Jake Peavy Rumors: Monday

Aside from the Cubs and the Braves, I wonder if the Yankees would try to go hard after Peavy if they can't sign Aj, CC, or Lowe. What's your thoughts out there?

I still don't understand HOW the Cubs remain a player in a Peavy trade. Three team deals have happened before, but how could the Cubs get more value from another team and then turn right around and trade that to the Padres.

Makes little, if any sense at all.

The no-trade clause situation is ridiculous. Why would the Braves go that far along in negotiations with The Pads if they were going to let the no-trade get in the way of the deal. I don't really get why the Cubs feel this is what they need to get over the hump. They got knocked out of the playoffs because they couldn't hit or play D, not because they couldn't pitch. Still think in the long run, Braves get it done.

"The Cubs with Peavy are the team to beat in the NL next year."

You Cubs fans say that every-year though it NEVER happens. Even with good players you'll never win another World Series. Enough said.

"The Cubs with Peavy are the team to beat in the NL next year."

...and the team to disappoint in the playoffs...

spieg7 & zephyr8
The cubs will have 2 eventually win the world series and 2 say it will never happen is rediculous.

"do you guys still think Towers will be able to get a comparable bounty if he does move Peavy in the future? Serious question...not trying to put down Towers or anything"

And a good question. I've been thinking this myself. Obviously Peavy must be traded now to obtain the highest value. Towers is either:
1) using this NTC and Cubs stuff to try to get braves to reopen conversation and up their offer.(doubt it would work)
2)thinking that he can deal peavy at Allstar break to a contender for a bounty. (i doubt he would get more.

I dont think either of these are his real intentions because they are sad strategies. The highest value will be obtained now and I dont see an offer comparable to the braves opening up.
I think Towers is waiting for the braves to reopen conversations instead of doing it himself. If he crawls back he would probably end up getting less, so he wants Wren to inquire again instead.

"spieg7 & zephyr8
The cubs will have 2 eventually win the world series and 2 say it will never happen is rediculous."

I didnt say it would never happen. With the Cubs putting out a big payroll and a stacked team every year, I am surprised it hasnt happened these last 5 years.

03 was the best shot they had in my lifetime

Yeah it is stupid the cubs very well can lose without peavy.

"curse" not cure my bad lol

lol no offense zephyr
It would be nice to end this drought for all of baseball not just the cubs.
They have broke my heart too many times and I tired of all this BS drought and am starting to not even care anymore.

Geez I wish I knew if this is real or BS.
It is well known that the cubs dont need peavy anymore and they dont have the salery for him in the budget.

Steve Bartman is the one to blame.

"It is well known that the cubs dont need peavy anymore and they dont have the salery for him in the budget."

They don't have the budget for Giles either, but they exercised his option.

Every single team would want Brian Giles he is going to get a great hull when they trade him, maybe the Cubs could look into that, because Towers will be shot on opening day at PETCO if Peavy is a Cub and their isn't a third team involved....

Nixa, I don't think Towers overplayed his hand, but I wish he wouldn't be as willing to air things out in the media - that definitely doesn't do any good. Not sure if he would get more for Peavy at the trade deadline, I think it could go either way.

I do know that, as a Padre fan, I'm thrilled he didn't accept the reported offer. I'd much rather take my chances that there will be a better market later. Peavy for a good (not great) young SS, a 4/5 starter, a very young CF with high upside/low-ish probability, and a garbage bullpen arm isn't good enough, IMO.

I don't think they have to trade him now.

"Nixa, I don't think Towers overplayed his hand, but I wish he wouldn't be as willing to air things out in the media - that definitely doesn't do any good. Not sure if he would get more for Peavy at the trade deadline, I think it could go either way."

The problem is that Peavy's no trade clause is never going to go away though. That's the biggest issue with his value, because it's tough to set a high price when the market consists of 5-8 teams.

