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Hoffman, Padres Reach Impasse
5:02pm: Padres exec Sandy Alderson told MLB.com's Corey Brock he's perfectly willing to talk to Hoffman.
10:53am: The door is closed on both sides, according to Olney. Hoffman is upset with the Padres' handling of the situation.
TUESDAY, 8:00am: Hoffman's agent considers his client "the cream of the closers." The Indians are expected to be one interested party, according to Barry Bloom and Corey Brock of MLB.com. The Tigers at least inquired about some unknown players represented by the Beverly Hills Sports Council, possibly Hoffman. Jon Paul Morosi says he fits their profile.
MONDAY, 10:34pm: Olney is now more emphatic in saying Hoffman "will not return to the Padres for 2009."
10:01pm: Tom Krasovic says the Padres withdrew their $4MM offer.
9:32pm: According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Padres and legendary closer Trevor Hoffman have reached an impasse in contract negotiations. The team offered Hoffman $4MM plus incentives (perhaps with a club option for '10). Olney believes Hoffman's Padres career is over, "barring a dramatic turn in negotiations."
The Cardinals don't have Hoffman on the radar, but the Indians will give him a look.
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i just can't see hoffman pitching anywhere other than san diego
Posted by: loganjpatrick | November 10, 2008 at 09:33 PM
Make it official Padres that you apparently don't seem to know wth your doing and send the captain and one of the best players out with a slap across the face.
So pathetic, especially in light of the Peavy trade
Posted by: AnteaterPadre | November 10, 2008 at 09:36 PM
Weren't the Indians willing to break the bank for Hoffman 2 years ago? Sign him, trade for Gregg, and you get a couple of ok options, the other could be a passable set up man.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | November 10, 2008 at 09:40 PM
The Padres are going to use Mark Prior to close in '09.
Prior probably won't be able to pitch in '09, you say? He won't recover from all those operations and almost 3 years off? That's OK. The Padres won't be leading in any games going into the 9th inning anyway.
Record book prediction: The Padres break the '62 Mets record of 120 losses in '09. Then re-break that record again in 2010.
No Hoffman, No Peavy, No Giles (he'll be traded too), no Greene. Next on the chopping block (probably next year): Adrian - new 1st baseman to be: Kyle Blanks (the only legitimate prospect in the Padres farm system, outside of Matt Bush - ha, ha).
Now, if it could only be No Moores, No Alderson. I can wish, can't I?
The only good thing to come of this: seat selection like in the 70's when the Padres average turnout was about 3000. I get to sit right behind home plate again. That's if I could get myself motivated to go - not very likely right now.
Posted by: therblig | November 10, 2008 at 10:04 PM
So sad...very sad. I am not happy. Not at all. I guess now I have to really rethink my season tickets...
Posted by: AirmanSD | November 10, 2008 at 10:08 PM
"The Padres are going to use Mark Prior to close in '09."
Yeah, Padre fans will love hearing 'Hells Bells' when legendary wins/saves leader in 'towel drills' Prior walks in the game.
Posted by: studio179 | November 10, 2008 at 11:39 PM
I am just guessing...but doesn't this kind of signal:
1. Peavy will certianly be traded for whatever package is the best. There is NO turning back now, if there ever were before.
2. They will try and trade Giles again, maybe unsuccessfully.
3. They might as well go all out and put Adrian on the market...he would also bring back a TON from the Yanks, Angels, or a team that is going for Tex and misses out. He is certainly the next best thing.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 10, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Take him out of Petco and put him in the AL at this pont in his career and his ERA will be at least 5.00, how much is that worth? Don't know why the Inians would be interested.
Posted by: slashieboy | November 10, 2008 at 11:57 PM
I don't think adrian will traded this offseason. Even though he does have a lot of value after this season, I could see them waiting one more season, and then trading him when Banks will be ready.
Posted by: UCSDPadsFan | November 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Immediately I ask myself if this jumps Jose Ceda's stock up a few notches with Towers.
Since they're rebuilding they'd probably hold him back a year (or part of the year anyway) and let him pitch in AAA, but after that, there's a ready-made replacement for Hoffman.
Posted by: davearm | November 11, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Will Detroit pursue Hoffman?
