that, his postseason ERAs have been 2.89 (1998), 0.00 (2005), 0.00 (2006). Four saves in that span. Not sure how that's not "clutch" if that exists.

Also, for people like you who believe in clutch, I'm pretty sure would also believe September games mean more (even though they don't). You can't pick and choose your cases here. The guy's ERA is statistically better the later months of the season. You're telling me that you don't think that's important or those are high pressure games?

Cracks about the Cubs shows you can't make any other well founded argument. Try again.