I just wish the cubs would get this done.Peavy would be a heck op a pick up. i mean who could be the thrid team? I mean who would fit nice in there and get this deal done? the marlins,Who knows i just wish the cubs get Peavy and sign Griffey for a one year contract. what do you guys think.? Griffey at wrigley with lou May get him going.

The Marlins wouldn't make any sense as the third team. The whole third team concept basically implies that the Cubs would trade Josh Vitters to a third team, and then trade what they got in return to SD as part of a Peavy package.

In that case, the Marlins likely would have no interest in Vitters, as they already have a big time upside 3B in the minors in Matt Dominguez.

Finding this 3rd team seems very difficult. I mean dont you think the Cubs would have come up with something by now. Their last real chance is the winter meetings.

Who does Tampa want from Chicago though? With Longoria entrenched at 3B, Vitters doesn't seem like the best fit there.

They have said that Vitters could play first base too...

I still always come back to the conclusion that Matt Cain could be a fit. I dont know if Vitters would get him straighg up but they could work out a deal.

"I still always come back to the conclusion that Matt Cain could be a fit. I dont know if Vitters would get him straighg up but they could work out a deal."

I really doubt it straight up. Sadly he probably has a higher price tag than Jake Peavy.

Whoa.

Josh Vitters is worth WAYY more than Radhames Liz.

Liz will already be 26 next season and although he has good stuff, he still has a career ERA of 6.77 in 109 innings.

Vitters is one of the best pure hitting prospects in baseball, and an elite prospect overal. He would cost an equally elite pitching prospect.

How about Tillman, Matusz or Arrieta for Vitters?

If the Cubs could somehow get Cain, then you stick, and wish Towers/Peavy good luck.

If you get Cain, you just keep him and the rest of the guys. Sanchez would be a legit possibility though from San Fran.

I think as a Cubs fan I'd rather keep Vitters and actually see what happens and what we need at the deadline. Start Pie in CF and platoon him with Johnson, and let Fukudome stay in RF. Both he and Pie need to be given one more chance in a Cubs uni...and you can decide what to do at the deadline.

"The notion that the Marlins would have no interest in Vitters on the grounds that they already have Matt Dominguez is pretty silly.

Get the most talent into your system as you can, and sort out positions later... in this case, years later."

It'd be assumed that the Marlins would be trading a prospect of similar caliber to Vittesr to Chicago, something like Vitters for Andrew Miller.

In that case, the Marlins aren't bulking up their system, but rather just switching the position of their talent.

Probably, but the braves offer is still more appealing to the pads. So theyre using that offer as a standard for other offers.

"While Escobar might not be a "great" young SS, a strong argument can be made that he will be the 3rd most valuable SS over the next 5 years, behind only Ramirez and Reyes. Obviously he's not in the same class as those two, but he is certainly very promising."

Not quite. He won't even be the 3rd most valuable in his own division when you consider Rollins. Off the top of my head I'll add in Furcal, Tulo and maybe Hardy and/or Drew.

But that's beside the point. The point is the Pads need to be sure to get at least one real impact player in return, and I don't see it in that offer.

Fair point with Boyer, however I've seen him throw enough to have formed a poor opinion, regardless of the results.

Also, let's not point to others on here as evidence that the trade offer was fair. This place is loaded with delusional fans, on both sides.

Scribbletone, the NTC WILL go away in 2 years (or start to - I think he can veto 12 teams then and only 8 the next year). Now, obviously the Pads don't want to wait that long, but you better believe that is in the back of Peavy and Axelrod's minds. Also, given his salary numbers, the Pads CAN afford him the next couple years. Its when the salary climbs to around $15M that they would be forced to dump him. Basically, I think Peavy will loosen his demands as this thing draws out.

At this point I'm hoping they wait until the right offer is presented, even if that means waiting til next season, or even offseason.

towers is an idiot for not taking the trade from the braves....it'll be the best deal he is offered.

I have to agree with CptTopOff, who has well summarized most SD fans' thinking.