Posted by: Calriver | November 11, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Don't worry, the Jets will sign him
Posted by: rizdak | November 11, 2008 at 12:57 AM
He wouldn't be a bad fit on the Mets...
Posted by: Hyro | November 11, 2008 at 01:26 AM
As a long time Padre watcher this is really a sad day. Hoffman is an all-time great for baseball and the San Diego community. He's second only to Tony.
I still think Hoffman can close and do a decent job. Just not sure he's going to land anything beyond $5m though. Maybe a $5m base with incentives would be reasonable.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 11, 2008 at 01:47 AM
I would think that the Mets would be a perfect fit...well maybe not perfect but certainly better than shelling out upwards of $50mil for K-Rod. Hoffman will only cost $4-5mil and hopefully the rest of the bullpen can learn from one of the best.
Posted by: Eltiante34 | November 11, 2008 at 07:38 AM
He would also be a good leader in the clubhouse for the younger players (not just the bullpen)
Posted by: Eltiante34 | November 11, 2008 at 07:38 AM
Pads fans won't want to hear this but, this guy is totally overrated. He never gets in done in a big spot....never. Sure he's had some great regular seasons, but come the big game, he's got nothing. Sure fire HOF'er, but if you really watched his career you'd see he's not as good as many believe.
Posted by: njbraves | November 11, 2008 at 08:06 AM
"Pads fans won't want to hear this but, this guy is totally overrated. He never gets in done in a big spot....never. Sure he's had some great regular seasons, but come the big game, he's got nothing. Sure fire HOF'er, but if you really watched his career you'd see he's not as good as many believe."
One of the dumbest statements I've read on these boards.
He had some great numbers last year besides the ERA. 9 walks and 46 K in 45 IP is someone I can use on my team if I'm a contender. HR need to come down a bit (tough leaving Petco) but the guy regardless is very capable of mid to high 3s ERA which is something a team like New York or St. Louis can definately use.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 11, 2008 at 08:51 AM
I never was a fan of the guy. But there is no doubt he was a great closer. I mean, he is the all time leader in saves. It's kinda sad the Padres are showing no class at all. But in a way, they're also doing him a favor because chances are, he's not gonna be getting much save opportunities on that team. Going to another team would give him the chance to distance himself from Mo saves wise. To do that though, he has to stay in the NL........in a pitchers park!
Posted by: jman120 | November 11, 2008 at 09:12 AM
Pretty pathetic that they are not at least offering him a meeting and explaining their reasoning.
As for the people who think he is a product of the stadium, his numbers were way better on the road last year than at home. He was also lights out in the second half. His stuff last year was also better than it had been in years, picking up a couple miles an hour as a result of offseason surgery.
Also Jose Ceda's stock does not go up, the Padres have arguably they best setup man in the national league in Heath Bell, and they will undoubtedly try and put him in the closer role.
Posted by: cwilli | November 11, 2008 at 09:34 AM
OK cubby fan, tell me one time u remember him getting a huge save when it counted??? Just one?? I can think of countless saves he blew in big/pressure spots. ASG a few years ago, 1998 WS against the Yanks, just this past year when Maddux was going for his 350th win Hoffman blew it for him twice in a row. Over the course of a full season his numbers will look pretty good, but you have to really watch him to see what I'm talking about. Overrated.
Posted by: njbraves | November 11, 2008 at 09:57 AM
Cubbyfan ur lost. The guy never gets it done in a bi/pressure spot. Overall numbers can be deceiving.
Posted by: njbraves | November 11, 2008 at 10:06 AM
''OK cubby fan, tell me one time u remember him getting a huge save when it counted??? Just one?? I can think of countless saves he blew in big/pressure spots. ASG a few years ago, 1998 WS against the Yanks, just this past year when Maddux was going for his 350th win Hoffman blew it for him twice in a row. Over the course of a full season his numbers will look pretty good, but you have to really watch him to see what I'm talking about. Overrated.''
I do agree with this one point, regardless of what Hoffman's accomplishments have been. He's been a great closer but I can say there's been a huge difference between him and Mariano Rivera throughout the past decade and change in that Hoffman never gets the big out. If you want recent events, how about the triple to Tony Gwynn Jr. in Game 162 in '07 and then the three runs he gave up against Colorado to lose the play-in game?