I've discussed numerous times why we thought this offer was sub-par. You're trading a guy who had won 2 K titles and 2 ERA titles then a Cy Young by the time he was 26 for an above average SS, a CF prospect and a 4/5 at best.

Ultimately, you can discuss the quality of the offer all you want, but I think where the Braves failed is addressing what Towers wanted. He's said from day one that he wants good young pitching in return for Peavy, and Atlanta offers a SS and a CF prospect.

It's like going to a dealership to buy a sports car, and having the sales guy talk you into an SUV. You can talk about the quality of the SUV all you want, but that's not why you went to the dealership in the first place.

And all this talk about Towers overplaying his hand is nonsense. No one can say for sure that the Braves' offer is the best he'll get. I mean, the winter meetings haven't even happened yet. It's still months till the deadline. Don't you guys think it's a little early to judge the situation?

I always thought that the real market for Jake would begin once the big FA's were off the market, and that teams seeing what it costs to sign a big time FA in 2009(especially Boras clients) would turn to Peavy as a more reasonable option. None of that has happened yet. Once again, too early to tell.

However, you can't tell me that Jake's contract at 5 years and 71 million (this is with the 22 million option being picked up in 2013 as he'd probably request that) isn't a more attractive option than CC's reported 6 years, 140 million or Burnett/Lowe wanting somewhere in the region of 5 years/80-85 million. Even if he costs good prospects, he's way cheaper than CC and at least as good, not to mention younger. And he's even cheaper than Lowe or Burnett and much better.

If those guys get anywhere near what they're asking for, you can bet the market for Jake will pick up.

johns-

Towers could go and talk to Boston or LAA all he wants. That still doesn't mean Peavy will wave his FULL NTC to play for one of those teams. Towers could get a super amazing package, where Boston is over paying BIG TIME, and Peavy might not wave his NTC. So, it's not crazy to say that Towers will accept the sub-par offers from the Braves and Cubs.

Also regarding the ridiculous Mark Teahen rumors (yeah I'm sure the middle of the order left handed bat the Cubs desire is Mark Teahen!)

"Continued stirring over the weekend of the Mark Teahen-to-the-Cubs trade rumors continue to ring of hollow speculation, with no signs from either side of any movement. The Cubs' plans to increase Mike Fontenot's role and the value of Sean Marshall in their pitching plans make those players too steep a price for Teahen."

Absolutely right. Both Mike Fontenot and Sean Marshall by themselves have more value than Mark Teahen.

Source: Chicago-Sun-Times

The Braves are being silly right now. Instead of taking the sure route and at the expense of a few prospects get Peavy, the would rather go out into the wild free agent pool with the Angels, Sox and Yanks and over pay for a walking injury report in Burnett, who will be over valued by about 8 million bucks, and the hitters best freind and over all around hitting tee Paul Byrd. Way to go Braves!

"Towers could go and talk to Boston or LAA all he wants. That still doesn't mean Peavy will wave his FULL NTC to play for one of those teams. Towers could get a super amazing package, where Boston is over paying BIG TIME, and Peavy might not wave his NTC. So, it's not crazy to say that Towers will accept the sub-par offers from the Braves and Cubs."

It is the leverage of getting more prospects from NL teams 9Cubs/braves/Dodgers etc..) more than anything Cubs4ever, not that i am saying, or even wanting him myself in Boston for 2 or 3 of the prospects i mentioned above. Once Towers can bring a team into negotiations that has top prospects that he dearly needs, the teams will be more willing to up the offer, it is classic negotiations and what towers needs. especially so with Boston and to a lesser scale with the Angels if Kendrick can be brought out as a possible trading chip. Once a Bucholz and Bard could be brought out however, I have a feeling that the Braves pitching could be virtually unlocked if the Braves want to have any chance at acquiring Peavy at all and it is made known that peavy would ok a trade to Boston (hopefully Boston would not do the trade however).