Posted by: MattyMets | November 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Go get him Omar. Trevor Hoffman for 1 year at 6 million? Or K-Rod for 4 years at 60 million? I will go with choice 'A' on that one.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 11, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Anyone who denies that Hoffman has always been a terrible big game pitcher just doesn't watch baseball. That being said, he's a great april-august closer who will be in the HOF one day. But I would stay away from Hoffman, the last thing the Mets need is another 40 year old. I'd rather give the big money to K-Rod, who can become a principal member of the team for years to come.
Posted by: metzfan22 | November 11, 2008 at 05:21 PM
And the Padres are a s_hitty franchise.
Posted by: metzfan22 | November 11, 2008 at 05:22 PM
"OK cubby fan, tell me one time u remember him getting a huge save when it counted???"
That is an idiotic thing to base a player evaluation off of. He has a 3 ERA in the playoffs with 7 saves. I guess those weren't big or anything. *rolls eyes*
"Anyone who denies that Hoffman has always been a terrible big game pitcher just doesn't watch baseball. That being said, he's a great april-august closer who will be in the HOF one day."
The last three years his ERA in September is 1.08. I guess that is not very good. I would suggest you watch some more baseball. Also, his April ERA in the last three years is 4.97. This has about as much to do with his overall success as any of the other points you had (nothing).
"But I would stay away from Hoffman, the last thing the Mets need is another 40 year old. I'd rather give the big money to K-Rod, who can become a principal member of the team for years to come."
You would stay away from Hoffman and your solution is to give more of it and on multiple years to... K-Rod?
*sigh*
I think using a 'z' in your username instead of an 's' automatically drops your IQ 35 points.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 11, 2008 at 06:01 PM
Heck, let's go a step further because I was lazy looking up three year splits.
ERA by month CAREER:
April: 3.09
May: 2.20
June: 3.60
July: 3.12
August: 2.57
September: 1.80
As you can see, when it gets to "crunch time" his numbers are better than any other month (and his August numbers are better than anything but May). But yes, he must be a terrible big game closer. He is probably getting a bunch of pointless saves in September like ARod has pointless non-clutch homeruns! [/sarcasm]
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 11, 2008 at 06:05 PM
Is it really crunch time in san diego?
Posted by: SkiBolton | November 11, 2008 at 06:26 PM
Just because he ERA lowers from March- September, it doesnt mean he is a big game closer. September doesnt mean October! So just because his ERA is lower in September, it doesnt mean he is clutch. The last thing the Cubs and their fans should be talking about is being clutch because theyve only choked for the past 100 years. Hoffman should just retire already. He's just playing so he can try to get more saves so Mo wont have a chance to catch up.
Posted by: jman120 | November 11, 2008 at 06:35 PM
Cubby, you make a well founded fact based defense of Hoffman, but I believe there is one error in it. He has 4 career post season saves, not 7.
Posted by: GravediggerHebner | November 11, 2008 at 06:39 PM
I like how blowing an all star game save, one save in the world series against one the best teams in history, and a single blown save against the Brewers makes people think he is not clutch. He has saved division clinching games, he has saved NLCS, ALCS games.
Posted by: cwilli | November 11, 2008 at 07:32 PM
"Just because he ERA lowers from March- September, it doesnt mean he is a big game closer. September doesnt mean October! So just because his ERA is lower in September, it doesnt mean he is clutch."
He had 1 2/3 bad innings in 1996 giving up 3 runs. Past that, his postseason ERAs have been 2.89 (1998), 0.00 (2005), 0.00 (2006). Four saves in that span. Not sure how that's not "clutch" if that exists.
Also, for people like you who believe in clutch, I'm pretty sure would also believe September games mean more (even though they don't). You can't pick and choose your cases here. The guy's ERA is statistically better the later months of the season. You're telling me that you don't think that's important or those are high pressure games?
Cracks about the Cubs shows you can't make any other well founded argument. Try again.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | November 11, 2008 at 10:21 PM
like i said, later months of the season does not mean anything. by september, a team could be way out of the playoff chase already. as for "cracks about the cubs shows you cant make any other founded argument", if u think thats stupid, how about "I think using a 'z' in your username instead of an 's' automatically drops your IQ 35 points"?
Posted by: jman120 | November 12, 2008 at 02:55 PM